STARK FUTURE VARG - An Electric Bike that is Faster and Lighter than a 450?

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The bike guy in me is super stoked to see this!!!

The cynic in me is always skeptical of lofty claims from a new player. But hey, if it lives up, then hell yeah!

Seems like Josh Hill's phone should be melting right now with people wanting to get the scoop. If it's that rad, Hill is probably insanely excited. Lindsey, get on it!!!
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JWACK 12/14/2021 10:57am
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So to extend riding time buy the 80hp model and detune it to 60hp in order to save some AH.
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I sent an inquiry about availability in Australia..they said it will be, they have a warehouse, 2 weeks shipping and no extra shcost added..
I will put my deposit down as soon as the website comes back up..
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SCRUBdesignz 12/14/2021 11:23am
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Great looking machine with some nice body and amazing features!


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I'm not sure I'd be an early adopter on the Stark Varg, but I am hoping that the Honda and Yamaha prototypes get the green light for production with this kick in the pants.
Would like the supply chain dependability of the major manufacturers, but if the Stark takes off and is shown to be a sustainable business that may change my mind.
I would think most of the engine would be very reliable, and the "consumables" chains/sprockets/brakes/wheels/suspension parts would be available third party - Dubya wheels, Renthal sprockets, Kayaba shock/fork parts. I just don't want to be stuck looking for parts instead of riding.
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Is there any information anywhere on front fork rake/angle and rear suspension? Also, is the battery pack switchable just like the KTM?

I love this, but at the same time I get some weird 'kickstarter' vibes, but of course we be cool if this is the real deal and it's a full on Motocrosser 250F '22 replacement Smile Very cool.

To boost sales even more, would it be possible to get a testrider from VitalMX to get to ride one hard at a known track? Fox Raceway, Glen Helen etc... If they would put down comparable lap time, sh*t... sales would go through the roof.

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mxridr 12/14/2021 11:34am
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time for honda, kawi, suz, ktm, etc to get their head out of their ass

These guys are showing what's possible.
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I'm not going to miss obnoxiously loud four stroke's a bit when electric bikes take over the sport. It will be great to talk with your friends at the races again with out shouting your lungs out. The only thing I'm going to miss is the sound of 40 perfectly tuned two strokes at the starting gate but that's already rare treat these days anyways
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FGR01 wrote:
charge lasts 1-moto? So, if I am racing 2 classes/4 motos..... I obviously don't have 1-2 hrs between every moto to sit there charging. So I...
charge lasts 1-moto?

So, if I am racing 2 classes/4 motos.....

I obviously don't have 1-2 hrs between every moto to sit there charging. So I suppose I buy 3 spare batteries at about $8K/each and do a massive bike tear down between every moto?

Oh, and we're going to have a sea of generators going all day long at MX races? That will be enjoyable. Now the noise is in the pits instead of on the track, Or are we going to expect track owners to install electrical supply and distro capable of charging all these bikes... when most MX tracks are in BFE where clean porta-shitters are too much to expect.

Sorry to buzz kill Bros, but electric bike might be a good option for training on your home tracks and that's about it. Stop all the "new dawn for the sport" talk.

Let's not forget, the California ban on gas powered tools also includes portable generators.
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How long are your motos and your skill level? They told me a full MXGP length moto with a top pro on it. So over 40...
How long are your motos and your skill level? They told me a full MXGP length moto with a top pro on it. So over 40 mins…as soon as the pace of the rider drops off the charge begins to increase significantly. We had a conversation that leaned towards most mid level riders being able to get somewhere between 1-3 hours out of a charge on moto. Depending on speed and the material being rode in.
In a typical moto day I will put 1-3 hrs on the bike. And, since I live in AZ and every track in the state is 3-4 hrs away from me, most of my track trips are 2-3 day affairs. In 2-3 days, that's a lot of riding on a bike that can go maybe 1hr on a charge at my pace/conditions (I assume the battery will not enjoy AZ 100+ heat). And I do not carry a generator with me. Gas jug is too easy.

I just don't see electric bikes having the stats to really make them viable en masse for the majority of MX riders. A stay at home bike for back yard riding to keep the neighbors happy, sure.
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Does anybody have any experience racing a gas motorcycle against an electric? I would be a little concerned that the quiet electric bike could sneak up on me and I would run the risk of colliding with somebody I don't know is there.
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Maybe silly...and I fooled myself haha Smile but still, something that always bothered me with the KTM E-XC was that every video was riding on 'gentle' jumps, either coming short on the tabletop, greasing a very small double but never really going race pace on a real MX track.... I bought it, got disappointed. Have to blame myself.

Would be great with this, to see videos of some 'known person' going hard on a known track, not 'having fun' but do what you do sometimes, case, mistime whoops, land hard flat, going big... will it take the abuse, is there any 'hidden not so great features'? ... why not give one to Axel Hodges on his playground and the other to Austin Forkner at at SX track... shoot video... success... and wallets will be opened big time Smile (including mine).

theycallmeebryan 12/14/2021 11:42am
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In a typical moto day I will put 1-3 hrs on the bike. And, since I live in AZ and every track in the state is...
In a typical moto day I will put 1-3 hrs on the bike. And, since I live in AZ and every track in the state is 3-4 hrs away from me, most of my track trips are 2-3 day affairs. In 2-3 days, that's a lot of riding on a bike that can go maybe 1hr on a charge at my pace/conditions (I assume the battery will not enjoy AZ 100+ heat). And I do not carry a generator with me. Gas jug is too easy.

I just don't see electric bikes having the stats to really make them viable en masse for the majority of MX riders. A stay at home bike for back yard riding to keep the neighbors happy, sure.
With all due respect, a "majority of MX riders" don't live in Arizona.
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mxridr wrote:
time for honda, kawi, suz, ktm, etc to get their head out of their ass

These guys are showing what's possible.
I don't think they're scared.

Honda announces 100% ‘electric’ sales by 2040

Kawasaki announces its motorcycles to go all-electric by 2035

KTM, HONDA & YAMAHA AGREE TO CREATE UNIVERSAL BATTERIES FOR ELECTRIC MOTORCYCLES

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ML512 wrote:
How long are your motos and your skill level? They told me a full MXGP length moto with a top pro on it. So over 40...
How long are your motos and your skill level? They told me a full MXGP length moto with a top pro on it. So over 40 mins…as soon as the pace of the rider drops off the charge begins to increase significantly. We had a conversation that leaned towards most mid level riders being able to get somewhere between 1-3 hours out of a charge on moto. Depending on speed and the material being rode in.
There is no way they can actually deliver 40 mins of motocross at a pro level with a 6 kwh battery, the math just doesn't work out. A 6kwh battery drained completely in 40 mins is averaging 9kw (6kwh/.666hours) or 12hp. I find it very hard to believe a pro motocross rider is only using 12 hp on average during an outdoor national... Also, the Alta had a 5.8 kwh battery and from what I've heard amateurs only get 30 mins or so of motocross riding out of a charge. Not saying this bike isn't cool or good for the sport but its unrealistic to believe that claim.
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I have to admit, as an Alta MXR owner im really impressed with the specs and cant wait to get one, however im a bit suspicious...
I have to admit, as an Alta MXR owner im really impressed with the specs and cant wait to get one, however im a bit suspicious of their claims and hope they are true.

The 6kWh pack is just 200watts larger than the 5.8kWh Alta MXR pack. The Alta MXR cant do a full 30+2 with a pro on it. Hell, depending on the speed of the track and the dirt type i can cook a full battery in about 20 minutes on my Alta MXR and im socal B class. So im really curious whether this bike will be able to last or not.

Regarding charging, it looks like they are using the same 3.3kW charger that Alta used. How fast a battery charges depends on the charging volts + amps, how thermally efficient the battery is, and of course the capacity. When you charge a battery fast it heats up the battery (just like your cellphone). I would expect 2 hours on 240v to recharge a completely dead battery, however yall should understand you dont usually drain the entire battery during a moto so charging events typically happen on a 2/3 depleted battery or so and charging times will be less in practice.

The ordering process for this bike is rad. Ive been screaming for oems to do this for years. You get to spec the bike how you want, and it will be delivered to you with suspension sprung for your weight.

Cant wait to get my hands on one!
For the greater good of the community we cannot allow you to tell people you're "socal B". Please remember 'vet B' and "socal B" are very different Laughing
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Lucifa12345 12/14/2021 11:55am
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I've spent thousands and thousands of $$ over the years buying gas to put into my bikes just to burn it out the back. Now I can just buy a couple of spare batteries and moto all day. Charge them up at home and go again the next day.

Fuck the oil companies.
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tjw401 wrote:
There is no way they can actually deliver 40 mins of motocross at a pro level with a 6 kwh battery, the math just doesn't work...
There is no way they can actually deliver 40 mins of motocross at a pro level with a 6 kwh battery, the math just doesn't work out. A 6kwh battery drained completely in 40 mins is averaging 9kw (6kwh/.666hours) or 12hp. I find it very hard to believe a pro motocross rider is only using 12 hp on average during an outdoor national... Also, the Alta had a 5.8 kwh battery and from what I've heard amateurs only get 30 mins or so of motocross riding out of a charge. Not saying this bike isn't cool or good for the sport but its unrealistic to believe that claim.
I agree. Tortelli is the head tester and gets 40 minutes. I don't think he's a slouch on a bike, but there's no way he's going AMA/MXGP pro pace.
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With all due respect, a "majority of MX riders" don't live in Arizona.
The AZ part is not really the key point. The majority of riders don't live in SoCal with a track 5 miles from their house. Most MX tracks are in BFE without an electrical infrastructure to charge a bunch of bikes. Most MX tracks are lucky if they can keep their power up enough to run a PA system. The super dooper awesome CA tracks are an anomaly in the grand scheme of MX tracks world wide.
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OldPro277 wrote:
Seriously ?? Dude ,did you even spend a couple minutes watching the vid ? Do you also suffer from other "premature" issues ????
Rosso391 wrote:
It's okay you have a little man complex and need to lash out. But BRO, the bike has so much more negative than positive compared to...
It's okay you have a little man complex and need to lash out. But BRO, the bike has so much more negative than positive compared to what we currently have. If its not actually better in at least 75% of the checklist, its irrellevant.
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At 6' 3"-- 215, I doubt that is my problem, lmao---- My issue with your comments , is that you obviously didn't even bother to watch...
At 6' 3"-- 215, I doubt that is my problem, lmao---- My issue with your comments , is that you obviously didn't even bother to watch the video (which is full of information) before you threw up your diatribe. The bike has an infinite amount of tunability ---including how much "engine braking" you can dial up, among many other attributes.

At least familiarize yourself with something before you bash it---particularly stating "problems" that aren't even there.. Makes you look a bit ridiculous
You left out how much you bench numbnuts. Give me a break. It's my opinion and you jumped on it like elon. Chill out snowflake. I watched the video, and I know its NOT going to be as good as it says. It never is. So go home snowflake. Stop being offended by everything.
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ATKpilot99 12/14/2021 12:10pm
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Does it have 80 hp at the rear wheel or the brochure ?
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Lucifa12345 wrote:
I've spent thousands and thousands of $$ over the years buying gas to put into my bikes just to burn it out the back. Now I...
I've spent thousands and thousands of $$ over the years buying gas to put into my bikes just to burn it out the back. Now I can just buy a couple of spare batteries and moto all day. Charge them up at home and go again the next day.

Fuck the oil companies.
psst. It still costs you money to charge....and those prices are going up cupcake. That fuel will be a lot cheaper. AND you're still burning 60%+ of fossil fuels to charge your RC bike..
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Rosso391 wrote:
(as i'm still laughing) oh my god...you guys really think this is the future? HA. 1-2 hour charge? i can refuel a bike in 20 seconds...
(as i'm still laughing) oh my god...you guys really think this is the future? HA. 1-2 hour charge? i can refuel a bike in 20 seconds or less and be on my way. 242 lbs?...it has to be lighter. Has to be able to change the power delivery. Have you guys never had a bar pad come off?, that "phone" they put there is going to fly off in a whoops section. Don't even get me started on the price tag, what a rip off. literally nothing is a positive. Nothing field proven, doesn't have engine sound. Doesn't have a clutch for throttle regulation, only twisting the throttle for response? give me a break.
*Dinosaur*

Hah! I'm still laughing, asteroid? That'll take 2-3 hours to get here, takes me 10 seconds to hide under this rock. Its not even very big! I can barely see it, a speck in the sky!
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JK BRO 12/14/2021 12:17pm
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Where's the 80hp dyno run? Did I miss that part

What about the part where they claim it's faster than a 450. Pretty sure the KTM 450excf was clocked at almost 123mph.

I must have missed the lap times too.
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Obviously to each his own whether you like it or an ICE motorcycle, but the E-Bike takes the motorcycling out of motorcycling as in no shifting or clutching. A different skill set or lose of skills to ride it. There is also something to be said for learning and having the ability to wrench on your bike, which builds upon skills that may be used in other facets.

Everyone has opinions and likes and dislikes and tastes for things neither right or wrong. New does not always mean better.
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Rosso391 12/14/2021 12:23pm
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ATKpilot99 wrote:
Does it have 80 hp at the rear wheel or the brochure ?
Those are make believe numbers until proven.
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The shrouds look too sharp and pointy. Are they trying to impale people with them? 😉
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Put my deposit down on a grey one with an 18” rear, foot brake, and of course the 80hp option!
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Christ...I just blew my load....four times! Im in! I need one bad...they gotta be available in Australia! I dont give a flying fuck about zero emissions...just...
Christ...I just blew my load....four times! Im in! I need one bad...they gotta be available in Australia!
I dont give a flying fuck about zero emissions...just pure bullshit!
The only emission I care about is noise..no noise!
This bike would change my life because I could have 2 totally awesome natural terrain tracks on the 120 acre farm where I live...there are 4 houses within a 600 metre radius, so I cannot ride my gas bikes here...
Get home from work early on a weekday..go cut laps! Dream come true!
Im signing up!
They make mufflers for that...
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Rosso391 12/14/2021 12:51pm
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PK97 wrote:
Obviously to each his own whether you like it or an ICE motorcycle, but the E-Bike takes the motorcycling out of motorcycling as in no shifting...
Obviously to each his own whether you like it or an ICE motorcycle, but the E-Bike takes the motorcycling out of motorcycling as in no shifting or clutching. A different skill set or lose of skills to ride it. There is also something to be said for learning and having the ability to wrench on your bike, which builds upon skills that may be used in other facets.

Everyone has opinions and likes and dislikes and tastes for things neither right or wrong. New does not always mean better.
THANK YOU.

I said it before. The only way anyone is going to ride this even for fun, is to have a transmission with a clutch. Otherwise no one will like how the power delivers. No one regulates their throttle control and knowing the right gear to be in just by twisting a linear powerband with your wrist. Its currently unnatural. Put a clutch and trans on one so people don't have to learn walmart style throttle control. There is zero finesse that way.
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