No YFZ450's sold in California for '21

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Apparently CARB's emission requirements have made Yamaha decide it's not worth selling them in California anymore.

Not that I really care about quads but this hits a little close to home. Whats to stop them from going after 2 wheels next?

Saw Bert's Mega Mall IG post say they wont sell anymore after their inventory is gone and a quick google search confirmed it.
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2/23/2021 6:36am
What sport quad racing once was.... let’s all hope bikes never ever see the same fate.
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https://www.atv.com/blog/2021/02/2021-yamaha-yfz450r-raptor-700r700-spo…

“Although the 2021 YFZ450R, as with previous model years, received a Certificate of Conformity from the Environmental Protection Agency (EPA), California phased out the Red Sticker program.”

That Red Sticker Program was intended for off-highway vehicles that did not meet California’s stricter emissions standards. Qualifying vehicles receive a red registration sticker from the Department of Motor Vehicles.
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I'm just amazed that California state government still allows dirt bikes within their borders at all.
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2/23/2021 8:00am
https://californiaglobe.com/section-2/off-road-competition-motorcycles-…

"Senator Jones wrote the bill in an effort to save the off-road vehicle competition industry in California. The CARB Red Sticker program is due to expire in 2021 with no replacement, meaning that public lands would be off-limits to these vehicles starting in 2022. By adding a new program, and increasing regulations to nullify common complaints such as off-road vehicles being too noisy."

"“Peaceful views and quiet are often ruined by these kids on dirt bikes revving up their engines and ruining the hike or picnic or what-have-you for everyone,” said Barbara Schaeffer, whose house is next to public land nearby the Salton Sea in Southern California. “This also means we’ll see less of them and that police can finally do something about the noise.”"

What are the odds these people would be satisfied even if all dirtbikes were electric?

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2/23/2021 8:16am
Jardo wrote:
https://californiaglobe.com/section-2/off-road-competition-motorcycles-atvs-face-major-changes-in-new-bill/ "Senator Jones wrote the bill in an effort to save the off-road vehicle competition industry in California. The CARB Red Sticker program is due to...
https://californiaglobe.com/section-2/off-road-competition-motorcycles-…

"Senator Jones wrote the bill in an effort to save the off-road vehicle competition industry in California. The CARB Red Sticker program is due to expire in 2021 with no replacement, meaning that public lands would be off-limits to these vehicles starting in 2022. By adding a new program, and increasing regulations to nullify common complaints such as off-road vehicles being too noisy."

"“Peaceful views and quiet are often ruined by these kids on dirt bikes revving up their engines and ruining the hike or picnic or what-have-you for everyone,” said Barbara Schaeffer, whose house is next to public land nearby the Salton Sea in Southern California. “This also means we’ll see less of them and that police can finally do something about the noise.”"

What are the odds these people would be satisfied even if all dirtbikes were electric?

They won't be satisfied if we went all electric. Dust would be the next complaint along with ground deterioration.
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2/23/2021 8:20am Edited Date/Time 2/23/2021 8:22am
"“Peaceful views and quiet are often ruined by these kids on dirt bikes revving up their engines and ruining the hike or picnic or what-have-you for everyone,” said Barbara Schaeffer, whose house is next to public land nearby the Salton Sea in Southern California. “This also means we’ll see less of them and that police can finally do something about the noise.”"



Not everyone. It doesn't ruin it for the millions of people who enjoy off-roading in dwindling areas. Go to one of the millions of acres of wilderness-designated land in California if you want peace and quiet. Odds are pretty good it will be closer for you than a legal riding area will be for me. Angry

EDIT: "Next to public land nearby the Salton Sea" means Ocotillo Wells. If you choose to live next door to an OHRV Park, don't complain about the OHRVs.
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Falcon wrote:
"“Peaceful views and quiet are often ruined by these kids on dirt bikes revving up their engines and ruining the hike or picnic or what-have-you for...
"“Peaceful views and quiet are often ruined by these kids on dirt bikes revving up their engines and ruining the hike or picnic or what-have-you for everyone,” said Barbara Schaeffer, whose house is next to public land nearby the Salton Sea in Southern California. “This also means we’ll see less of them and that police can finally do something about the noise.”"



Not everyone. It doesn't ruin it for the millions of people who enjoy off-roading in dwindling areas. Go to one of the millions of acres of wilderness-designated land in California if you want peace and quiet. Odds are pretty good it will be closer for you than a legal riding area will be for me. Angry

EDIT: "Next to public land nearby the Salton Sea" means Ocotillo Wells. If you choose to live next door to an OHRV Park, don't complain about the OHRVs.
Only thing in salton sea is a cell tower, smelly ass water, and meth. This lady is off her rocker.
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I just went to Scottsdale AZ and the only place I saw people enjoying the peaceful desert was Dome Rock and Quartzite. The rest of the California and AZ deserts were empty. I wonder when that fuck Jones went to the desert.
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Yamaha has remained dedicated to the sport ATV market even when their competitors ended production. The fact that they decided it was not worth the effort to meet CARB compliance is not a good sign for California. I feel like if any manufacture would care about selling quads in Cali, it would be Yamaha.
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2/23/2021 9:37am
Jardo wrote:
https://californiaglobe.com/section-2/off-road-competition-motorcycles-atvs-face-major-changes-in-new-bill/ "Senator Jones wrote the bill in an effort to save the off-road vehicle competition industry in California. The CARB Red Sticker program is due to...
https://californiaglobe.com/section-2/off-road-competition-motorcycles-…

"Senator Jones wrote the bill in an effort to save the off-road vehicle competition industry in California. The CARB Red Sticker program is due to expire in 2021 with no replacement, meaning that public lands would be off-limits to these vehicles starting in 2022. By adding a new program, and increasing regulations to nullify common complaints such as off-road vehicles being too noisy."

"“Peaceful views and quiet are often ruined by these kids on dirt bikes revving up their engines and ruining the hike or picnic or what-have-you for everyone,” said Barbara Schaeffer, whose house is next to public land nearby the Salton Sea in Southern California. “This also means we’ll see less of them and that police can finally do something about the noise.”"

What are the odds these people would be satisfied even if all dirtbikes were electric?

mattyhamz2 wrote:
They won't be satisfied if we went all electric. Dust would be the next complaint along with ground deterioration.
With electric, all it would take is the first person to plow into someone walking a trail with their dog or something and couldn't "hear" the bike coming.
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2/23/2021 9:41am
Jardo wrote:
https://californiaglobe.com/section-2/off-road-competition-motorcycles-atvs-face-major-changes-in-new-bill/ "Senator Jones wrote the bill in an effort to save the off-road vehicle competition industry in California. The CARB Red Sticker program is due to...
https://californiaglobe.com/section-2/off-road-competition-motorcycles-…

"Senator Jones wrote the bill in an effort to save the off-road vehicle competition industry in California. The CARB Red Sticker program is due to expire in 2021 with no replacement, meaning that public lands would be off-limits to these vehicles starting in 2022. By adding a new program, and increasing regulations to nullify common complaints such as off-road vehicles being too noisy."

"“Peaceful views and quiet are often ruined by these kids on dirt bikes revving up their engines and ruining the hike or picnic or what-have-you for everyone,” said Barbara Schaeffer, whose house is next to public land nearby the Salton Sea in Southern California. “This also means we’ll see less of them and that police can finally do something about the noise.”"

What are the odds these people would be satisfied even if all dirtbikes were electric?

mattyhamz2 wrote:
They won't be satisfied if we went all electric. Dust would be the next complaint along with ground deterioration.
With electric, all it would take is the first person to plow into someone walking a trail with their dog or something and couldn't "hear" the...
With electric, all it would take is the first person to plow into someone walking a trail with their dog or something and couldn't "hear" the bike coming.
Couple that with “surface destruction”
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"When fun is outlawed, only outlaws have fun."
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2/23/2021 9:49am Edited Date/Time 2/23/2021 5:20pm
This would appear to be another really big nail in the dirt bike coffin.
Hopefully I am still alive to tell my grand children that I once rode a dirt bike, because they won't.
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Wasn’t there a year or two the WR400 or WR450 wasn’t sold in CA as well?
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Jardo wrote:
https://californiaglobe.com/section-2/off-road-competition-motorcycles-atvs-face-major-changes-in-new-bill/ "Senator Jones wrote the bill in an effort to save the off-road vehicle competition industry in California. The CARB Red Sticker program is due to...
https://californiaglobe.com/section-2/off-road-competition-motorcycles-…

"Senator Jones wrote the bill in an effort to save the off-road vehicle competition industry in California. The CARB Red Sticker program is due to expire in 2021 with no replacement, meaning that public lands would be off-limits to these vehicles starting in 2022. By adding a new program, and increasing regulations to nullify common complaints such as off-road vehicles being too noisy."

"“Peaceful views and quiet are often ruined by these kids on dirt bikes revving up their engines and ruining the hike or picnic or what-have-you for everyone,” said Barbara Schaeffer, whose house is next to public land nearby the Salton Sea in Southern California. “This also means we’ll see less of them and that police can finally do something about the noise.”"

What are the odds these people would be satisfied even if all dirtbikes were electric?

mattyhamz2 wrote:
They won't be satisfied if we went all electric. Dust would be the next complaint along with ground deterioration.
Some people will never be satisfied no matter how much they get.

Sad to see this happen down there. I’m sure some other states won’t be far behind as history has shown.
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I hate living even close to CA. I have a bunch of family there still and they are brain washed. Not trying to turn this into something else.. but AZ is changing for the worse. If I wasn't so happy with work, I would be gone in a second.
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Buy out of state then.
Easier said than done. You MUST register off-road bikes in CA. Guess what, off-road bikes that do not meet emissions aren't allowed to be registered in CA. But you MUST register off-road bikes in CA. Guess what, off-road bikes that do not meet emissions aren't allowed to be registered in CA. But you MUST register off-road bikes in CA. Guess what, off-road bikes that do not meet emissions aren't allowed to be registered in CA. But you MUST register off-road bikes in CA. Guess what, off-road bikes that do not meet emissions aren't allowed to be registered in CA. But you MUST register off-road bikes in CA.

See the problem?
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We're regular campers at Ocotillo Wells/Salton Sea. On any given holiday weekend, there's a couple hundred million if not more in RV's and off-road vehicles that continues to contribute to the economy of CA as well as this dusty shithole. Complaining about "revving engines" out in the Salton Sea area is akin to moving right next door to an MX track and complain about the noise 'ala Starwest. This lady is a nut, but it's only takes one nut to completely ruin it for everyone.

There's much bigger issues that CA needs to address than EPA and CARB regulations for off-roaders. For instance, go down the rabbit hole that is the largest environmental disaster CA has ever faced, only to be swept under the rug. That's right the Salton Sea itself. That body of water is drying up and fast and if something isn't done about it soon all of Southern California is going to pay the price and we'll be living in a constant virtual salty dustbowl. These people in Sacramento have their heads straight up their...well you know. Priorities.

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We asked for liberals and this is what we got lol !!!
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Probably not a couple hundred million, but recreational OHV'ers do tend to be pretty awful. That's the flannel coat and tossing bud light cans on the ground crowd. Go to a proper motocross track and at least 90% of the people there are respectful to others and their trash makes it into a trash can can they don't feel the need to yolo for attention everywhere they go. However, when you go to a recreational spot, you'd be lucky see half the people there that aren't awful and super rude to their environment and those around them.

Don't even get me started on Southern California and what they've done to get water.
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2/23/2021 1:20pm Edited Date/Time 2/24/2021 7:01pm
Easily a couple hundred million. Have you ever been to Ocotillo on a holiday weekend? I'm thinking not. Between, Holly Road, Truck Haven, Blue Inn and Devils Slide areas, there are hundreds of camps. In my camp alone over Presidents weekend, we counted about $1.3 million between our RV's, trucks and toy's. We had 12 in a circle, 3 alone of which were $200k+ diesel pusher coaches with Renegade stackers.

Sorry, but I've seen plenty of trash throwers on the ground at MX tracks also. If you don't think guys at the track "yolo" for attention, then that tells me you don't spend much time there. I've seen just as many douchebags at the track than I've seen anywhere else. I've also seen bad campers and good campers. Let's not lump everyone into a flannel/Bud Light crowd. Just another sweeping generalization. Go to Truck Haven where there are hundreds of people camping on New Years, they even build a wood bar to burn and you wouldn't know a soul was out there once everyone has left. Many people out there pack it in and pack it out and yes, there are some bad apples, but most folks clean it out. By the way there are large garbage areas placed in designated spots by BLM and campers do use them. Most every camp I've come across out there has been great people. If you're a regular camper you know the drill, if you aren't, you learn.
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2/23/2021 1:35pm Edited Date/Time 2/23/2021 1:36pm
Different regions I guess. From what I've seen around here, it's a completely different kind of rider at the motocross tracks, and I'm not talking about the little tracks you find at recreational areas, I'm talking private motocross facilities with lights, snacks, flaggers, etc. Trucks are clean, bikes are clean, gear is clean, gearbags and toolboxes are organized, etc. That's just the type of person I see at the track. It's not like they're super clean and organized and then it's just a huge circle of trash around their truck. Now when you go to the recreation areas, bikes are dirty, trucks are dirty, camping gear and food are strewn about and you can always hear that sound when they're rummaging through a toolbox where they slide all the tools around looking for something. Totally different people.
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NoShowNash wrote:
We asked for liberals and this is what we got lol !!!
Careful our Vital overlord bats for that team...
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It's a dumb angle. As if you couldn't do that with every negative aspect in every state.
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2/23/2021 2:03pm
To play devils advocate here...

"red sticker" bikes are predominantly MX and competition based bikes. Thats what OEMs mean when they say "for closed course competition only".

There are plenty of options out there for bikes that are still compliant for use in CA OHVs - Yamaha WRs, KTM EXCs, Husky FEs, Honda CRF Xs, even Suziki got their shit together enough to offer the RMX 450Z as "green sticker" eligible
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To play devils advocate here... "red sticker" bikes are predominantly MX and competition based bikes. Thats what OEMs mean when they say "for closed course competition...
To play devils advocate here...

"red sticker" bikes are predominantly MX and competition based bikes. Thats what OEMs mean when they say "for closed course competition only".

There are plenty of options out there for bikes that are still compliant for use in CA OHVs - Yamaha WRs, KTM EXCs, Husky FEs, Honda CRF Xs, even Suziki got their shit together enough to offer the RMX 450Z as "green sticker" eligible
The green/red sticker program is going away, and those standards just got a lot more difficult to attain: https://ww2.arb.ca.gov/our-work/programs/highway-recreational-vehicles

"Establish new exhaust and evaporative emissions standards for OHRV starting in 2020."
2/23/2021 2:59pm Edited Date/Time 2/23/2021 3:07pm
To play devils advocate here... "red sticker" bikes are predominantly MX and competition based bikes. Thats what OEMs mean when they say "for closed course competition...
To play devils advocate here...

"red sticker" bikes are predominantly MX and competition based bikes. Thats what OEMs mean when they say "for closed course competition only".

There are plenty of options out there for bikes that are still compliant for use in CA OHVs - Yamaha WRs, KTM EXCs, Husky FEs, Honda CRF Xs, even Suziki got their shit together enough to offer the RMX 450Z as "green sticker" eligible
Falcon wrote:
The green/red sticker program is going away, and those standards just got a lot more difficult to attain: https://ww2.arb.ca.gov/our-work/programs/highway-recreational-vehicles "Establish new exhaust and evaporative emissions standards...
The green/red sticker program is going away, and those standards just got a lot more difficult to attain: https://ww2.arb.ca.gov/our-work/programs/highway-recreational-vehicles

"Establish new exhaust and evaporative emissions standards for OHRV starting in 2020."
They are actually easier to attain through 2026, after which they may be harder to attain:

"California's standards for off-highway motorcycles will be identical to U.S. EPA from 2020 through 2026 for evaporative controls and 2022 through 2027 for exhaust controls. Aligning with federal standards will reduce emissions while helping to ensure adequate model availability while the industry transitions from the red sticker program"

So the YFZ holiday will probably be a 1 year one, while Yamaha waits for the red sticker program to disappear after 2021, and no longer have a CARB-specific model cert
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So, a question for all who have written and sent their thoughts to this OHV forum. And all who are reading it. How many of you have written and sent letters, attended meetings, and talked one on one with land managing agency people. ie, GOTTEN INVOLVED!! It really does work. It works really well for the anti access a$$holes. They do all the above. A lot. We don't. Look who's winning. GET INVOLVED!!!
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More than once. Here's how it goes...

"hey guys, please don't steal our ohv funds for your general fund nonsense"

"dear sir, thank you for your message. as you know, (enter here five hundred words that are basically the nice way of saying "LOLOL WE'RE GONNA DO IT ANYWAY ROFLCOPTERTHANKSFORTHEMONEYLOSERLOLOLOL"".
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