Ryno's Post about the Sport

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11/7/2020 5:27am
Lots of passion there AND....he had just seen the guy laying in the track....


I don’t have any problem with anything he said
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11/7/2020 6:53am
RIP Chris.
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11/7/2020 7:36am
I agree with every word he spoke. What he said was relevant to every day life, not just specifically moto. People are lazy, take the easy way out and make so many decisions based on fear of judgement.
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11/7/2020 7:40am Edited Date/Time 11/7/2020 7:42am
Well considering a large demographic of Vital users are literally the guys he’s talking about, I can see why this thread went this way. Triggered some of ya.

Less money on exhaust and graphics, more money on proper suspension set up, coaching and fresh tires.

It’s downright scary watching some guys get ridden around the track by their 450 machines knowing they have families that depend on them.
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11/7/2020 7:44am
DoctorJD wrote:
Things happen quick in this sport, no matter how many hours you spend training and honing your skills. One little kicker on a jump face, one...
Things happen quick in this sport, no matter how many hours you spend training and honing your skills. One little kicker on a jump face, one little hole in the track. Just look at what happened to CR22 at Milleville. Dude was railing one minute, and a human cannonball the next. All due to one square-edge on the track that he'd probably run over a dozen times before without incident.

Can you be safer on the bike by learning better technique? Abso-damn-lutely. But to assert that you're accident-proof by doing so just isn't true.
I agree with you 100% and yes technique can help in preventing crashing but this is solely on the individual. This sounded a little more like a “come to me” so I can help you learn the ryno way. I’m a ryno fan but this is a risk each and everyone of us take when we put that helmet on. I pray for this mans family and to think he just went out to have some fun doing what he lived and had to go through that is a nightmare!!
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11/7/2020 7:56am Edited Date/Time 11/7/2020 8:00am
Ryno was at Pala yesterday and by the “vet” the majority of the time. I didn’t see him, not once, tell any “vet”, unskilled, neck brace wearing, little kid with parental support, assumed un coached rider “FUCK YOU”. Why, because he knows he probably would have got his ass kicked. Some things are better left unsaid, both in person and on social media or if you won’t say it to a mans face don’t say it at all.

To think coaching will stop accidents is asinine
To say Chris Ow’s accident was from lack of skill, coaching or wrong bike is asinine
To say people shouldn’t spend their money how they want, how they choose to recreate, what bike they buy, what parts they put on it and what gear they choose to wear is asinine

His post is a slap in the face to everyone that has ever been injured on a dirt bike that hasn’t met HIS criteria of being allowed to be on one from PRO to BRO

I lost a dear friend to riding 2 short months ago and it had nothing to do with what Ryno assumes. Just like accidents happen where you can break your back or your femur, accidents happen where you can die. Little hint Ryno: people die everyday on simple shit that they are properly trained on and fit to perform

The elephant in the room is that everyone knows Ryno is struggling with “demons”, depression, too many concussions, divorce, whatever, but that doesn’t give him a free pass to say whatever the fuck he wants and It be excused as “thats just Ryno being Ryno, he’s got a lot of passion“

As he believes riders need coaching, he could use a little mental coaching as he is NOT the philosopher he thinks he his


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11/7/2020 8:34am
Kyle978 wrote:
Well considering a large demographic of Vital users are literally the guys he’s talking about, I can see why this thread went this way. Triggered some...
Well considering a large demographic of Vital users are literally the guys he’s talking about, I can see why this thread went this way. Triggered some of ya.

Less money on exhaust and graphics, more money on proper suspension set up, coaching and fresh tires.

It’s downright scary watching some guys get ridden around the track by their 450 machines knowing they have families that depend on them.
Last paragraph is quite evident in California coming from Louisiana. I have never seen so many 135# kids, first timers and beginners on 450’s. I don’t know if it’s an ego thing, a status thing but more frightening a “do all the jumps” thing.
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11/7/2020 9:12am
Anyone ask Rc Rv or BUBBA what they think. They'd say that's racing.
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11/7/2020 9:26am Edited Date/Time 11/7/2020 9:28am
Aye, got cleaned out by a wind gust a few weeks back on a jump I have jumped hundreds of times. Coaching, careful riding, equipment or too much bike had nothing to do with it. I do credit those factors somewhat in my survival of it. The only way I could have prevented was not jump. Wind went from 0-25 just before I landed and down I went. Very dangerous, crosswinds.
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11/7/2020 9:31am Edited Date/Time 11/7/2020 9:42am
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I made a post bitching about someone weighing in on something that had nothing to do with them. In a situation that had nothing to do with me. I wish people could learn that 99 out of 100 times your voice doesn’t need to be heard.

RIP Chris Ow and my sincere condolences to friends and family that are hurting at this time.
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11/7/2020 9:48am Edited Date/Time 11/7/2020 11:03am
Kyle978 wrote:
Well considering a large demographic of Vital users are literally the guys he’s talking about, I can see why this thread went this way. Triggered some...
Well considering a large demographic of Vital users are literally the guys he’s talking about, I can see why this thread went this way. Triggered some of ya.

Less money on exhaust and graphics, more money on proper suspension set up, coaching and fresh tires.

It’s downright scary watching some guys get ridden around the track by their 450 machines knowing they have families that depend on them.
Yup.

A couple weeks back, I pitted next to a guy that appeared to be in his late 40”s that had a brand new Husky 450 he just bought the day before.

Dude told me he has never ridden a four stroke before, and had not ridden any dirt bikes anywhere since 1999 - the last bike he owed was a 1997 Yamaha YZ250. Dealer talked him into a new 450 because “the salesman says that Husky’s are good for vets”

I was a little wary because with the dad/office dweller bod he was sporting, that this may not go as well as he might want.

I felt bad because he didn’t bring his fork pump or any other tools to the track to set up sag or tire pressure or anything, he said he had no idea that new bikes need so much set up. I tried to help as much as I could , but he just wanted to go out and do laps on his new bike, new fox gear, and 21 year old beat up Arai helmet.

The whole ordeal lasted three laps before the guy pulled in unable to hold on, and he was rolling everything when he was out.
I never saw him after that, when I came back from my moto he and his truck were gone.

So if anyone needs a 2021 Husky 450 with maybe 20 minutes on it, I’m sure it’s for sale somewhere around Temecula or San Diego now.

I guess my point is that MX has gotten a lot harder than when I started riding decades ago- you have to be in shape, you have to use correct technique, and you have to realize this is the hardest sport on earth and you need to respect it.



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11/7/2020 10:10am
Overall he is right though. Compared to auto racing, we can basically go buy an F1 car off the showroom floor and go straight to a track. These aren't 1976 17 HP 125's anymore. I see plenty of people that should not be on the bike that they are on, or on a track that they should not be on. Motocross has always been dangerous, but now it is faster and the bikes(450's) really are better than the riders. Bikes now instill false confidence rather than teaching the basics of how to get proper speed. All of his points are 100% spot on. Was the timing right, or mentioning that this stemmed from the gentlemens passing, probably not. But the fact that people will spend 9+ grand on a bike, plus gear, have the truck or trailer to haul it, and really not even take any basic training sessions to ride the thing properly is pretty crazy. My main takeaway from the video is, dirt bike riding is fun, but it is as dangerous as its ever been. People need to take that into account, be responsible and develop their skills to match the progress the bikes themselves have made.

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11/7/2020 10:57am
Ryno comes off as a complete nut job frequently, no surprise he does it again.

Sorry to the people who clearly are his friends and/or worshippers but he came off like a complete asshole in his first rant. I was waiting for him to straight-up plug his website or maybe his bullshit nutritional products..."Maybe if he went to rynopower.com and saw my lessons and bought some of my powdered bullshit he'd be alive. But he didn't. He didn't take motocross serious enough."

If he had observed a rider on the track riding dangerously and unchecked, who ultimately crashed and lost their life maybe his rant would have some weight. It wasn't the case.

Doubters prove me wrong.
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11/7/2020 10:58am
The fact that Ryan Hughes did not take these posts DOWN from instagram shows me all I need to know about Ryan Hughes.

Leaving those posts up is DISRESPECTFUL... CRUEL and HEARTLESS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

WILLFULLY causing pain or suffering to others... is NOT the definition of passion.

Ryan Hughes using someone else's tragedy in his never ending lust for attention... is pathetic
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I cant believe Ryno on this. I could not unfollow him faster. What a crackpot he is.

Talk about not knowing anything and pretending your are the end-all-be-all. Starts off with "I didn't see the guy or the crash" and then goes into "he wasn't skilled enough" so he died?? What a tub of shit that ryno guy is.

I agree with what most people in here have already said.. you had a day to think about your idiotic rant that is 100% ASSUMING, and still posted it. He needs to take more lessons and not just riding lessons.. I dont think he's bold for using this to sell coaching and training sessions, I think he's just spare parts.
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11/7/2020 12:18pm
Why do we as human always look for the bad in everyone? What some of us fail to recognize is that we are all guilty and all hypocrites. Instead of extracting the good and lifting someone up we'd rather pick them apart and kill their spirit.
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If your riding a sand-wash and you come across a downed rider, you immediately tend to the rider and get help accordingly. We help the rider not knowing his personal beliefs, his history..maybe he has a criminal record and if we did know all of this we'd still help the injured rider. Why? Because we all know that could be us layed out injured, its what makes us all moto-brothers. Yet in the sand-wash of life we leave so many riders behind. The hate and unforgivable attitude we show each other is sad. Today, lets work on spreading the love, even to those who don't know how to love us back.
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Ryno's rant didn't come at the right time for most (especially because the crash had nothing to do with the rider's level, he was fast and experienced). But I think he is right on most points. I would even add that tracks should be slowed down and big jumps reduced, unless it is a pro track only (plus removing piles of rocks, water pits, atv, and all those extra hazards). Mandatory protections for all too, especially the pros who gives a pass to amateurs for not wearing them. A long list of safety actions could never stop injuries or fatalities, but it could reduce it, it is also during these tough times that we could also look at the miror and see what it is possible to do to not be in this situation again .... and again ...

RIP and my thoughts go to his family, very sincere condoleances.
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11/7/2020 1:11pm Edited Date/Time 11/7/2020 1:13pm
Ryno is correct in his assessment, especially since its fucking harsh.

My Condolences to Chris OW and his family, dealing with such a tragedy.

Now Going forward he's 100% correct about the desensitization of the riders who were at the facility, Why the fuck were they asking if they were going to clear the track and let them ride again that day??... WTF, That tells me alot about the individuals involved in this sport and it pissed me off too.

He probably jumped to conclusion on the level of riding the downed rider had. Which is understandable when your late to a scene.


Not to be an asshole, but this sport does need more regulation of itself.... It is a very very "personal freedom" shit that causes these specific type of arguments.
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11/7/2020 1:32pm
It didn’t seem like Ryno was busting on this guy particularly, in the the title of this thread implies he was “busting on this sport”

The last time I was at 3 Palms in Houston, 35 year old guy unloaded his new to him used 450 bike that he had ridden for the first time (never had ridden a bike before, just street bikes) 3 turns later broke his shoulder!

People can be a lot safer inching into the sport!
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11/7/2020 1:48pm
Everyone has a tough guy mentality in the sport, discussing anything to make it safer is a threat to the ego it seems.

He wasn’t attacking the downed rider, he was trying to make sure we all use this as a wake up call so that we aren’t next.

This shit is serious, and needs to be treated as such.

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11/7/2020 1:59pm
Please cut the guy some slack... he was emotionally affected by witnessing someone pass away and it affects you by every emotion. Anger, sadness, dismay... hopelessness! I unfortunately have witnessed a death happen right in front of me at a track and next to me during deployments and it takes a piece of you if you are any kind of a human being. I can close my eyes and still see everyone of them like it was yesterday.

Just cut him some slack for being emotional about something that is appropriate to be emotional about.
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11/7/2020 2:21pm Edited Date/Time 11/7/2020 2:23pm
I like Ryan, and think he is genuinely concerned for the safety of riders, but Moto Moses needs to back off the preaching a notch or two, and stop judging others.

A man died, and there is a time and place for everything, and Ryan's rant perhaps had well intentions, but bad timing.

RIP to a fellow motocrosser. Prayers for your family.
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11/7/2020 2:57pm
yz133rider wrote:
Everyone has a tough guy mentality in the sport, discussing anything to make it safer is a threat to the ego it seems. He wasn’t attacking...
Everyone has a tough guy mentality in the sport, discussing anything to make it safer is a threat to the ego it seems.

He wasn’t attacking the downed rider, he was trying to make sure we all use this as a wake up call so that we aren’t next.

This shit is serious, and needs to be treated as such.

I would say that Ryan should have taken a breath and composed himself before that rant, it was insensitive to the rider that passed and his family.

I understand Hughes' passion, but no one wants to hear angry ranting on anything this tragic involving anyone who has passed like this. He needs to remember he is a teacher and also someone that a lot of people look up to, and hopefully he will remember that when he posts to his 112,000 followers.

His point was completely valid - that this sport can have serious consequences for anyone unprepared, but I think if he acted a little more level headed he wouldn't be getting so much criticism.


Godspeed to Chris Ow and prayers to his family.
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11/7/2020 3:01pm Edited Date/Time 11/7/2020 3:03pm
yz133rider wrote:
Everyone has a tough guy mentality in the sport, discussing anything to make it safer is a threat to the ego it seems. He wasn’t attacking...
Everyone has a tough guy mentality in the sport, discussing anything to make it safer is a threat to the ego it seems.

He wasn’t attacking the downed rider, he was trying to make sure we all use this as a wake up call so that we aren’t next.

This shit is serious, and needs to be treated as such.

Brent wrote:
I would say that Ryan should have taken a breath and composed himself before that rant, it was insensitive to the rider that passed and his...
I would say that Ryan should have taken a breath and composed himself before that rant, it was insensitive to the rider that passed and his family.

I understand Hughes' passion, but no one wants to hear angry ranting on anything this tragic involving anyone who has passed like this. He needs to remember he is a teacher and also someone that a lot of people look up to, and hopefully he will remember that when he posts to his 112,000 followers.

His point was completely valid - that this sport can have serious consequences for anyone unprepared, but I think if he acted a little more level headed he wouldn't be getting so much criticism.


Godspeed to Chris Ow and prayers to his family.
I don’t disagree with you, but he’s not running for office, or for miss America , he’s just another dude in the sport who’s passionate as any of us. He’s allowed to be rough around the edges as we all are. I do get some of the criticism but there’s plenty of good to take away from what he’s saying and just move on you know?
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11/7/2020 3:04pm
yz133rider wrote:
Everyone has a tough guy mentality in the sport, discussing anything to make it safer is a threat to the ego it seems. He wasn’t attacking...
Everyone has a tough guy mentality in the sport, discussing anything to make it safer is a threat to the ego it seems.

He wasn’t attacking the downed rider, he was trying to make sure we all use this as a wake up call so that we aren’t next.

This shit is serious, and needs to be treated as such.

Brent wrote:
I would say that Ryan should have taken a breath and composed himself before that rant, it was insensitive to the rider that passed and his...
I would say that Ryan should have taken a breath and composed himself before that rant, it was insensitive to the rider that passed and his family.

I understand Hughes' passion, but no one wants to hear angry ranting on anything this tragic involving anyone who has passed like this. He needs to remember he is a teacher and also someone that a lot of people look up to, and hopefully he will remember that when he posts to his 112,000 followers.

His point was completely valid - that this sport can have serious consequences for anyone unprepared, but I think if he acted a little more level headed he wouldn't be getting so much criticism.


Godspeed to Chris Ow and prayers to his family.
yz133rider wrote:
I don’t disagree with you, but he’s not running for office, or for miss America , he’s just another dude in the sport who’s passionate as...
I don’t disagree with you, but he’s not running for office, or for miss America , he’s just another dude in the sport who’s passionate as any of us. He’s allowed to be rough around the edges as we all are. I do get some of the criticism but there’s plenty of good to take away from what he’s saying and just move on you know?
And with that, comes constructive criticism. Hopefully he learns from it, the second video he posted seems to show that he knows he could've approached this better.
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11/7/2020 3:20pm
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So it’s the guys fault for not being good enough got it ryno.
No, his point is considering how dangerous this sport is people don't take it serious enough. That is the point of his video.
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11/7/2020 4:30pm
I take Ryno w a grain of salt but he does know what he's talking about. He chose the wrong time to make his point but a lot of its correct.

If you go skiing there are very organized and effective lessons that mostly everyone takes. But you go to a track and there isn't any mention of coaches or lessons. It is a very under emphasized part of moto.
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11/7/2020 4:41pm
Sprew wrote:
Earth to Ryno..... Still a free country.
Prolly won’t be for long...
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11/7/2020 4:56pm Edited Date/Time 11/9/2020 11:16am
Ryno may have more “wisdom” then any of us will ever learn... but I guess having some “class” is something ryno can’t be taught. I liked rynos company, intensity, and off the wall thinking... up until now. That’s the last thing Chris Ows friends or family needs is having to hear about someone like ryno putting this poor dead man on blast. Show some respect and save that for one of your coaching sessions at the very least ryno. Your Instagram is NO place for any of that unless you are just a complete low class human being which turns out you are. And for those saying “he saw a dead body it can make you react some sort of way” is total BULLSHIT. I’ve been in that position, seen both a friend and a family member pass away in front of my eyes...if anything it should only make you more sensitive to how traumatic that experience is and how it requires nothing but the upmost respect to that persons memory. Cause to those that loved Chris Ow right now is a feeling of hurt so bad it can’t even be explained in words. Ryno did nothing but make a bad situation that much worse for them with this post. What a shame on Ryno and his company. Makes me look at his intentions much differently. Turns a tragedy into self promotion.

Godspeed Chris Ow - thoughts and prayers sent from New York to all who loved him. Very sorry
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11/7/2020 7:39pm Edited Date/Time 11/7/2020 7:41pm
yz133rider wrote:
Everyone has a tough guy mentality in the sport, discussing anything to make it safer is a threat to the ego it seems. He wasn’t attacking...
Everyone has a tough guy mentality in the sport, discussing anything to make it safer is a threat to the ego it seems.

He wasn’t attacking the downed rider, he was trying to make sure we all use this as a wake up call so that we aren’t next.

This shit is serious, and needs to be treated as such.

Did listening to that result in you contacting him or another school for training? Not trying to be a dick, just wondering.

He said himself he didn’t see the crash so anything he had to say was 100% misplaced. Make comments about people needing training on his own time, not piggy back on a fellow riders death.
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