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Nelson 5/8/2021 9:24am
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So here’s my two cents about could have happened.

After Tomac not catching fire through the end of sx and if his deal wasn’t signed maybe they came back and low balled him? After all Kawi does have a track record with looking ahead at future riders coming down the PC pipeline.

Take James for example, yes it was well know his dad made things tough for the teams he was on but look what
at happened to him. 2007 sx title, injured for 08 sx then 24-0 outdoors that year and they didn’t even offer him a contract? Then again Villlo was coming up and presumed he’d be the future (and was).

I’m sure they’re banking on AC being future knowing Tomac’s best days are behind him. Maybe they put a guy like Anderson in his place for a season or two much like they did with Davi Millsaps and Chad Reed before getting ahold of Tomac?

Maybe they’re hoping that Fortner will turn out like AC on the 450 with some maturity? I’d say the two careers are kind of similar on the lites bikes. Plus they have McAdoo and Hammaker with tons of potential behind Forkner if they pan out.

Just my two cents

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tickleme20 5/8/2021 9:55am
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Nelson wrote:
So here’s my two cents about could have happened. After Tomac not catching fire through the end of sx and if his deal wasn’t signed maybe...
So here’s my two cents about could have happened.

After Tomac not catching fire through the end of sx and if his deal wasn’t signed maybe they came back and low balled him? After all Kawi does have a track record with looking ahead at future riders coming down the PC pipeline.

Take James for example, yes it was well know his dad made things tough for the teams he was on but look what
at happened to him. 2007 sx title, injured for 08 sx then 24-0 outdoors that year and they didn’t even offer him a contract? Then again Villlo was coming up and presumed he’d be the future (and was).

I’m sure they’re banking on AC being future knowing Tomac’s best days are behind him. Maybe they put a guy like Anderson in his place for a season or two much like they did with Davi Millsaps and Chad Reed before getting ahold of Tomac?

Maybe they’re hoping that Fortner will turn out like AC on the 450 with some maturity? I’d say the two careers are kind of similar on the lites bikes. Plus they have McAdoo and Hammaker with tons of potential behind Forkner if they pan out.

Just my two cents

Maybe they’re hoping that Forkner will turn out like AC on the 450 with some maturity? I’d say the two careers are kind of similar on the lites bikes.

Similar in raw performance only; Cianciarulo and Forkner are absolutely miles apart in maturity. Forkner is extremely emotionally volatile and prone to bonehead goon moves that cause him to unravel. He's got insane talent, but really needs to improve between the ears before he's ready to move up. Like, extensive therapy improve. It's troubling how many seasons he's riden like a hotheaded rookie.

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Think about how many dnfs that team has given him. Weird brake issues, engine let go leading red bud, double dnf in the mud, and more...
Think about how many dnfs that team has given him.

Weird brake issues, engine let go leading red bud, double dnf in the mud, and more I’m sure I’m forgetting.
280driver wrote:
How many DNFs that team gave him? That’s a reach! The brake issue was from a rock. The engine issues where from him pushing the engine...
How many DNFs that team gave him? That’s a reach! The brake issue was from a rock. The engine issues where from him pushing the engine and clutch to extremes in an effort to make up for mistakes he made. There is nothing wrong with that Kawi team.
tickleme20 wrote:
Ask Joey Savagty about that. I've never seen a rider so sabotaged by freak mechanicals as he was during his Kawi 450 stint, especially outdoors. It...
Ask Joey Savagty about that. I've never seen a rider so sabotaged by freak mechanicals as he was during his Kawi 450 stint, especially outdoors. It was ridiculous.
That’s just wrong. Go look at his DNFs. Each was due to bike issues caused by him crashing (bent radiators, snapped foot pegs, etc.). You really think Kawasaki puts the money into a rider and all it takes to support his program and then tries to sabotage it all? Really??
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dayzed wrote:
Brian is staying at Kawasaki to work in house. Source: PulpMX
I wonder if Tomac offered to bring him along. Or maybe Kranz got tired of all the travel and took the chance to get off the road.

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Nelson 5/8/2021 10:21am
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Nelson wrote:
So here’s my two cents about could have happened. After Tomac not catching fire through the end of sx and if his deal wasn’t signed maybe...
So here’s my two cents about could have happened.

After Tomac not catching fire through the end of sx and if his deal wasn’t signed maybe they came back and low balled him? After all Kawi does have a track record with looking ahead at future riders coming down the PC pipeline.

Take James for example, yes it was well know his dad made things tough for the teams he was on but look what
at happened to him. 2007 sx title, injured for 08 sx then 24-0 outdoors that year and they didn’t even offer him a contract? Then again Villlo was coming up and presumed he’d be the future (and was).

I’m sure they’re banking on AC being future knowing Tomac’s best days are behind him. Maybe they put a guy like Anderson in his place for a season or two much like they did with Davi Millsaps and Chad Reed before getting ahold of Tomac?

Maybe they’re hoping that Fortner will turn out like AC on the 450 with some maturity? I’d say the two careers are kind of similar on the lites bikes. Plus they have McAdoo and Hammaker with tons of potential behind Forkner if they pan out.

Just my two cents

tickleme20 wrote:
[i]Maybe they’re hoping that Forkner will turn out like AC on the 450 with some maturity? I’d say the two careers are kind of similar on...
Maybe they’re hoping that Forkner will turn out like AC on the 450 with some maturity? I’d say the two careers are kind of similar on the lites bikes.

Similar in raw performance only; Cianciarulo and Forkner are absolutely miles apart in maturity. Forkner is extremely emotionally volatile and prone to bonehead goon moves that cause him to unravel. He's got insane talent, but really needs to improve between the ears before he's ready to move up. Like, extensive therapy improve. It's troubling how many seasons he's riden like a hotheaded rookie.

I was meaning the way they both came into the pros as top prospects but both kept getting injured. I totally agree about the maturity part.
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tickleme20 5/8/2021 10:42am
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280driver wrote:
How many DNFs that team gave him? That’s a reach! The brake issue was from a rock. The engine issues where from him pushing the engine...
How many DNFs that team gave him? That’s a reach! The brake issue was from a rock. The engine issues where from him pushing the engine and clutch to extremes in an effort to make up for mistakes he made. There is nothing wrong with that Kawi team.
tickleme20 wrote:
Ask Joey Savagty about that. I've never seen a rider so sabotaged by freak mechanicals as he was during his Kawi 450 stint, especially outdoors. It...
Ask Joey Savagty about that. I've never seen a rider so sabotaged by freak mechanicals as he was during his Kawi 450 stint, especially outdoors. It was ridiculous.
280driver wrote:
That’s just wrong. Go look at his DNFs. Each was due to bike issues caused by him crashing (bent radiators, snapped foot pegs, etc.). You really...
That’s just wrong. Go look at his DNFs. Each was due to bike issues caused by him crashing (bent radiators, snapped foot pegs, etc.). You really think Kawasaki puts the money into a rider and all it takes to support his program and then tries to sabotage it all? Really??
I never said anyONE was trying to sabatoge him. Simply that the bike, for whatever reason, tended to crap out mid-race. Man vs. machine.
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ItakePhotos 5/8/2021 10:58am
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TbonesPop wrote:
Man, gonna be little awkward in the Kawi rig this summer.........Time to be a professional by all involved (not that they weren't, but its really important...
Man, gonna be little awkward in the Kawi rig this summer.........Time to be a professional by all involved (not that they weren't, but its really important now).
Not if he is winning. It might be bitter sweet. If things go bad, yeah it could get a little awkward but this is nothing new to teams and riders, they will all move on.
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tickleme20 wrote:
Ask Joey Savagty about that. I've never seen a rider so sabotaged by freak mechanicals as he was during his Kawi 450 stint, especially outdoors. It...
Ask Joey Savagty about that. I've never seen a rider so sabotaged by freak mechanicals as he was during his Kawi 450 stint, especially outdoors. It was ridiculous.
280driver wrote:
That’s just wrong. Go look at his DNFs. Each was due to bike issues caused by him crashing (bent radiators, snapped foot pegs, etc.). You really...
That’s just wrong. Go look at his DNFs. Each was due to bike issues caused by him crashing (bent radiators, snapped foot pegs, etc.). You really think Kawasaki puts the money into a rider and all it takes to support his program and then tries to sabotage it all? Really??
tickleme20 wrote:
I never said anyONE was trying to sabatoge him. Simply that the bike, for whatever reason, tended to crap out mid-race. Man vs. machine.
“Sabotaged by freak mechanicals…..”. It’s not a freak mechanical if you wreck the bike and cause it. Certainly not sabotage.
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quadzrulebro 5/8/2021 12:18pm
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Correct. MXGP’s rule book allows teams to build true works bikes that allow them to modify anything they need to make the rider comfortable. We have...
Correct. MXGP’s rule book allows teams to build true works bikes that allow them to modify anything they need to make the rider comfortable. We have a production rule here in the AMA.
davis224 wrote:
What would they change that Yamaha wouldn't implement onto the stock bike if they found out it works? It still had the reverse cylinder, if they...
What would they change that Yamaha wouldn't implement onto the stock bike if they found out it works? It still had the reverse cylinder, if they spec'd a whole new frame for him and it was a winning combo, why not use it from there on out? With Star's success along with GP and Aussie teams, it seems like it was just the US Factory team that was struggling.
TbonesPop wrote:
From 2018 forward, using the YZ bike as an excuse is just that, an excuse. Prior to that, there were some legitimate issues, but 2018 and...
From 2018 forward, using the YZ bike as an excuse is just that, an excuse. Prior to that, there were some legitimate issues, but 2018 and going forward Yamaha has the platform for a winner if the right team and rider uses it.

And I agree with your statement. What would they change in the GPs that couldn't be eventually put on the bike in the US? Its just an excuse at this point. It ain't the bike.
Maybe the new gen bike anticipated next year will incorporate the necessary changes that are required for the reversed engined YZ450 to become a consistent dry weather supercross winner or even bring home a championship. I don’t know what the issues are, but for some reason, the last two top Yamaha riders performed better after switching brands. After losing Barcia, they didn’t even get their token round 1 supercross win this year.
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davis224 wrote:
What would they change that Yamaha wouldn't implement onto the stock bike if they found out it works? It still had the reverse cylinder, if they...
What would they change that Yamaha wouldn't implement onto the stock bike if they found out it works? It still had the reverse cylinder, if they spec'd a whole new frame for him and it was a winning combo, why not use it from there on out? With Star's success along with GP and Aussie teams, it seems like it was just the US Factory team that was struggling.
TbonesPop wrote:
From 2018 forward, using the YZ bike as an excuse is just that, an excuse. Prior to that, there were some legitimate issues, but 2018 and...
From 2018 forward, using the YZ bike as an excuse is just that, an excuse. Prior to that, there were some legitimate issues, but 2018 and going forward Yamaha has the platform for a winner if the right team and rider uses it.

And I agree with your statement. What would they change in the GPs that couldn't be eventually put on the bike in the US? Its just an excuse at this point. It ain't the bike.
quadzrulebro wrote:
Maybe the new gen bike anticipated next year will incorporate the necessary changes that are required for the reversed engined YZ450 to become a consistent dry...
Maybe the new gen bike anticipated next year will incorporate the necessary changes that are required for the reversed engined YZ450 to become a consistent dry weather supercross winner or even bring home a championship. I don’t know what the issues are, but for some reason, the last two top Yamaha riders performed better after switching brands. After losing Barcia, they didn’t even get their token round 1 supercross win this year.
New bike isn’t coming next year. Also, the brass at Yamaha America aka Keith McCarty did not allow for Japanese help l and was extremely strict with what went on the bike.

Today, Star has the ability to do what is necessary which is why Plessinger improved his results. The bike is good, it just needed the ability to be tested properly. Tomac will do well on it
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quadzrulebro wrote:
Maybe the new gen bike anticipated next year will incorporate the necessary changes that are required for the reversed engined YZ450 to become a consistent dry...
Maybe the new gen bike anticipated next year will incorporate the necessary changes that are required for the reversed engined YZ450 to become a consistent dry weather supercross winner or even bring home a championship. I don’t know what the issues are, but for some reason, the last two top Yamaha riders performed better after switching brands. After losing Barcia, they didn’t even get their token round 1 supercross win this year.
If you are Yamaha , you have to be pleased with this SX season, its been a sea of blue, ,Mookie and AP have been solid, and DF has had a decent rookie year, all 3 450 guys have been strong.

Can you honestly say that you would have expected any of them to win, AP came close, and was a cut above his 2020 performance.
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TbonesPop wrote:
From 2018 forward, using the YZ bike as an excuse is just that, an excuse. Prior to that, there were some legitimate issues, but 2018 and...
From 2018 forward, using the YZ bike as an excuse is just that, an excuse. Prior to that, there were some legitimate issues, but 2018 and going forward Yamaha has the platform for a winner if the right team and rider uses it.

And I agree with your statement. What would they change in the GPs that couldn't be eventually put on the bike in the US? Its just an excuse at this point. It ain't the bike.
quadzrulebro wrote:
Maybe the new gen bike anticipated next year will incorporate the necessary changes that are required for the reversed engined YZ450 to become a consistent dry...
Maybe the new gen bike anticipated next year will incorporate the necessary changes that are required for the reversed engined YZ450 to become a consistent dry weather supercross winner or even bring home a championship. I don’t know what the issues are, but for some reason, the last two top Yamaha riders performed better after switching brands. After losing Barcia, they didn’t even get their token round 1 supercross win this year.
Zycki11 wrote:
New bike isn’t coming next year. Also, the brass at Yamaha America aka Keith McCarty did not allow for Japanese help l and was extremely strict...
New bike isn’t coming next year. Also, the brass at Yamaha America aka Keith McCarty did not allow for Japanese help l and was extremely strict with what went on the bike.

Today, Star has the ability to do what is necessary which is why Plessinger improved his results. The bike is good, it just needed the ability to be tested properly. Tomac will do well on it
You got inside info ?
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quadzrulebro wrote:
Maybe the new gen bike anticipated next year will incorporate the necessary changes that are required for the reversed engined YZ450 to become a consistent dry...
Maybe the new gen bike anticipated next year will incorporate the necessary changes that are required for the reversed engined YZ450 to become a consistent dry weather supercross winner or even bring home a championship. I don’t know what the issues are, but for some reason, the last two top Yamaha riders performed better after switching brands. After losing Barcia, they didn’t even get their token round 1 supercross win this year.
Zycki11 wrote:
New bike isn’t coming next year. Also, the brass at Yamaha America aka Keith McCarty did not allow for Japanese help l and was extremely strict...
New bike isn’t coming next year. Also, the brass at Yamaha America aka Keith McCarty did not allow for Japanese help l and was extremely strict with what went on the bike.

Today, Star has the ability to do what is necessary which is why Plessinger improved his results. The bike is good, it just needed the ability to be tested properly. Tomac will do well on it
gregyou wrote:
You got inside info ?
His own speculations are stone cold facts.
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TbonesPop 5/8/2021 1:22pm
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davis224 wrote:
What would they change that Yamaha wouldn't implement onto the stock bike if they found out it works? It still had the reverse cylinder, if they...
What would they change that Yamaha wouldn't implement onto the stock bike if they found out it works? It still had the reverse cylinder, if they spec'd a whole new frame for him and it was a winning combo, why not use it from there on out? With Star's success along with GP and Aussie teams, it seems like it was just the US Factory team that was struggling.
TbonesPop wrote:
From 2018 forward, using the YZ bike as an excuse is just that, an excuse. Prior to that, there were some legitimate issues, but 2018 and...
From 2018 forward, using the YZ bike as an excuse is just that, an excuse. Prior to that, there were some legitimate issues, but 2018 and going forward Yamaha has the platform for a winner if the right team and rider uses it.

And I agree with your statement. What would they change in the GPs that couldn't be eventually put on the bike in the US? Its just an excuse at this point. It ain't the bike.
quadzrulebro wrote:
Maybe the new gen bike anticipated next year will incorporate the necessary changes that are required for the reversed engined YZ450 to become a consistent dry...
Maybe the new gen bike anticipated next year will incorporate the necessary changes that are required for the reversed engined YZ450 to become a consistent dry weather supercross winner or even bring home a championship. I don’t know what the issues are, but for some reason, the last two top Yamaha riders performed better after switching brands. After losing Barcia, they didn’t even get their token round 1 supercross win this year.
I stand firm, since 2018 It's not the bike. Its the rider. There isn't a single rider for Yamaha this year that I would have expected to win a race. Podium? Yes, and they did. Its not the bike. Prior to 2018, there were legitimate obstacles to winning races. 2018 going forward, there's nothing wrong with the bike. Its more than capable.

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Zycki11 5/8/2021 1:53pm
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New bike isn’t coming next year. Also, the brass at Yamaha America aka Keith McCarty did not allow for Japanese help l and was extremely strict...
New bike isn’t coming next year. Also, the brass at Yamaha America aka Keith McCarty did not allow for Japanese help l and was extremely strict with what went on the bike.

Today, Star has the ability to do what is necessary which is why Plessinger improved his results. The bike is good, it just needed the ability to be tested properly. Tomac will do well on it
gregyou wrote:
You got inside info ?
BobPA wrote:
His own speculations are stone cold facts.
Wager on 2022 model being a new model? It isn’t speculation if you simply pay attention.
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Dirty Points 5/8/2021 2:14pm
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davis224 wrote:
What would they change that Yamaha wouldn't implement onto the stock bike if they found out it works? It still had the reverse cylinder, if they...
What would they change that Yamaha wouldn't implement onto the stock bike if they found out it works? It still had the reverse cylinder, if they spec'd a whole new frame for him and it was a winning combo, why not use it from there on out? With Star's success along with GP and Aussie teams, it seems like it was just the US Factory team that was struggling.
TbonesPop wrote:
From 2018 forward, using the YZ bike as an excuse is just that, an excuse. Prior to that, there were some legitimate issues, but 2018 and...
From 2018 forward, using the YZ bike as an excuse is just that, an excuse. Prior to that, there were some legitimate issues, but 2018 and going forward Yamaha has the platform for a winner if the right team and rider uses it.

And I agree with your statement. What would they change in the GPs that couldn't be eventually put on the bike in the US? Its just an excuse at this point. It ain't the bike.
quadzrulebro wrote:
Maybe the new gen bike anticipated next year will incorporate the necessary changes that are required for the reversed engined YZ450 to become a consistent dry...
Maybe the new gen bike anticipated next year will incorporate the necessary changes that are required for the reversed engined YZ450 to become a consistent dry weather supercross winner or even bring home a championship. I don’t know what the issues are, but for some reason, the last two top Yamaha riders performed better after switching brands. After losing Barcia, they didn’t even get their token round 1 supercross win this year.
Barcia did improve a bit, but not markedly, after switching brands.

2020: 272 pts, 5th overall, 1 win, 3 podiums
2021: 284 pts, 4th overall, 1 win, 4 podiums

The guys who moved to or stayed on Yamaha actually improved quite a bit more in 2021 than he did.
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gregyou wrote:
You got inside info ?
BobPA wrote:
His own speculations are stone cold facts.
Zycki11 wrote:
Wager on 2022 model being a new model? It isn’t speculation if you simply pay attention.
They mentioned on pulp that they think it’s going to be a new bike. You got better info?
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gregyou wrote:
They mentioned on pulp that they think it’s going to be a new bike. You got better info?
I listened to Pulp, again, I don’t think it will be. I stated my reasons above. If I’m wrong I’m wrong and I’m willing to put my money where my mouth is.
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gregyou wrote:
They mentioned on pulp that they think it’s going to be a new bike. You got better info?
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I listened to Pulp, again, I don’t think it will be. I stated my reasons above. If I’m wrong I’m wrong and I’m willing to put...
I listened to Pulp, again, I don’t think it will be. I stated my reasons above. If I’m wrong I’m wrong and I’m willing to put my money where my mouth is.
Long way about of just answering the question that no you don’t have inside info
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TbonesPop wrote:
From 2018 forward, using the YZ bike as an excuse is just that, an excuse. Prior to that, there were some legitimate issues, but 2018 and...
From 2018 forward, using the YZ bike as an excuse is just that, an excuse. Prior to that, there were some legitimate issues, but 2018 and going forward Yamaha has the platform for a winner if the right team and rider uses it.

And I agree with your statement. What would they change in the GPs that couldn't be eventually put on the bike in the US? Its just an excuse at this point. It ain't the bike.
quadzrulebro wrote:
Maybe the new gen bike anticipated next year will incorporate the necessary changes that are required for the reversed engined YZ450 to become a consistent dry...
Maybe the new gen bike anticipated next year will incorporate the necessary changes that are required for the reversed engined YZ450 to become a consistent dry weather supercross winner or even bring home a championship. I don’t know what the issues are, but for some reason, the last two top Yamaha riders performed better after switching brands. After losing Barcia, they didn’t even get their token round 1 supercross win this year.
TbonesPop wrote:
I stand firm, since 2018 It's not the bike. Its the rider. There isn't a single rider for Yamaha this year that I would have expected...
I stand firm, since 2018 It's not the bike. Its the rider. There isn't a single rider for Yamaha this year that I would have expected to win a race. Podium? Yes, and they did. Its not the bike. Prior to 2018, there were legitimate obstacles to winning races. 2018 going forward, there's nothing wrong with the bike. Its more than capable.

>80% Rider, <20% Bike/team

Always has been, always will be.
It’s been well documented that the former US factory Yamaha team would not allow riders to make the changes they wanted.
Aussie and Canadian Yamaha teams have been successful on production bikes. Dean Ferris said his Aussie YZF450 was better than the American factory bike. With the resources available, that should never happen.
With Star taking over the team, those issues should be out the door. Looking forward to see how they perform, no matter who’s on the bike.
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davis224 wrote:
What would they change that Yamaha wouldn't implement onto the stock bike if they found out it works? It still had the reverse cylinder, if they...
What would they change that Yamaha wouldn't implement onto the stock bike if they found out it works? It still had the reverse cylinder, if they spec'd a whole new frame for him and it was a winning combo, why not use it from there on out? With Star's success along with GP and Aussie teams, it seems like it was just the US Factory team that was struggling.
TbonesPop wrote:
From 2018 forward, using the YZ bike as an excuse is just that, an excuse. Prior to that, there were some legitimate issues, but 2018 and...
From 2018 forward, using the YZ bike as an excuse is just that, an excuse. Prior to that, there were some legitimate issues, but 2018 and going forward Yamaha has the platform for a winner if the right team and rider uses it.

And I agree with your statement. What would they change in the GPs that couldn't be eventually put on the bike in the US? Its just an excuse at this point. It ain't the bike.
quadzrulebro wrote:
Maybe the new gen bike anticipated next year will incorporate the necessary changes that are required for the reversed engined YZ450 to become a consistent dry...
Maybe the new gen bike anticipated next year will incorporate the necessary changes that are required for the reversed engined YZ450 to become a consistent dry weather supercross winner or even bring home a championship. I don’t know what the issues are, but for some reason, the last two top Yamaha riders performed better after switching brands. After losing Barcia, they didn’t even get their token round 1 supercross win this year.
Barcia looked the exact same to me, not sure why everyone keeps saying he was better. He also looked the same when he moved from Yamaha to Suzuki, funny thing that.
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TbonesPop wrote:
From 2018 forward, using the YZ bike as an excuse is just that, an excuse. Prior to that, there were some legitimate issues, but 2018 and...
From 2018 forward, using the YZ bike as an excuse is just that, an excuse. Prior to that, there were some legitimate issues, but 2018 and going forward Yamaha has the platform for a winner if the right team and rider uses it.

And I agree with your statement. What would they change in the GPs that couldn't be eventually put on the bike in the US? Its just an excuse at this point. It ain't the bike.
quadzrulebro wrote:
Maybe the new gen bike anticipated next year will incorporate the necessary changes that are required for the reversed engined YZ450 to become a consistent dry...
Maybe the new gen bike anticipated next year will incorporate the necessary changes that are required for the reversed engined YZ450 to become a consistent dry weather supercross winner or even bring home a championship. I don’t know what the issues are, but for some reason, the last two top Yamaha riders performed better after switching brands. After losing Barcia, they didn’t even get their token round 1 supercross win this year.
Dirty Points wrote:
Barcia did improve a bit, but not markedly, after switching brands. 2020: 272 pts, 5th overall, 1 win, 3 podiums 2021: 284 pts, 4th overall, 1...
Barcia did improve a bit, but not markedly, after switching brands.

2020: 272 pts, 5th overall, 1 win, 3 podiums
2021: 284 pts, 4th overall, 1 win, 4 podiums

The guys who moved to or stayed on Yamaha actually improved quite a bit more in 2021 than he did.
Barcia didn't get better, Jason Anderson got way worse for the first half of the season.
inthebadboycorner 5/8/2021 3:34pm
5/8/2021 3:34pm
^^^ Hence why Tomac knows he can at least be as good on the Yamaha, and he would be betting that the change will be a good as a holiday.
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gregyou wrote:
They mentioned on pulp that they think it’s going to be a new bike. You got better info?
Zycki11 wrote:
I listened to Pulp, again, I don’t think it will be. I stated my reasons above. If I’m wrong I’m wrong and I’m willing to put...
I listened to Pulp, again, I don’t think it will be. I stated my reasons above. If I’m wrong I’m wrong and I’m willing to put my money where my mouth is.
gregyou wrote:
Long way about of just answering the question that no you don’t have inside info
Just because I didn’t answer it in the context you were looking for does not mean the question wasn’t answered. But hey, who cares anyway.
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MX Culture wrote:
Interesting. At Salt Lake last weekend, I heard that Eli signed 2 more years at Kawi.
Given the press release now then perhaps your source is totally not credible Smile
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MX Culture wrote:
Interesting. At Salt Lake last weekend, I heard that Eli signed 2 more years at Kawi.
kiwifan wrote:
Given the press release now then perhaps your source is totally not credible Smile
If you can't trust some random guy in a supercross jersey in the parking lot then who the hell can you trust?
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evansteinberg 5/8/2021 11:26pm
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How awesome is it to have a 15 pager? This board doesn't see that very often, not like the Stew days.
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MX Culture wrote:
Interesting. At Salt Lake last weekend, I heard that Eli signed 2 more years at Kawi.
kiwifan wrote:
Given the press release now then perhaps your source is totally not credible Smile
disbanded wrote:
If you can't trust some random guy in a supercross jersey in the parking lot then who the hell can you trust?
I think it was the 2 year monster deal that was making people assume Kawasaki.
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Mit12 5/9/2021 4:21am
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Tomac will perform the same on any brand. The bike is such a little part of the puzzle now days. Look at Barcia his results have been the same on everything he has ridden. Remember when everyone thought that Dungey was done when he went to KTM?
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