If aluminium frames are cheaper why does the KLX 300

dirtwalker
Edited Date/Time 6/21/2019 10:04am
Have a steel frame?
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Jeff_Crutcher 6/20/2019 5:51am
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You just haven’t been around a while. It’s new plastics, updated swing arm, suspension, etc. but it certainly appears to be a reintroduction on the old model.

That’s why it has a steel frame. It’s an updated bike that required zero retooling.





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I may be in the minority here, but I think the older model is the better looking bike.
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I thought the "300" stood for it's weight!

287 dry according the the spec's...
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racerxx276 wrote:
I thought the "300" stood for it's weight!

287 dry according the the spec's...
Or .300 horsepower
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It's a decent priced starter bike for noobs who don't know any better, and want a new bike. I'm ok with that regardless of frame material. I prefer steel frames mainly for ease of maintenance.
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Dirty Points 6/20/2019 7:17am
6/20/2019 7:17am Edited Date/Time 6/20/2019 7:24am
dirtwalker wrote:
Have a steel frame?
The 230 is all-new, though, as is the CRF250F, which comes with a aluminum-painted steel perimeter frame, and the CRF250L, which comes with a tensile steel frame with box-style spars to mimick the look of Honda's aluminum frame models.
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mikec265 wrote:
It's a decent priced starter bike for noobs who don't know any better, and want a new bike. I'm ok with that regardless of frame material...
It's a decent priced starter bike for noobs who don't know any better, and want a new bike. I'm ok with that regardless of frame material. I prefer steel frames mainly for ease of maintenance.
I thought it was more modern like the old crf250x than a reissue of the 90s bike. If you look closely it appears the subframe is not removable. I bought a xr250 a few years ago for a little over 1k to use as a mud/beater/loaner bike which serves its purpose well with all the damn rain we've been getting. Those old school 4 strokes are tanks; heavy and slow and run forever.
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Oh man, liquid cooled thumper! Such horsepowers it must have to keep chilled.

I remember the old KLX looking so much racier among the sea of XRs and DRs
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mxcolin wrote:
I may be in the minority here, but I think the older model is the better looking bike.
I agree . But I guess if you wanted too you could hang the new bodywork on the old model ? With no e start and FI it should be lighter also.
Jeremy Macbeth 6/20/2019 7:43am
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Aluminum melting point: 1221°F
Steel melting point: 2500°F
Jet fuel burn temp: 1517°F

Any remaining questions as to why steel frames are superior?
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Jmicmoto13 6/20/2019 7:48am
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Jeremy Macbeth wrote:
Aluminum melting point: 1221°F
Steel melting point: 2500°F
Jet fuel burn temp: 1517°F

Any remaining questions as to why steel frames are superior?
Yes, What do melting points have to do with frame strength on a motocross bike?
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Jeremy Macbeth wrote:
Aluminum melting point: 1221°F
Steel melting point: 2500°F
Jet fuel burn temp: 1517°F

Any remaining questions as to why steel frames are superior?
Jmicmoto13 wrote:
Yes, What do melting points have to do with frame strength on a motocross bike?
It was a 9/11 joke
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Jeremy Macbeth wrote:
Aluminum melting point: 1221°F
Steel melting point: 2500°F
Jet fuel burn temp: 1517°F

Any remaining questions as to why steel frames are superior?
Jmicmoto13 wrote:
Yes, What do melting points have to do with frame strength on a motocross bike?
If you burn your bike with jet fuel the steel is better. Don't you know anything?
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Dirty Points 6/20/2019 7:56am
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Jeremy Macbeth wrote:
Aluminum melting point: 1221°F
Steel melting point: 2500°F
Jet fuel burn temp: 1517°F

Any remaining questions as to why steel frames are superior?
Jmicmoto13 wrote:
Yes, What do melting points have to do with frame strength on a motocross bike?
Duh. Obviously, wrought Iron is the way to go since it has a higher melting point than steel.
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Jmicmoto13 6/20/2019 7:58am
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Jeremy Macbeth wrote:
Aluminum melting point: 1221°F
Steel melting point: 2500°F
Jet fuel burn temp: 1517°F

Any remaining questions as to why steel frames are superior?
Jmicmoto13 wrote:
Yes, What do melting points have to do with frame strength on a motocross bike?
kb228 wrote:
It was a 9/11 joke
That was my fear at first glance of your comment.
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I don’t know the answer to the question. But I’d like to have one around to play on.
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They had a lot left over from the 90's?
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They had a lot left over from the 90's?
FTE never fails to deliver
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Older bike graphics and styling looks better.. I'm sure there will be TJ retro kits for them.

I thought the 300 stood for 300hrs...
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A liquid cooled, fuel injected XR, at a reasonable price. This is a very good thing for the off road sport. I kind of want one.
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dirtwalker wrote:
Have a steel frame?
'Cause they ain't cheaper. Why the heck is there a rumor that they are cheaper? LOL.
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Jeff_Crutcher wrote:
You just haven’t been around a while. It’s new plastics, updated swing arm, suspension, etc. but it certainly appears to be a reintroduction on the old...
You just haven’t been around a while. It’s new plastics, updated swing arm, suspension, etc. but it certainly appears to be a reintroduction on the old model.

That’s why it has a steel frame. It’s an updated bike that required zero retooling.





I wonder what Kawasaki would think about bringing back other models that require zero retooling? Practically the same target audience. Someone who wants to ride for fun on something entry level, inexpensive and easy to maintain but won't be very competitive against their other offerings. It even has a steel frame..

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Dirty Points 6/20/2019 10:57am
6/20/2019 10:57am Edited Date/Time 6/20/2019 12:04pm
Jeff_Crutcher wrote:
You just haven’t been around a while. It’s new plastics, updated swing arm, suspension, etc. but it certainly appears to be a reintroduction on the old...
You just haven’t been around a while. It’s new plastics, updated swing arm, suspension, etc. but it certainly appears to be a reintroduction on the old model.

That’s why it has a steel frame. It’s an updated bike that required zero retooling.





CivBars wrote:
I wonder what Kawasaki would think about bringing back other models that require zero retooling? Practically the same target audience. Someone who wants to ride for...
I wonder what Kawasaki would think about bringing back other models that require zero retooling? Practically the same target audience. Someone who wants to ride for fun on something entry level, inexpensive and easy to maintain but won't be very competitive against their other offerings. It even has a steel frame..

Thr klx is pretty much a model that they are currently producing engines and chassis for globally in large numbers. They are just parts-binning for this "new" model.





https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kawasaki_Ninja_250SL
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CivBars wrote:
I wonder what Kawasaki would think about bringing back other models that require zero retooling? Practically the same target audience. Someone who wants to ride for...
I wonder what Kawasaki would think about bringing back other models that require zero retooling? Practically the same target audience. Someone who wants to ride for fun on something entry level, inexpensive and easy to maintain but won't be very competitive against their other offerings. It even has a steel frame..

I would be shocked if Kawasaki has kept production tooling laying around for 15 years.

That being said...If a new KX125 came out I would be first in line. Wishful thinking Sideways
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CivBars wrote:
I wonder what Kawasaki would think about bringing back other models that require zero retooling? Practically the same target audience. Someone who wants to ride for...
I wonder what Kawasaki would think about bringing back other models that require zero retooling? Practically the same target audience. Someone who wants to ride for fun on something entry level, inexpensive and easy to maintain but won't be very competitive against their other offerings. It even has a steel frame..

Markopolo400 wrote:
I would be shocked if Kawasaki has kept production tooling laying around for 15 years. That being said...If a new KX125 came out I would be...
I would be shocked if Kawasaki has kept production tooling laying around for 15 years.

That being said...If a new KX125 came out I would be first in line. Wishful thinking Sideways
Not sure about the bike mfgs, but car ones do. Every so often they put the tools back in the presses to make replacement parts.
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RoflCopter726 6/20/2019 12:47pm
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CivBars wrote:
I wonder what Kawasaki would think about bringing back other models that require zero retooling? Practically the same target audience. Someone who wants to ride for...
I wonder what Kawasaki would think about bringing back other models that require zero retooling? Practically the same target audience. Someone who wants to ride for fun on something entry level, inexpensive and easy to maintain but won't be very competitive against their other offerings. It even has a steel frame..

Yeah, if Kawi brought back the last gen of 2 Strokes I'd buy a 250 day one.
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CivBars wrote:
I wonder what Kawasaki would think about bringing back other models that require zero retooling? Practically the same target audience. Someone who wants to ride for...
I wonder what Kawasaki would think about bringing back other models that require zero retooling? Practically the same target audience. Someone who wants to ride for fun on something entry level, inexpensive and easy to maintain but won't be very competitive against their other offerings. It even has a steel frame..

Markopolo400 wrote:
I would be shocked if Kawasaki has kept production tooling laying around for 15 years. That being said...If a new KX125 came out I would be...
I would be shocked if Kawasaki has kept production tooling laying around for 15 years.

That being said...If a new KX125 came out I would be first in line. Wishful thinking Sideways
kb228 wrote:
Not sure about the bike mfgs, but car ones do. Every so often they put the tools back in the presses to make replacement parts.
You can buy oem replacement parts for almost any last gen 2 stroke from any manufacturer, maybe not the frame. Honda, Suzuki, Kawasaki have the ability to pull a Yamaha.
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Didn't Honda obsolete CR250 cylinders years ago? CR500 cases have been worth their weight in gold for like a decade. It's almost literally worth buying a CR500 just for the cases. At one point someone was making/selling billet cases just so people could get something.
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Didn't Honda obsolete CR250 cylinders years ago? CR500 cases have been worth their weight in gold for like a decade. It's almost literally worth buying a...
Didn't Honda obsolete CR250 cylinders years ago? CR500 cases have been worth their weight in gold for like a decade. It's almost literally worth buying a CR500 just for the cases. At one point someone was making/selling billet cases just so people could get something.
05-07 cr250 cylinders and head are in stock on motosport.com. I believe they obsoleted the steel frame cylinder so people would forget how great Honda was when MC rode for them Laughing
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Ahhhh so they only ditched the older non-servo style. I swear if you don't want to invest in a 401k, or gold, or guns/ammo, stock up on CR250/500 engine parts.

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