What we learned from these year mxdn

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9/29/2019 12:17pm
The US should just send mud specialist because it seems like every year it rains and the track turns into a sloppy shit-show.

The track crew were on point...

Netherlands is going to be tough to beat in the next few years.

MXGP Camera crew should use Rain-X on their cameras or put those guys under canopies. (Come on Luongo.)

Paul Malin does an amazing job as always.

Jeff Emig has lap times on lock.

JT$ should join Weege and GL in the booth next year.



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9/29/2019 12:25pm
We learned that we sent 3 Americans there and they gave it their all. Considering the crash, rain and sand they should hold their heads high. They finished pretty well considering.
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9/29/2019 12:29pm Edited Date/Time 9/29/2019 12:29pm
captmoto wrote:
I don't see how. We don[t have the heart for it. SX will prevent from ever improving at MX on the world stage. Nobody wants to...
I don't see how. We don[t have the heart for it. SX will prevent from ever improving at MX on the world stage. Nobody wants to be a world champ. Any Americans over there now are there because they can't get a ride here. What was What is Coopers excuse int he second moto? Zach was awesome in moto 1 then hovered in 16-15th.
I admire Coopers, Andersons and Osbornes commitment but we won't really be a player on the world stage again. We may see the occasional podium but that's about it.
One day luck is on there side again and they will. You guys having a few bad years but it will come back. It always does.

And for Cooper i really believe he hurt his arm/hand. I saw him riding that good and easy on saturday and in the warm up mud. After that it was different en he looked off. He hurt him self and thats not an excuse IMO. You cant go from being one of the fastest guys out there to being a backmarker that quick.

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9/29/2019 12:45pm
We learned that Jason Anderson is sick of getting landed on and hit at this event.
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9/29/2019 12:45pm
There's nothing to be learned that we didn't already know. We knew we were good enough to podium and that if you're good enough to podium that there's a chance for a win if things go bad for the best team. That didn't happen, and we knew that we couldn't afford bad luck or for things to go wrong. That happened.
To some degree we make our own luck, so there's no need in saying how things would have turned out "if" certain things hadn't happened. We will never know, and this is just how it turned out. There's always next year, and U.S. riders proved that they are contenders on any track at any time, but just like with everyone else.....they can't afford big mistakes or bad luck.
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9/29/2019 12:49pm
VetMX.com wrote:
We learned that we sent 3 Americans there and they gave it their all. Considering the crash, rain and sand they should hold their heads high...
We learned that we sent 3 Americans there and they gave it their all. Considering the crash, rain and sand they should hold their heads high. They finished pretty well considering.
Amen brother, amen.
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9/29/2019 12:49pm
I learned that Glenn Coldenhoff has a dime piece cheering hm on, and she looks fire even in rain gear.
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9/29/2019 12:50pm
We didn't really learn anything. The conditions made for a shit show. Torrential rain and a messy sand track didn't show us who 95% of the time are the fastest riders on either side of the pond. It did show us that sand specialists that ride in the rain and sand a lot were faster on this track but that's about it. There are numerous examples of riders who finished ahead of other riders who beat them by a minute plus in decent conditions. There is no need to come up with "what we learned" and draw conclusions about who is faster in a race like this. It's just not logical
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9/29/2019 1:11pm
karsmakers wrote:
We didn't really learn anything. The conditions made for a shit show. Torrential rain and a messy sand track didn't show us who 95% of the...
We didn't really learn anything. The conditions made for a shit show. Torrential rain and a messy sand track didn't show us who 95% of the time are the fastest riders on either side of the pond. It did show us that sand specialists that ride in the rain and sand a lot were faster on this track but that's about it. There are numerous examples of riders who finished ahead of other riders who beat them by a minute plus in decent conditions. There is no need to come up with "what we learned" and draw conclusions about who is faster in a race like this. It's just not logical
Finally! Spot on.
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9/29/2019 1:18pm
No surprises really, although I'm stoked with how well Australia done, Kyle WEBSTER AND Regan Duffy were great while they were upright. I had never heard of them last week, now i'm a fan.
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9/29/2019 1:21pm
No surprises really, although I'm stoked with how well Australia done, Kyle WEBSTER AND Regan Duffy were great while they were upright. I had never heard...
No surprises really, although I'm stoked with how well Australia done, Kyle WEBSTER AND Regan Duffy were great while they were upright. I had never heard of them last week, now i'm a fan.
how well Australia did*
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9/29/2019 1:23pm
captmoto wrote:
I don't see how. We don[t have the heart for it. SX will prevent from ever improving at MX on the world stage. Nobody wants to...
I don't see how. We don[t have the heart for it. SX will prevent from ever improving at MX on the world stage. Nobody wants to be a world champ. Any Americans over there now are there because they can't get a ride here. What was What is Coopers excuse int he second moto? Zach was awesome in moto 1 then hovered in 16-15th.
I admire Coopers, Andersons and Osbornes commitment but we won't really be a player on the world stage again. We may see the occasional podium but that's about it.
You sound like such an idiot.
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9/29/2019 1:23pm Edited Date/Time 9/29/2019 1:24pm
No surprises really, although I'm stoked with how well Australia done, Kyle WEBSTER AND Regan Duffy were great while they were upright. I had never heard...
No surprises really, although I'm stoked with how well Australia done, Kyle WEBSTER AND Regan Duffy were great while they were upright. I had never heard of them last week, now i'm a fan.
how well Australia did*
Thank you, you have changed my life.

How well Australia did* Smile
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9/29/2019 1:32pm
captmoto wrote:
I don't see how. We don[t have the heart for it. SX will prevent from ever improving at MX on the world stage. Nobody wants to...
I don't see how. We don[t have the heart for it. SX will prevent from ever improving at MX on the world stage. Nobody wants to be a world champ. Any Americans over there now are there because they can't get a ride here. What was What is Coopers excuse int he second moto? Zach was awesome in moto 1 then hovered in 16-15th.
I admire Coopers, Andersons and Osbornes commitment but we won't really be a player on the world stage again. We may see the occasional podium but that's about it.
Rab wrote:
You sound like such an idiot.
I second that
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9/29/2019 1:41pm
Bidirella wrote:
They will
captmoto wrote:
I don't see how. We don[t have the heart for it. SX will prevent from ever improving at MX on the world stage. Nobody wants to...
I don't see how. We don[t have the heart for it. SX will prevent from ever improving at MX on the world stage. Nobody wants to be a world champ. Any Americans over there now are there because they can't get a ride here. What was What is Coopers excuse int he second moto? Zach was awesome in moto 1 then hovered in 16-15th.
I admire Coopers, Andersons and Osbornes commitment but we won't really be a player on the world stage again. We may see the occasional podium but that's about it.
I don’t understand how you can say they don’t have the heart for it. If there’s one thing Team USA showed today it was heart. Both Cooper and Anderson showed a lot of heart in that first moto. Shit just went sideways on the day.
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cody41
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9/29/2019 1:50pm
The USA needs more sand tracks.
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9/29/2019 1:52pm
roninho wrote:
What we have learned is that the guy who has won 4 MXoN motos in a row, finished 3rd in the MXGP championship and won 2...
What we have learned is that the guy who has won 4 MXoN motos in a row, finished 3rd in the MXGP championship and won 2 GPs this year while breaking his back in the offseason is not on a factory ride....
Who do you have him replace, Herlings, Cairoli or Prado? As I would put money on him finishing behind them in the mxgp next season. If all stay fit
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9/29/2019 2:04pm
BRAAAAAAP wrote:
Mxgp 2020 is gonna be sick

Cairoli, gajser, herlings, coldenhoff and prado can all battle for the tittle. Lets hope they all stay healthy
Prado gonna be in a great position every moto since it sure seems like he's gonna have the same starts on the 450. Damn that kids trigger finger is sick
9/29/2019 2:06pm
I learned that Glenn Coldenhoff has a dime piece cheering hm on, and she looks fire even in rain gear.

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9/29/2019 2:09pm
karsmakers wrote:
We didn't really learn anything. The conditions made for a shit show. Torrential rain and a messy sand track didn't show us who 95% of the...
We didn't really learn anything. The conditions made for a shit show. Torrential rain and a messy sand track didn't show us who 95% of the time are the fastest riders on either side of the pond. It did show us that sand specialists that ride in the rain and sand a lot were faster on this track but that's about it. There are numerous examples of riders who finished ahead of other riders who beat them by a minute plus in decent conditions. There is no need to come up with "what we learned" and draw conclusions about who is faster in a race like this. It's just not logical
No way...most of your post is BS. Gajser is no sand specialist by any means, if anything, he is a hard pack specialist...Im not even go in to the debate, but if we learned anything as this USA winless streak is going on, is that a lot of American fans are just sore losers. Sorry.

When the USA was winning, everyone was on board and Des Nations was the holy grail of motocross. Now that USA is not winning, all the tracks are shit, Des Nations race is shit, it makes no sense to go racing, there's no reward, our boys just better stay home blah blah blah....

Look, USA will win again, sooner rather than later. The track is the same for everyone and the best always beat adversity and rise to the top. Dont be a sore loser.

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9/29/2019 2:12pm
We learned that Zach Osbourne, who is a high salaried 14-year experienced pro rider, trained by world renowned Aldon Baker and provided with the highest level of technical support, multiple weeks of testing and best equipment possible by the KTM/Husqvarna global factory effort.....

....got smoked in his qualifying race, Race 2 and Race 3 by Harri Kulas from Estonia who had finished 23rd, 24th, 29th and 34th in the MXGP championship the last 4 years. Was further defeated by and enduro rider from Great Britain in the last moto and turned slower best lap times than Hakon Fredriksen and Henrik Wahl of Norway.

Further we learned that people do not appreciate harsh truths and an honest assesment of facts to critique a performance.
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9/29/2019 2:12pm
we need 3 riders that can get top 10, same as last year. If cooper holeshots moto 1, we may have had a podium. He deserves revenge next year.
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We learned that Zach Osbourne, who is a high salaried 14-year experienced pro rider, trained by world renowned Aldon Baker and provided with the highest level...
We learned that Zach Osbourne, who is a high salaried 14-year experienced pro rider, trained by world renowned Aldon Baker and provided with the highest level of technical support, multiple weeks of testing and best equipment possible by the KTM/Husqvarna global factory effort.....

....got smoked in his qualifying race, Race 2 and Race 3 by Harri Kulas from Estonia who had finished 23rd, 24th, 29th and 34th in the MXGP championship the last 4 years. Was further defeated by and enduro rider from Great Britain in the last moto and turned slower best lap times than Hakon Fredriksen and Henrik Wahl of Norway.

Further we learned that people do not appreciate harsh truths and an honest assesment of facts to critique a performance.
Osborne wasn’t good all weekend that’s for sure
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9/29/2019 4:40pm
ktmfun219 wrote:
To send our best mudder GNCC team of Russell, Duvall and Kelley.
the UK will counter that with Watson, Jarvis and Walker
great minds think alike.
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9/29/2019 5:08pm
Wells423 wrote:
We learned the USA will never win one of these fucking things again.
JFerry wrote:
Your remark is sopt on. Kawa said no already. Who´s going to volunteer coming years?. It it was my business, I would say too much effort...
Your remark is sopt on. Kawa said no already. Who´s going to volunteer coming years?.
It it was my business, I would say too much effort for too little reward. And Renee or Ernee o whatever in the north of France can a be a rain hole again.
Fuck Kawasaki! I support the Austrians- give fans a race to watch, sell bikes! Big thumbs up from me!
Kawasaki has to save their money to be able to bring over a European to stay competitive in the US once Tomac is done.

As much as I like AC9 he's a little too injury prone for me to have championship confidence in.
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9/29/2019 6:15pm
We still suck in the Mud. We did then, and we do even more now! Plus the Hoff completely out shinning Herlings in the biggest race of the year again is crazy. Don’t hassle the Hoff!
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9/29/2019 6:17pm
Bidirella wrote:
They will
captmoto wrote:
I don't see how. We don[t have the heart for it. SX will prevent from ever improving at MX on the world stage. Nobody wants to...
I don't see how. We don[t have the heart for it. SX will prevent from ever improving at MX on the world stage. Nobody wants to be a world champ. Any Americans over there now are there because they can't get a ride here. What was What is Coopers excuse int he second moto? Zach was awesome in moto 1 then hovered in 16-15th.
I admire Coopers, Andersons and Osbornes commitment but we won't really be a player on the world stage again. We may see the occasional podium but that's about it.
Calm down Skip Bayless, The Hoff can’t race forever.
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9/29/2019 6:52pm
karsmakers wrote:
We didn't really learn anything. The conditions made for a shit show. Torrential rain and a messy sand track didn't show us who 95% of the...
We didn't really learn anything. The conditions made for a shit show. Torrential rain and a messy sand track didn't show us who 95% of the time are the fastest riders on either side of the pond. It did show us that sand specialists that ride in the rain and sand a lot were faster on this track but that's about it. There are numerous examples of riders who finished ahead of other riders who beat them by a minute plus in decent conditions. There is no need to come up with "what we learned" and draw conclusions about who is faster in a race like this. It's just not logical
six10 wrote:
No way...most of your post is BS. Gajser is no sand specialist by any means, if anything, he is a hard pack specialist...Im not even go...
No way...most of your post is BS. Gajser is no sand specialist by any means, if anything, he is a hard pack specialist...Im not even go in to the debate, but if we learned anything as this USA winless streak is going on, is that a lot of American fans are just sore losers. Sorry.

When the USA was winning, everyone was on board and Des Nations was the holy grail of motocross. Now that USA is not winning, all the tracks are shit, Des Nations race is shit, it makes no sense to go racing, there's no reward, our boys just better stay home blah blah blah....

Look, USA will win again, sooner rather than later. The track is the same for everyone and the best always beat adversity and rise to the top. Dont be a sore loser.

I have been a fan of moto for a long time. The mxon is a great event but not a top three priority to the USA riders. It’s just how it is these days. I for one never downed other countries that didn’t win.
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9/29/2019 7:26pm
We learned that Zach Osbourne, who is a high salaried 14-year experienced pro rider, trained by world renowned Aldon Baker and provided with the highest level...
We learned that Zach Osbourne, who is a high salaried 14-year experienced pro rider, trained by world renowned Aldon Baker and provided with the highest level of technical support, multiple weeks of testing and best equipment possible by the KTM/Husqvarna global factory effort.....

....got smoked in his qualifying race, Race 2 and Race 3 by Harri Kulas from Estonia who had finished 23rd, 24th, 29th and 34th in the MXGP championship the last 4 years. Was further defeated by and enduro rider from Great Britain in the last moto and turned slower best lap times than Hakon Fredriksen and Henrik Wahl of Norway.

Further we learned that people do not appreciate harsh truths and an honest assesment of facts to critique a performance.
There's a difference between "harsh truths" and somebody finding a dick way to make a point.
It's no secret that Americans don't shine in deep sand. Essentially especially deep sand mixed with shit tons of rain. They just don't, and it's because they don't ever race deep sand and encounter less rain on average. Are you saying Husquavarna is just stupid to pay Osborn what they do? That Aldon Baker is a waste of money? What?
Husquavarna pays Zach Osborn to race supercross and ama motocross. Not for mxon and not to be good on deep sand tracks saturated by shit tons of rain.
None of the riders you mention would even be on the same lap with Zach Osborn if it were on any sort of surface or track style that Husky pays Osborn to be good on.
What about all the GP riders who got waxed by Cooper in qualifying race? Cooper is 2/3 supercross rider and only 1/3 motocross rider yet waxed their asses in deep sand. What about all those that Anderson passed to get 5th with a 31st gate pick in deep sand? Doesn't say much for those guys does it? Since Anderson is also 2/3 supercross and 1/3 motocross who had only 3 weeks of deep sand training his entire career.
Americans excel in certain things and aren't so great in other things. Using results from a water logged, deep sand race to paint American riders as pitiful as you are is bullshit. It's biased assholes like you who keep euros and Americans at odds.
This was the type of track the mxon was held on and the weather that occurred. The results are what they are and without the incident in moto 1, we had a shot at a podium. That's about it, but shit went wrong and we didn't have the speed to overcome things like that in that weather on they surface. In no way does that mean American riders are undeserving of what they get paid or that they wouldn't smoke the shit out of the guys you mention if those guys came and raced on the tracks where Osborn is paid to race. Criticism and harsh truths are cool, but biased bashing is bullshit.
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9/29/2019 7:41pm Edited Date/Time 9/29/2019 7:42pm
What I learned: The winners on the day were the Netherlands and Giuseppe Luongo. He put a race in a paved moto stadium, probably charged a shitload of money for tickets, swindled a bunch of international viewers for absolutely abysmal coverage, and built a dog of a track that was GUARANTEED to be awful if it was wet (nowhere to drain). I'm sure it was great for his VIP sponsors to have the luxury boxes while the paying fans were kept far away from the action in a grandstand. Whatever, doesn't matter as long as the bottom line looks good. I'm sure Luongo is drinking a negroni and lighting some of the money on fire to keep warm tonight. Eff you Youthstream. You ruin this sport.
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