TRIUMPH Announces Coming Line Of MX and Enduro Bikes, Carmichael to Test

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At least this is mostly a proper Triumph.





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-MAVERICK- wrote:
Triumph guys at A2. [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2022/01/29/531098/s1200_272816631_1120178508744875_5744278520007518482_n.jpg[/img]
Triumph guys at A2.

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I've never felt so patriotic. The brits are coming.
And Bobby Hewitt was there too. Ironic that he was there when the triumph people were there
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Triumph guys at A2. [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2022/01/29/531098/s1200_272816631_1120178508744875_5744278520007518482_n.jpg[/img]
Triumph guys at A2.

https://youtu.be/pWPgUPL4N1s
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Since the announcement in July.. it looks like they've made it to the t-shirt stage!! Triumph is truly crushing it...... now, if they could just put out a bike (that nobody was asking for and the market needs like a hole in the head).....
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VicDaMoan03 2/1/2022 7:34am
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Was the old model Suzuki comment here just speculation or a valid rumor?
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gt80rider wrote:
Since the announcement in July.. it looks like they've made it to the t-shirt stage!! Triumph is truly crushing it...... now, if they could just put...
Since the announcement in July.. it looks like they've made it to the t-shirt stage!! Triumph is truly crushing it...... now, if they could just put out a bike (that nobody was asking for and the market needs like a hole in the head).....
Racing always needs more manufacturers so not sure what you mean by the market doesn't need it.
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VicDaMoan03 wrote:
Was the old model Suzuki comment here just speculation or a valid rumor?
Speculation. Just like it's speculation that its a badged Austrian bike.
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gt80rider wrote:
Since the announcement in July.. it looks like they've made it to the t-shirt stage!! Triumph is truly crushing it...... now, if they could just put...
Since the announcement in July.. it looks like they've made it to the t-shirt stage!! Triumph is truly crushing it...... now, if they could just put out a bike (that nobody was asking for and the market needs like a hole in the head).....
You are the biggest wet blanket on vital and it’s not particularly close. You have a problem with everything.
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VicDaMoan03 wrote:
Was the old model Suzuki comment here just speculation or a valid rumor?
Rumor was they were testing there chassis with a Suzuki motor in it. Whether they’ll use a Suzuki motor in production is anyone’s guess
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VicDaMoan03 wrote:
Was the old model Suzuki comment here just speculation or a valid rumor?
soggy wrote:
Rumor was they were testing there chassis with a Suzuki motor in it. Whether they’ll use a Suzuki motor in production is anyone’s guess
It was Suzuki frame and their motor?
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If you can test a chassis before the motor is ready, then you bolt what you can in... is the logic there I'd guess. Highly unlikely Triumph are gonna use an off the shelf engine in actual production.
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-MAVERICK- wrote:
Triumph guys at A2. [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2022/01/29/531098/s1200_272816631_1120178508744875_5744278520007518482_n.jpg[/img]
Triumph guys at A2.

Ahh progression! Now we are getting somewhere. Here comes the men in black!
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ACBailey89 2/1/2022 6:12pm
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Sounds like a slow process
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gt80rider wrote:
Since the announcement in July.. it looks like they've made it to the t-shirt stage!! Triumph is truly crushing it...... now, if they could just put...
Since the announcement in July.. it looks like they've made it to the t-shirt stage!! Triumph is truly crushing it...... now, if they could just put out a bike (that nobody was asking for and the market needs like a hole in the head).....
I might be the only one here that agrees with you. While a new bike would be cool, this is the worst time and market for one. This is not an industry running rampant with demand. An overcrowded market can be very bad for ALL manufacturers and thus customers. Splitting sales further is only going to reduce profits and thus reinvestment. So we get less innovation and potentially even the demise of an existing manufacturer. In this case, I see Triumph ultimately pulling the plug. The only question is how much time and money they burn before doing so. I think this is a horrendous decision by Triumph management.
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Jason XCmtb 2/2/2022 12:40am
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gt80rider wrote:
Since the announcement in July.. it looks like they've made it to the t-shirt stage!! Triumph is truly crushing it...... now, if they could just put...
Since the announcement in July.. it looks like they've made it to the t-shirt stage!! Triumph is truly crushing it...... now, if they could just put out a bike (that nobody was asking for and the market needs like a hole in the head).....
miserablebear wrote:
I might be the only one here that agrees with you. While a new bike would be cool, this is the worst time and market for...
I might be the only one here that agrees with you. While a new bike would be cool, this is the worst time and market for one. This is not an industry running rampant with demand. An overcrowded market can be very bad for ALL manufacturers and thus customers. Splitting sales further is only going to reduce profits and thus reinvestment. So we get less innovation and potentially even the demise of an existing manufacturer. In this case, I see Triumph ultimately pulling the plug. The only question is how much time and money they burn before doing so. I think this is a horrendous decision by Triumph management.
Yeah, because KTM have done reeeeally badly investing in the off-road market while the Japs took their eye off the ball..

The history of modern-era Triumph is one of research, careful planning, thoroughly tested products released in markets they've done their homework on. John Bloor isn't a guy for vanity projects.
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I heard Ryder D is who they are looking at as a rider
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nofearccracer 2/2/2022 9:48am
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VicDaMoan03 wrote:
Was the old model Suzuki comment here just speculation or a valid rumor?
soggy wrote:
Rumor was they were testing there chassis with a Suzuki motor in it. Whether they’ll use a Suzuki motor in production is anyone’s guess
Based on a recent interview, one of the high ups at Triumph America came from suzuki, so that makes sense why/where that connection came from.

Which motor is used in production will all depend on when production begins I'm sure, as rumor is they have their own engine in development but the chassis and rest of the bike is much closer to production ready. Will be up to them if they want to get it on the market to start racing and selling bikes using suzuki or someone else's motor, or hold off until the in house engine is ready as well.
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TeamGreen 2/2/2022 10:01am
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gt80rider wrote:
Since the announcement in July.. it looks like they've made it to the t-shirt stage!! Triumph is truly crushing it...... now, if they could just put...
Since the announcement in July.. it looks like they've made it to the t-shirt stage!! Triumph is truly crushing it...... now, if they could just put out a bike (that nobody was asking for and the market needs like a hole in the head).....
miserablebear wrote:
I might be the only one here that agrees with you. While a new bike would be cool, this is the worst time and market for...
I might be the only one here that agrees with you. While a new bike would be cool, this is the worst time and market for one. This is not an industry running rampant with demand. An overcrowded market can be very bad for ALL manufacturers and thus customers. Splitting sales further is only going to reduce profits and thus reinvestment. So we get less innovation and potentially even the demise of an existing manufacturer. In this case, I see Triumph ultimately pulling the plug. The only question is how much time and money they burn before doing so. I think this is a horrendous decision by Triumph management.
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Yeah, because KTM have done reeeeally badly investing in the off-road market while the Japs took their eye off the ball.. The history of modern-era Triumph...
Yeah, because KTM have done reeeeally badly investing in the off-road market while the Japs took their eye off the ball..

The history of modern-era Triumph is one of research, careful planning, thoroughly tested products released in markets they've done their homework on. John Bloor isn't a guy for vanity projects.
Yup

Seems to me…I’ve been reading about record sales numbers in the off-road and dual-sport segments, too. So, I’m really not getting how anyone that’s following the industry can say this is “bad timing”…?

Over the last few years, in addition to the brands that have historically been involved in the market, KTM has added GasGas (and that’s increased unit sales), Beta’s grown rather rapidly, various electric brands are selling plenty of units…like Zero, and now Triumph and the rumor mill says Harley is taking a look…so…

I think Triumph is doing this from a wise and informed position that’s based on brand awareness and development. Since the 90s, when Triumph really became a legit OEM/brand…again, they’ve made plenty of smart moves.
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ricky racer 2/2/2022 10:44am
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With all of the excitement and talk about electric motorcycles and the direction that the industry is heading, it seems like any new venture into any new motorcycle would likely be electric not gas powered. Not that I want to see that. I wonder if that could be partly what the talks with the AMA and Feld are about. Sooner or later they're going to have to allow e-bikes on the track.
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gt80rider wrote:
Since the announcement in July.. it looks like they've made it to the t-shirt stage!! Triumph is truly crushing it...... now, if they could just put...
Since the announcement in July.. it looks like they've made it to the t-shirt stage!! Triumph is truly crushing it...... now, if they could just put out a bike (that nobody was asking for and the market needs like a hole in the head).....
soggy wrote:
You are the biggest wet blanket on vital and it’s not particularly close. You have a problem with everything.
Believe that must be some kinda schtick he likes doing...very hard to be so consistently annoying.
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gt80rider wrote:
Since the announcement in July.. it looks like they've made it to the t-shirt stage!! Triumph is truly crushing it...... now, if they could just put...
Since the announcement in July.. it looks like they've made it to the t-shirt stage!! Triumph is truly crushing it...... now, if they could just put out a bike (that nobody was asking for and the market needs like a hole in the head).....
soggy wrote:
You are the biggest wet blanket on vital and it’s not particularly close. You have a problem with everything.
mooch wrote:
Believe that must be some kinda schtick he likes doing...very hard to be so consistently annoying.
Probably because he was bullied as a kid. He rode a gt80 you know…



I kid, I had a clapped out gt80 that I bought for $50 that I couldn’t keep running for shit.
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Bet they don't Cannondale it and try to reinvent the wheel,I mean engine and have consumers try to finish R&D, the be left with their dicks in hand.
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ricky racer wrote:
With all of the excitement and talk about electric motorcycles and the direction that the industry is heading, it seems like any new venture into any...
With all of the excitement and talk about electric motorcycles and the direction that the industry is heading, it seems like any new venture into any new motorcycle would likely be electric not gas powered. Not that I want to see that. I wonder if that could be partly what the talks with the AMA and Feld are about. Sooner or later they're going to have to allow e-bikes on the track.
If they were strictly focusing on the mx market that makes more sense, but I believe it's been said a few times that they're only going MX racing to legitimize/draw interest to their adventure bikes, and battery tech isn't there yet for an ADV bike application. IMO.
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ricky racer wrote:
With all of the excitement and talk about electric motorcycles and the direction that the industry is heading, it seems like any new venture into any...
With all of the excitement and talk about electric motorcycles and the direction that the industry is heading, it seems like any new venture into any new motorcycle would likely be electric not gas powered. Not that I want to see that. I wonder if that could be partly what the talks with the AMA and Feld are about. Sooner or later they're going to have to allow e-bikes on the track.
Agreed. Why invest with a totally new ICE bike when in a few years they may very well be on the way out?
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ricky racer wrote:
With all of the excitement and talk about electric motorcycles and the direction that the industry is heading, it seems like any new venture into any...
With all of the excitement and talk about electric motorcycles and the direction that the industry is heading, it seems like any new venture into any new motorcycle would likely be electric not gas powered. Not that I want to see that. I wonder if that could be partly what the talks with the AMA and Feld are about. Sooner or later they're going to have to allow e-bikes on the track.
wfopete wrote:
Agreed. Why invest with a totally new ICE bike when in a few years they may very well be on the way out?
I never understood why it has to be one or the other? what if they developed a bike with either option? i would guess weight would be an issue but maybe even a hybrid?
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KONG 2/3/2022 9:52am
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wfopete wrote:
Agreed. Why invest with a totally new ICE bike when in a few years they may very well be on the way out?
Cuz' they've got balls and stick to their guns?
So rare, these days...
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wfopete wrote:
Agreed. Why invest with a totally new ICE bike when in a few years they may very well be on the way out?
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Cuz' they've got balls and stick to their guns?
So rare, these days...
That and there's still 20 plus years of planned ICE production & use.

Kawasaki has stated they'll be all Electric by 2035...and, they'll be supporting their ICE products beyond that...or...do people think everyone is gonna STOP riding their "gas bikes"...?
Anyone around here got a 10, 15, 20, 25 y/o 2 stroke that still looks MINT...?
I do! Hell, one of mine is a '78! (Elsinore)

The "Electric Mandate" has just received a kick in the balls during COVID due to manufacturing/development/supply & schedule off-sets. Hell, Honda's Electric Baby is still running around in their old-gen's chassis. Have we actually seen Yamaha's...yet...? Kawasaki made their "All Electric Future" announcement, but, where's their 1st bike...?

And, let's be clear: I -AM NOT ANTI-ELECTRIC...it is coming. But, change ain't as quick as some of us think.


Also, some in here, even AFTER Triumph wrote this in their PR...

"Triumph Motorcycles is excited to announce that development is well underway on a comprehensive range of all-new competition Motocross and Enduro motorcycles. Joining our class-leading and globally renowned motorcycle range, this all-new competition MX and Enduro (Dual Sport) family will bring all of Triumph’s engineering expertise to riders and racers worldwide."

So, some in here are saying Triumph is "Going racing to promote their Adventure bikes"...?

Is it just me or didn't they say they're DEVELOPING "...a comprehensive range of all-new competition Motocross and Enduro motorcycles."...? To me, that sounds like an entire new range of dirt-bikes for track and trail that "...will bring all of Triumph’s engineering expertise to riders and racers worldwide."

I'm jus' sayin'...
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NOT the Dirt Bike range we are talking about here, but, a petrol station 'discovery' of what looks to be, pretty much undeniably, a "Baby Triumph ADVer:

https://youtu.be/1WwJtnv11Fk

As he ( the presenter, and other MC Talking Heads and Journos are saying) it looks to be the first fruits of Triumphs and Bajaj's deals / contracts.

People, This is where Big Money is to be made.

The Small, Rough Roads and Commuter bike sales. A successful entry into this side of the market, means Thousands upon Thousands of bike sales. The Economies of Scale make for Big Profits. And, in the Real, Mass Sales markets for Motorcycles today, not the 'West'. Most here, just can't seem to grasp the size of the sales in Asia, India / East Asia, Africa and South America. And the potential for growth in those markets. And, if just a few people in those markets, get the bug for More from a Motorcycle, sales of our types ( competition bikes ) of Toys, could get a hell of a boost.

I've done the 'Land Yacht' thing, and I get, each year to do some serious mileage on a mates much modified HP2 (not for the last 2 years, what with 'things', but, this year, hopefully) and that thing, is just Bloody Fantastic. But, ridiculous. But now, for my own use / ownership / moth filled wallet, I want a middle / below middle capacity 'Doof Doof' bike for trips. And this possible / probable Triumph, might fit the bill, though the 'to come' 500??cc KTM Twin might be more what I want.

Anyway, this 'Doof Doof' bike will probably upset a few here, but WTFC............

Still, awaiting real news on the 'real' (as many would say) Dirt Bikes from Triumph, Cripes it was only a few months ago they were mooted to be coming into existence, but from many criticisms, you'd think it was years.
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TeamGreen 2/4/2022 8:57am
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Bearuno wrote:
NOT the Dirt Bike range we are talking about here, but, a petrol station 'discovery' of what looks to be, pretty much undeniably, a "Baby Triumph...
NOT the Dirt Bike range we are talking about here, but, a petrol station 'discovery' of what looks to be, pretty much undeniably, a "Baby Triumph ADVer:

https://youtu.be/1WwJtnv11Fk

As he ( the presenter, and other MC Talking Heads and Journos are saying) it looks to be the first fruits of Triumphs and Bajaj's deals / contracts.

People, This is where Big Money is to be made.

The Small, Rough Roads and Commuter bike sales. A successful entry into this side of the market, means Thousands upon Thousands of bike sales. The Economies of Scale make for Big Profits. And, in the Real, Mass Sales markets for Motorcycles today, not the 'West'. Most here, just can't seem to grasp the size of the sales in Asia, India / East Asia, Africa and South America. And the potential for growth in those markets. And, if just a few people in those markets, get the bug for More from a Motorcycle, sales of our types ( competition bikes ) of Toys, could get a hell of a boost.

I've done the 'Land Yacht' thing, and I get, each year to do some serious mileage on a mates much modified HP2 (not for the last 2 years, what with 'things', but, this year, hopefully) and that thing, is just Bloody Fantastic. But, ridiculous. But now, for my own use / ownership / moth filled wallet, I want a middle / below middle capacity 'Doof Doof' bike for trips. And this possible / probable Triumph, might fit the bill, though the 'to come' 500??cc KTM Twin might be more what I want.

Anyway, this 'Doof Doof' bike will probably upset a few here, but WTFC............

Still, awaiting real news on the 'real' (as many would say) Dirt Bikes from Triumph, Cripes it was only a few months ago they were mooted to be coming into existence, but from many criticisms, you'd think it was years.
Great post.

Just picked up a coupl'a new 650s that fit the "Not quite a Land Yacht" segment that I really wanted for exploring The Eastern Sierras and Baja. I've convinced a few friends, via some fun rides, that this new "smaller ADV/Big Enduro" approach works.

Triumph has a pretty good history of exploring and excelling in the various segments they've gone in to. I wish them the best of luck and look forward to seeing them at the races.
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