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Second view from the camera guy makes it a clear accident and happened so fast he coasted into the first turn. The kid is very respectful for the atmosphere, success and good fortune he was raised in. He also treats the younger kids that look up to him very well and imo it was an accident with not much of an option except a full stop.
Maybe a full stop and go if you get outside the banners could be the rule. If you have raced there its easy to get sideways and the corner was right there quick. Add adrenaline and split second situation. But who gives a shit what I think?
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Deegan—“In ’98 I cut the track at Budds Creek, I was so pissed. I was in the top ten and my clutch lever came lose, I pulled in and Kenny had to tighten it. I was angry, I was back in around 15th and I just cut off a downhill to get back to where I was. I remember Duke coming over and saying I cut the track. I asked him if he saw it and he said no so I said there it is, I must not have (laughs).”
What's that old saying about the apple not falling far from the tree?
Seriously, when did people get the notion that accidents should absolve you of potential penalties? Makes no sense.
Fuck up, gain an advantage, get penalized, don't fuck up next time.
Case closed.
Common guys. How can you really say that a mistake doesn't deserve a penalty and truly believe that?
He chopped the throttle when he went off
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In what world was this not gaining an advantage? If there was something keeping him on the track like haybales, banners, tires, or whatever else you would like, he would have either crashed or been in essentially last. A mistake to this magnitude should not allow you to lose no positions.
Your example makes a good analogy since the law would treat differently someone who accidentally hit a pedestrian, as opposed to someone who purposely drove their car towards someone and hit them.
This was an amateur national and AMA recognized major event. We're not mad about a kids race. We're mad about the AMA (or promoter) continually not enforcing the rulebook with video evidence. People wonder why pros make the same mistakes (see: lanes cut in SX) after never being penalized during amateurs when it is time to learn the rules with less on the line than a professional championship. You enforce the rules at an amateur level, and I guarantee by the time these guys are racing pro they won't be cutting track.
I race Millville regularly, and guess what happens if I make a mistake down the straight and try to cut the corner rather than staying on track. I hit a fence and lose a lot more time than just letting off and ending wherever the start shakes out. If I somehow cut the track later, I guarantee our ref docs me mistake or not. No reason my local, mean nothing race should be held to higher standards than an amateur national.
I’m really surprised they didn’t have banners there lining the start down to the first corner. Almost reminded me of when Chad Reed got that start by going on the grass in muddy Indiana race.
I don't know the penalties per the rulebook off hand and won't pretend I do, but I would think there would be varying degrees of penalties like if he purposefully cut the track vs if it were due to a mistake ( DQ vs doc positions). Doing nothing is not the fair answer to all the competitors.
I'm done. Going back to lurking this one. Can't force others to see the same logic and I'm okay with that.
Some consider gaining an advantage as : left the track in x position as long as you resume in x position or worse it isn’t an advantage.
Others say, you made a mistake, while you may have been in x position before the mistake, there’s no way you would have remained in x position if you didn’t cut the track and stay in it. If you had to actually suffer consequences for making a mistake you would have lost a number of spots. - thus you gained an advantage even if you re-entered in the same position you left the track in.
It’s two very different ways of looking at gained an advantage. I side with the second explanation, where as it seems the ama sides with the first. - sometimes, maybe depending on the person, altitude, barometric pressures, and time of the month.
It never occurred to me that my mistake was an unfair advantage to others and that I just needed to cut the track and come back on wherever I thought I might have been if I hadn't made a mistake in the first place.
It's like a whole new world has opened up to me.
Should I break that down further, or can you connect the dots?
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