Would traks with no whoops make closer racing?

Ace Dudemeister 2/13/2022 11:51am
2/13/2022 11:51am
TXDirt wrote:
Invert gate picks for main would be way better. Look at last night. Anderson holeshot not a single pass for the lead. Almost same thing in...
Invert gate picks for main would be way better. Look at last night. Anderson holeshot not a single pass for the lead. Almost same thing in 250s also.

Toooo much importance on the first 75 feet of the race. We then had practically zero passing going on for next 20 minutes.
I agree with your comment on holeshots determining the race from the start being somewhat boring. But, if leaders are penalized in the name of competition with inverted gate picks I will lose interest in the sport.

I would agree with randomly assigned gate picks.

I also think that it would be interesting if racers started off facing each other like jousting and raced to the first corner. Of course the race would probably end at the first corner too.
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Because the whoops made the racing good last night? NOPE, it was a snooze fest and the WORST racing of the season so far. All that did was INJURE several riders. Not saying get rid of but a honest balance between technical and not overly obscene.
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Flatliner wrote:
https://youtu.be/rg-J-bz5whc

I’ll just leave this here. From 20 years ago.
I have watched this vid many times, but still can‘t believe how that MFer jumps into blitzing those big ass whoops at the end of clip… mind boggling!!!
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Flatliner wrote:
https://youtu.be/rg-J-bz5whc

I’ll just leave this here. From 20 years ago.
#434 wrote:
I have watched this vid many times, but still can‘t believe how that MFer jumps into blitzing those big ass whoops at the end of clip...
I have watched this vid many times, but still can‘t believe how that MFer jumps into blitzing those big ass whoops at the end of clip… mind boggling!!!
And with no run in…..
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every riders does the same jumps and same turns.. the whoops are the only thing still separating riders.
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TXDirt 2/13/2022 3:18pm
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TXDirt wrote:
Invert gate picks for main would be way better. Look at last night. Anderson holeshot not a single pass for the lead. Almost same thing in...
Invert gate picks for main would be way better. Look at last night. Anderson holeshot not a single pass for the lead. Almost same thing in 250s also.

Toooo much importance on the first 75 feet of the race. We then had practically zero passing going on for next 20 minutes.
Ace Dudemeister wrote:
I agree with your comment on holeshots determining the race from the start being somewhat boring. But, if leaders are penalized in the name of competition...
I agree with your comment on holeshots determining the race from the start being somewhat boring. But, if leaders are penalized in the name of competition with inverted gate picks I will lose interest in the sport.

I would agree with randomly assigned gate picks.

I also think that it would be interesting if racers started off facing each other like jousting and raced to the first corner. Of course the race would probably end at the first corner too.
That’s how the draft order is determined and no one complains.

It’s not about being penalized. Stop making the first 75 feet the determining factor in a race. It’s like 90% of the race done in 3 seconds.

Needs changing up big time.
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MPJC 2/13/2022 3:23pm
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You could make an argument that tracks are too easy and too dangerous at the same time. The flow and rhythm that most riders can carry on a track with so little room for error increases risk. I remember when tracks were rough and gnarly all over to disrupt rhythm and keep speeds lower. Daytona 1986 is the perfect example. Would love to see how today’s riders would deal with a track like that. All that being said, I’ve loved the racing this year.
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FI2T 2/13/2022 3:27pm
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CPR wrote:
I’m okay with occasionally having a track without whoops, BUT only if they’re replaced by a mogul section.
I like the mogul idea!! Add a snow section with moguls, followed by a sand section and keep the whoops!!

I can't believe this is a topic... Supercross without whoops? Sounds real wrong
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Radical 2/13/2022 3:54pm
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I love whoops! I wish I could still find them at local tracks.
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MPJC wrote:
You could make an argument that tracks are too easy and too dangerous at the same time. The flow and rhythm that most riders can carry...
You could make an argument that tracks are too easy and too dangerous at the same time. The flow and rhythm that most riders can carry on a track with so little room for error increases risk. I remember when tracks were rough and gnarly all over to disrupt rhythm and keep speeds lower. Daytona 1986 is the perfect example. Would love to see how today’s riders would deal with a track like that. All that being said, I’ve loved the racing this year.
Last night was my least favorite track so far but I still didn't dislike it. I'm really enjoying the tracks and the racing this year.
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Bradshaw Fan 2/13/2022 5:15pm
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Stewyeww wrote:
Alright what's everyone think? Whoops are a staple of SX and aren't going anywhere but would racing be closer without them? Also after some heated discussion...
Alright what's everyone think? Whoops are a staple of SX and aren't going anywhere but would racing be closer without them?

Also after some heated discussion between a few members, are the whoops the section of track that the most injuries come from and if not what obstacle do you think causes the most injuries?

Is this a #letsgopaul thread? Supercross without whoops? what's the point ?
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mb60 2/13/2022 5:46pm
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Watching the 250 west region ride them has become painful to watch. Hard to believe that as much as these guys ride sx practice and you get this. Hard off to Craig as he has mastered the whoop section.
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Shred 2/13/2022 5:55pm
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see...I was thinking make the whole track whoops except for bowl turns into the next section of whoops......
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Shred 2/13/2022 6:28pm
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Here we go!! Updated Minneapolis track release. Dirt Works...call me.





Sweet dreams Coop and Roger....
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Ake89 2/13/2022 8:18pm
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Adios whoops I want side by side racing all the way into the turn
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Phillip_Lamb 2/13/2022 8:39pm
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Stewyeww wrote:
Alright what's everyone think? Whoops are a staple of SX and aren't going anywhere but would racing be closer without them? Also after some heated discussion...
Alright what's everyone think? Whoops are a staple of SX and aren't going anywhere but would racing be closer without them?

Also after some heated discussion between a few members, are the whoops the section of track that the most injuries come from and if not what obstacle do you think causes the most injuries?

this has gone around since Mcgrath kicked everyones ass in the 90's.

Easy track means less passing as there isnt anything to seperate guys and its no exciting knowing the guys arent being challenged.

a hard track increases the risk factor and therefore injuries which seperate everyone's skill level and therefore the time gaps on them

either way the best guys will always end up out front.

the tracks have been good, and many of the crashes i've seen are rider error like Shimoda. as for the whoops eating everyone up, the last decade has seen progressively easier whoops with riders complaining theyre too easy and even pointing out the the whoops in AX were harder. Rider skill in the whoops is lacking, even Mookie who is known for his skill has been mediocre in them. If anything, a shorter whoop section would be good, the set from A3 and Pheonix were quite long
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Moto_Geek 2/13/2022 9:30pm
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Just here to down vote .. good night.
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Ace Dudemeister 2/13/2022 9:45pm
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TXDirt wrote:
Invert gate picks for main would be way better. Look at last night. Anderson holeshot not a single pass for the lead. Almost same thing in...
Invert gate picks for main would be way better. Look at last night. Anderson holeshot not a single pass for the lead. Almost same thing in 250s also.

Toooo much importance on the first 75 feet of the race. We then had practically zero passing going on for next 20 minutes.
Ace Dudemeister wrote:
I agree with your comment on holeshots determining the race from the start being somewhat boring. But, if leaders are penalized in the name of competition...
I agree with your comment on holeshots determining the race from the start being somewhat boring. But, if leaders are penalized in the name of competition with inverted gate picks I will lose interest in the sport.

I would agree with randomly assigned gate picks.

I also think that it would be interesting if racers started off facing each other like jousting and raced to the first corner. Of course the race would probably end at the first corner too.
TXDirt wrote:
That’s how the draft order is determined and no one complains. It’s not about being penalized. Stop making the first 75 feet the determining factor in...
That’s how the draft order is determined and no one complains.

It’s not about being penalized. Stop making the first 75 feet the determining factor in a race. It’s like 90% of the race done in 3 seconds.

Needs changing up big time.
If racers achieve high high qualification results, it is a penalty to reverse the main event starting order.

Racers may begin sandbagging during qualification events.
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SoCalMX70 2/13/2022 10:15pm
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Inverting gate picks?... HAHAHAHAHA... NO!

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motonation24 2/14/2022 4:15am
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Stewyeww wrote:
Alright what's everyone think? Whoops are a staple of SX and aren't going anywhere but would racing be closer without them? Also after some heated discussion...
Alright what's everyone think? Whoops are a staple of SX and aren't going anywhere but would racing be closer without them?

Also after some heated discussion between a few members, are the whoops the section of track that the most injuries come from and if not what obstacle do you think causes the most injuries?

Replace the whoops with tree logs and a mud pit at the end? Followed by a river crossing and a ring of fire..
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profeshenal125 2/14/2022 5:07am
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Shred wrote:
Here we go!! Updated Minneapolis track release. Dirt Works...call me. [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2022/02/13/533480/s1200_Minny_mod.jpg[/img] Sweet dreams Coop and Roger....
Here we go!! Updated Minneapolis track release. Dirt Works...call me.





Sweet dreams Coop and Roger....
Hell yeah , Looks like my Dream track
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decano51 wrote:
every riders does the same jumps and same turns.. the whoops are the only thing still separating riders.
No, people take turns faster and some stay lower on jumps and get better drive into the corner.
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TXDirt 2/14/2022 5:16am
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Ace Dudemeister wrote:
I agree with your comment on holeshots determining the race from the start being somewhat boring. But, if leaders are penalized in the name of competition...
I agree with your comment on holeshots determining the race from the start being somewhat boring. But, if leaders are penalized in the name of competition with inverted gate picks I will lose interest in the sport.

I would agree with randomly assigned gate picks.

I also think that it would be interesting if racers started off facing each other like jousting and raced to the first corner. Of course the race would probably end at the first corner too.
TXDirt wrote:
That’s how the draft order is determined and no one complains. It’s not about being penalized. Stop making the first 75 feet the determining factor in...
That’s how the draft order is determined and no one complains.

It’s not about being penalized. Stop making the first 75 feet the determining factor in a race. It’s like 90% of the race done in 3 seconds.

Needs changing up big time.
Ace Dudemeister wrote:
If racers achieve high high qualification results, it is a penalty to reverse the main event starting order.

Racers may begin sandbagging during qualification events.
You give out a few championship points in the qualifiers. Problem solved.
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blockhead17 2/14/2022 5:54am
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Shred wrote:
Here we go!! Updated Minneapolis track release. Dirt Works...call me. [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2022/02/13/533480/s1200_Minny_mod.jpg[/img] Sweet dreams Coop and Roger....
Here we go!! Updated Minneapolis track release. Dirt Works...call me.





Sweet dreams Coop and Roger....
Reed just came out of retirement..
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Shred wrote:
Here we go!! Updated Minneapolis track release. Dirt Works...call me. [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2022/02/13/533480/s1200_Minny_mod.jpg[/img] Sweet dreams Coop and Roger....
Here we go!! Updated Minneapolis track release. Dirt Works...call me.





Sweet dreams Coop and Roger....
blockhead17 wrote:
Reed just came out of retirement..
Sweet!! As long as he doesn’t sign with KTM.....

btw...do you like that I have whoops on the start straight? You thought it was mayhem into the first turn before....just wait till you see this!!!
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RJ videos...(I suggest people watch it)

People recalling Daytona '86...

Great thread.
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mx317 2/14/2022 11:04am
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Radical wrote:
I love whoops! I wish I could still find them at local tracks.
I don't think you have ever seen whoops like in pro supercross at a local track. I've ridden in a stadium on pro SX whoops back when the Earth's crust just cooled and they are tough! SX would not be SX without whoops, but they are going too far out there when so many are crashing in them.
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moto_on 2/14/2022 11:41am
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Stewyeww wrote:
Alright what's everyone think? Whoops are a staple of SX and aren't going anywhere but would racing be closer without them? Also after some heated discussion...
Alright what's everyone think? Whoops are a staple of SX and aren't going anywhere but would racing be closer without them?

Also after some heated discussion between a few members, are the whoops the section of track that the most injuries come from and if not what obstacle do you think causes the most injuries?

This post is just asking for trouble. Yes whoops are the most challenging obstacle on the track. What's your point?
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INeedaNewUsername 2/14/2022 1:33pm
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Yes, for sure bring back something like the old Ultracross series and trax. This way SxS complete with beer cooler racks can play too, cuz everybody can do this.

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