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6/2/2019 10:10am
bents wrote:
Question-what the hell would you do if you accidentally got bit by a rattlesnake out on a trail be it mountain bike or dirt bike?
1) Remain calm, don't get the heat rate up. About 50% of bites are dry bites. I have a good buddy that got bit and it was a dry bite. Statistically, about half don't inject venom.

2) You have about 3-4 hours to get medical treatment before it can be life threatening, unless you have an allergic reaction, and in that case, say a prayer.

3) Whatever you do, don't "suck out the poison" - or have a buddy suck it out.Woohoo That doesn't work. also, do not use a turnicate (sp?). This will concentrate the poison in the area which could lead to localized severe damage and thus potential amputation once you get the the hospital. Just leave the bite alone and do #2 and #4.

4) Best thing to do is hydrate, hydrate, hydrate and keep your heart rate down as much as possible to minimize pumping the poison throughout your body. The venom will dehydrate you fast as will your anxiety. Just keep drinking water and get to a hospital as soon as possible.

Most people don't die from rattlesnake bites. But the pain is brutal (if you get some venom). I have had 2 buddies get bit, both in the leg. One was hunting the other was hiking. One was a dry bite, the other was not. He was laid up from work for about 6 months. He said the pain was excruciating.
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6/2/2019 10:33am
Drtbykr wrote:
Funny, I surveyed for years, been real close to bears, never really flinched. Stepped on a nest of little garder snakes and race prime Carl Lewis...
Funny, I surveyed for years, been real close to bears, never really flinched. Stepped on a nest of little garder snakes and race prime Carl Lewis times down the line in jeans and work boots.

It F’ing FEAR! Moose r no joke either obviously.

Would love the riding though, saw the desert for the first time going to GCNP after the MEC.
Beautiful, loved the desert. Adventure bikes make sense there.
Natural instinct....

Snakes are one of the few animals that all babies fear.... It is in our dna ....
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Drtbykr wrote:
Funny, I surveyed for years, been real close to bears, never really flinched. Stepped on a nest of little garder snakes and race prime Carl Lewis...
Funny, I surveyed for years, been real close to bears, never really flinched. Stepped on a nest of little garder snakes and race prime Carl Lewis times down the line in jeans and work boots.

It F’ing FEAR! Moose r no joke either obviously.

Would love the riding though, saw the desert for the first time going to GCNP after the MEC.
Beautiful, loved the desert. Adventure bikes make sense there.
gt80rider wrote:
Natural instinct....

Snakes are one of the few animals that all babies fear.... It is in our dna ....
I think there was actually a study proving that wrong. Fear of snakes is taught/learned. We do have remnants of a fear of birds/overhead shadows from way back when there were birds big enough to eat us.

Edit: after a little research, we are more likely to develop a fear of snakes/spiders, as opposed to any other random object/creature, but it isn't hard wired into our DNA.
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One of the most important cogs in the circle of life.
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6/2/2019 3:50pm
Drtbykr wrote:
Funny, I surveyed for years, been real close to bears, never really flinched. Stepped on a nest of little garder snakes and race prime Carl Lewis...
Funny, I surveyed for years, been real close to bears, never really flinched. Stepped on a nest of little garder snakes and race prime Carl Lewis times down the line in jeans and work boots.

It F’ing FEAR! Moose r no joke either obviously.

Would love the riding though, saw the desert for the first time going to GCNP after the MEC.
Beautiful, loved the desert. Adventure bikes make sense there.
gt80rider wrote:
Natural instinct....

Snakes are one of the few animals that all babies fear.... It is in our dna ....
davis224 wrote:
I think there was actually a study proving that wrong. Fear of snakes is taught/learned. We do have remnants of a fear of birds/overhead shadows from...
I think there was actually a study proving that wrong. Fear of snakes is taught/learned. We do have remnants of a fear of birds/overhead shadows from way back when there were birds big enough to eat us.

Edit: after a little research, we are more likely to develop a fear of snakes/spiders, as opposed to any other random object/creature, but it isn't hard wired into our DNA.
I don't care if it's instinctual or taught...my fear is real. I don't hate 'em but I'm damn sure skeered of 'em. The only time I kill them is when they get in the house. We don't have any rattlers around here but there is only one kind of snake...the rattleheaded copper moccasin.Sad
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gt80rider wrote:
Natural instinct....

Snakes are one of the few animals that all babies fear.... It is in our dna ....
davis224 wrote:
I think there was actually a study proving that wrong. Fear of snakes is taught/learned. We do have remnants of a fear of birds/overhead shadows from...
I think there was actually a study proving that wrong. Fear of snakes is taught/learned. We do have remnants of a fear of birds/overhead shadows from way back when there were birds big enough to eat us.

Edit: after a little research, we are more likely to develop a fear of snakes/spiders, as opposed to any other random object/creature, but it isn't hard wired into our DNA.
plowboy wrote:
I don't care if it's instinctual or taught...my fear is real. I don't hate 'em but I'm damn sure skeered of 'em. The only time I...
I don't care if it's instinctual or taught...my fear is real. I don't hate 'em but I'm damn sure skeered of 'em. The only time I kill them is when they get in the house. We don't have any rattlers around here but there is only one kind of snake...the rattleheaded copper moccasin.Sad
I've never been afraid of snakes for some reason, but when I was younger I was cripplingly afraid of spiders! Slowly getting over it, trying not to kill every spider I see in my house! If they're there, it's because they have something to eat, and I guess they're helping out. Unless they're big and they scare me.
6/2/2019 5:37pm
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If you're scared of snakes you better stay away from my place






Those aren't snakes...
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6/2/2019 6:44pm Edited Date/Time 6/2/2019 6:45pm
Or the So Cal deserts! Brings back memories of my first year racing, before MX tracks started to pop up all over. It was a hare n hound race n Lucerne Valley. One of those where hundreds of bikes were lined up in a row and once the flag dropped you would race to the smoke bomb. So seconds before the flag drops a rider about 10 bikes away dropped his bike and ran like hell. The starter wondered WTF was going on and he strolls over to the dropped bike, reaches down and is holding a rattler by the tail! He starts swinging that fucker over his head in circles and then throws him out in the bushes, right where all these bikes were ready to head towards! So I’m a 12 year old kid who’s nervous as hell right before the start and now I’m sitting there scared to death of the damn snakes I might come across. Hate those things
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6/2/2019 11:01pm
You know that they only have those in the Arizona desert????????
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6/3/2019 5:41am
NvHermit wrote:
If you're scared of snakes you better stay away from my place






Those aren't snakes...
Cats and bears are cool. Snakes are gross. I’m not messing with any of them. That’s my take.
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These were encountered last night by my brother in North Scottsdale just north of the 101 on Hayden... I told him to run and scream like a little girl!
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6/3/2019 8:25am
KennyT wrote:
Or the So Cal deserts! Brings back memories of my first year racing, before MX tracks started to pop up all over. It was a hare...
Or the So Cal deserts! Brings back memories of my first year racing, before MX tracks started to pop up all over. It was a hare n hound race n Lucerne Valley. One of those where hundreds of bikes were lined up in a row and once the flag dropped you would race to the smoke bomb. So seconds before the flag drops a rider about 10 bikes away dropped his bike and ran like hell. The starter wondered WTF was going on and he strolls over to the dropped bike, reaches down and is holding a rattler by the tail! He starts swinging that fucker over his head in circles and then throws him out in the bushes, right where all these bikes were ready to head towards! So I’m a 12 year old kid who’s nervous as hell right before the start and now I’m sitting there scared to death of the damn snakes I might come across. Hate those things
Haha! My parents were out there in April working the race that So Cal put on and over the course of Thursday night, Friday night and Saturday night there were a total of 7 or 8 sidewinders going through the So Cal camp. Those damn things are sketchy as hell! I always loved the races in Lucerne though, even if there was a huge chance of coming across a rattler or sidewinder at some point during the weekend.
6/3/2019 8:30am
bvm111 wrote:
[img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2019/06/03/352077/s1200_8BDAE1CE_44DE_4124_A449_A37DE00DC9FD.jpg[/img] [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2019/06/03/352078/s1200_2B5FD209_4D74_488D_80DD_A9A5CC919B4D.jpg[/img] These were encountered last night by my brother in North Scottsdale just north of the 101 on Hayden... I told him to run and...



These were encountered last night by my brother in North Scottsdale just north of the 101 on Hayden... I told him to run and scream like a little girl!
I can deal with the bottom one, but the top.....HELL NO!!!!!!
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6/3/2019 8:37am Edited Date/Time 6/3/2019 8:40am
77Moto wrote:
I like how they pissed it off for the picture. You almost have to go out of your way to get bit by a snake.
i ran into this crazy fucker mountain biking down in Moab, he said the year prior he got bit by a rattler. he camps down there all summer and was out walking the trails at midnight with no lights and stepped on it. it bit him in the back of the calf. said he walked a couple hundred yards, pulled out his phone and called 911. damn near killed him and if he didn't have a sat-phone it probably would have.
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6/3/2019 8:40am
Drtbykr wrote:
Funny, I surveyed for years, been real close to bears, never really flinched. Stepped on a nest of little garder snakes and race prime Carl Lewis...
Funny, I surveyed for years, been real close to bears, never really flinched. Stepped on a nest of little garder snakes and race prime Carl Lewis times down the line in jeans and work boots.

It F’ing FEAR! Moose r no joke either obviously.

Would love the riding though, saw the desert for the first time going to GCNP after the MEC.
Beautiful, loved the desert. Adventure bikes make sense there.
Moose are dumb as shit and basically blind so they're really a non-issue. I would never harass one because that is how you get stomped, but I've ridden by them on mountain bikes within an arms length and they just stand there. Don't fuck with their babies or with the males during the rut and you're good to go
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6/3/2019 8:42am
77Moto wrote:
I like how they pissed it off for the picture. You almost have to go out of your way to get bit by a snake.
peelout wrote:
i ran into this crazy fucker mountain biking down in Moab, he said the year prior he got bit by a rattler. he camps down there...
i ran into this crazy fucker mountain biking down in Moab, he said the year prior he got bit by a rattler. he camps down there all summer and was out walking the trails at midnight with no lights and stepped on it. it bit him in the back of the calf. said he walked a couple hundred yards, pulled out his phone and called 911. damn near killed him and if he didn't have a sat-phone it probably would have.
So yeah, you basically have to go out of your way to get bit by a snake
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6/3/2019 8:53am Edited Date/Time 6/3/2019 8:53am
bvm111 wrote:
[img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2019/06/03/352077/s1200_8BDAE1CE_44DE_4124_A449_A37DE00DC9FD.jpg[/img] [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2019/06/03/352078/s1200_2B5FD209_4D74_488D_80DD_A9A5CC919B4D.jpg[/img] These were encountered last night by my brother in North Scottsdale just north of the 101 on Hayden... I told him to run and...



These were encountered last night by my brother in North Scottsdale just north of the 101 on Hayden... I told him to run and scream like a little girl!



Pick up the King Snake and check it out... not going to hurt anyone and they will eat the smaller Rattlers too.

Treat all Rattlesnakes with respect and you will be fine and they will let you know if you are too close. We have the Sidewinders in our area and once in a while find one in the yard. They are skittish and are really cool as the rattle and zig zag there way away from you.

One night we went out in the Teryx and saw 15 (that we saw) Sidewinders in the Dez during a 1.5 hr ride.

I have run across a few Mojave Rattlers out MT Biking and they have a short fuse...!


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6/3/2019 9:11am
bvm111 wrote:
[img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2019/06/03/352077/s1200_8BDAE1CE_44DE_4124_A449_A37DE00DC9FD.jpg[/img] [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2019/06/03/352078/s1200_2B5FD209_4D74_488D_80DD_A9A5CC919B4D.jpg[/img] These were encountered last night by my brother in North Scottsdale just north of the 101 on Hayden... I told him to run and...



These were encountered last night by my brother in North Scottsdale just north of the 101 on Hayden... I told him to run and scream like a little girl!
Arkmx wrote:
Pick up the King Snake and check it out... not going to hurt anyone and they will eat the smaller Rattlers too. Treat all Rattlesnakes with...



Pick up the King Snake and check it out... not going to hurt anyone and they will eat the smaller Rattlers too.

Treat all Rattlesnakes with respect and you will be fine and they will let you know if you are too close. We have the Sidewinders in our area and once in a while find one in the yard. They are skittish and are really cool as the rattle and zig zag there way away from you.

One night we went out in the Teryx and saw 15 (that we saw) Sidewinders in the Dez during a 1.5 hr ride.

I have run across a few Mojave Rattlers out MT Biking and they have a short fuse...!


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Those damn Mojave Green's are no joke. We have a few out my way and they are pretty from a distance, but I don't want to be anywhere within 15 feet of one. But damn, are they beautiful looking snakes!

15 sidewinders in 1.5 hours?!?!?!
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I see them a lot MTB. I've only seen one rattling, it was not happy. Surprising how loud it was.
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6/4/2019 11:33am
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Those damn Mojave Green's are no joke. We have a few out my way and they are pretty from a distance, but I don't want to...
Those damn Mojave Green's are no joke. We have a few out my way and they are pretty from a distance, but I don't want to be anywhere within 15 feet of one. But damn, are they beautiful looking snakes!

15 sidewinders in 1.5 hours?!?!?!
Yes about 2 months ago all the Snakes were coming out at night looking for food (and day) when it started warming up.

Never saw a Sidewinder in the wild until we moved to Buckeye 5 years ago.... now I have seen at least 20 of them..! Not very big but really cool to watch them move. 5 in the front yard.

Our area is a sandy base soil. It's a Sidewinder Ranch south of our house... LOL.

Had a baby SW coil up by my foot one evening when I was watering some of the plants in the front yard....

The Mojave was seen in the rocky harder dirt / hills area when MT Biking. Still waiting to see a good 6 foot RS..!

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6/4/2019 11:45am
My worst encounter with a rattler was on a MTB in the Franklin Mountains of El Paso. It was hot as hell, and I took a wrong turn going up a section meant to be a downhill. It was long, rocky and steep, and my tongue was hanging in the spokes by this point. About half way up the hill I hear a loud rattle to my right and in my peripheral I see something coil up.

Holy Hell, I've never felt such a large hit of adrenaline in my life. I could've bean Nino Schurter up that hill after that.
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6/4/2019 12:03pm
Did a Poker Run a Slash X a few years back and sprained my ankle. Got back to our camp and tossed a few back in a lawn chair to relieve the pain and all of sudden my wife and buddies go into a panic and spread out like I had the plague.

I was sitting next to a flat bed trailer and a baby Mojave green slithered his way under the trailer and right underneath my lawn chair. I thought I was about to get bit in the ass. I got up and moved away slowly which pissed it off and my buddy took his head off with a bike ramp once I was out of the way. Those little bastards are no joke.
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We had em everywhere in south Texas. It was never a big deal. Leave em or run em over is up to you. The only time I bothered with them was when they got close to parking areas.
6/4/2019 4:38pm Edited Date/Time 6/4/2019 4:40pm
Reminds me of Mick and Baz trail-riding.

Mick ran over a Brown Snake and it flung up onto his lap and bit him on the knob.
They pull over and Baz calls Emergency Services.

Baz explains the situation and the operator says, "you have to suck the poison out or he'll be dead in 10 minutes."

Baz get's off the phone and Mick asks him what they said?

Baz replies, "Sorry mate, they said you'll be dead in 10 minutes".
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I was riding out in ocotillo wells with buddies and my godfather. We stopped along pole line road in a valley, and my godfather laid down on the banking to relax. Next thing you know there was a baby rattler coiled up next to his head. I told him not to freak out or treat this as a joke and slowly get up. He did just as I said and when he saw why I told him to move, he thanked me. Pretty wild. I’m from AZ too and never really run into them. But I’ve ran over a decent amount of big spiders on accident.
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6/4/2019 5:39pm
...does rattler really taste like chicken, or is that just bullshit?

asking for a friend...
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A snake warning from another snake? Sonofabitch....
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6/4/2019 7:38pm
77Moto wrote:
I like how they pissed it off for the picture. You almost have to go out of your way to get bit by a snake.
peelout wrote:
i ran into this crazy fucker mountain biking down in Moab, he said the year prior he got bit by a rattler. he camps down there...
i ran into this crazy fucker mountain biking down in Moab, he said the year prior he got bit by a rattler. he camps down there all summer and was out walking the trails at midnight with no lights and stepped on it. it bit him in the back of the calf. said he walked a couple hundred yards, pulled out his phone and called 911. damn near killed him and if he didn't have a sat-phone it probably would have.
zehn wrote:
So yeah, you basically have to go out of your way to get bit by a snake
The hell you do, I about jumped out of my skin a couple weeks ago when I rode right by one hiding in the weeds right near a mountain bike trail. I was probably a foot away from it on a climb and had it wanted to bite me it VERY easily could have, I sure as hell wasn't going out of my way to find it and I'm always on the lookout. I was close enough to see it coil up and rattle like a MoFo right out the corner of my eye, scary as hell especially when you're by yourself. So no, you don't have to go out of your way to get bit, don't listen to Paul.
6/4/2019 9:33pm
Brent wrote:
...does rattler really taste like chicken, or is that just bullshit?

asking for a friend...
Not really. Meat is pretty tough and kind of rubbery consistency. Super lean, no fat. Its more like eating really tough rib meat off the bone and it doesn't have much taste. Lots of bones. Gotta season the shit out of it and slather it in BBQ sauce to like it. But if dying of hunger in the desert, there's a lot worse things to have to eat to survive. Those fuckers stink too.
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6/5/2019 5:25am Edited Date/Time 6/5/2019 6:21am
Drtbykr wrote:
Funny, I surveyed for years, been real close to bears, never really flinched. Stepped on a nest of little garder snakes and race prime Carl Lewis...
Funny, I surveyed for years, been real close to bears, never really flinched. Stepped on a nest of little garder snakes and race prime Carl Lewis times down the line in jeans and work boots.

It F’ing FEAR! Moose r no joke either obviously.

Would love the riding though, saw the desert for the first time going to GCNP after the MEC.
Beautiful, loved the desert. Adventure bikes make sense there.
zehn wrote:
Moose are dumb as shit and basically blind so they're really a non-issue. I would never harass one because that is how you get stomped, but...
Moose are dumb as shit and basically blind so they're really a non-issue. I would never harass one because that is how you get stomped, but I've ridden by them on mountain bikes within an arms length and they just stand there. Don't fuck with their babies or with the males during the rut and you're good to go
Not really moto related but I need to tell it. Deer are an obstacle for off-roading up here. So many close calls.

Work, moose story..

Most of my crew was French and I’m a “square head” Anglophone.

Most of us got along well, I did tell a guy who came at me with a “big” garter snake saying “won’t hurt you” told him I was gonna f him up here and now, crew worker or not.

Me and one big dude became fast friends. He was pretty huge and always wanted me to lay him (some others were the same) off in September to hit the woods, and live in them, for hunting season. Didn’t usually hang around the crew usually, but he was funny as f and I was up there for over two years.

My crew and I were surveying in northern NB, and we were about a half hour from the truck.

It was misting and then started to rain pretty good. So I said let’s head back to the truck and see what the weather does.All of us except my worker buddy were back at the truck, raining a bit but we are standing outside. 8 of us, two trucks. No Victor for quite a while, but he knew these woods well. Where’s Victor?

Suddenly running down the road was Victor my bud, probably 270 of not in shape belly, pastier than printer paper.

He is yelling “mooth, MOOTH”. Between the whiteness and juggling belly going in my directions at once.....one of the funniest things I have ever seen. A site to behold.

“After I could gain my composure, I said, “should have called Randy Richardson”.
j/k, I said, “Vic Buddy, where is your shirt?”. He said he was up close and personal with a mooth he startled, decided when he was running he could run faster without his shirt, 😂


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