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Squirrelings 3/6/2019 4:03pm
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Titan1 wrote:
Justin needs to start doing what his brother is doing...take all that incredible talent he has...and start making free ride videos, hit up straight rhythm, and...
Justin needs to start doing what his brother is doing...take all that incredible talent he has...and start making free ride videos, hit up straight rhythm, and other one off races and make a living that way. Seems like he'll be far happier that way. No shame in that...not everyone is cut out to be top 3 or top 5 racer.

Totally agree. If you aren't top 3 or 5, you should quit.
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steve.hackler.1 3/6/2019 4:06pm
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KR didnt have any problem winning a National Championship recently on one of those under developed Suzuki's.
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Premixed112 wrote:
I feel like JGR just needs to be on a better brand. Let's be honest, the Suzuki is a plenty good bike for amateurs... But for...
I feel like JGR just needs to be on a better brand. Let's be honest, the Suzuki is a plenty good bike for amateurs... But for the pros, it's clearly not cutting it, and the Yamaha back in the day wasn't great when they were on it. They've made bad decisions with the brand they choose to run.

In theory, they should be one of the top teams! They have plenty of resources to do all they want with the bike they're on, but when your base product is so far below the other teams, there's only so much you can do to try to make it better. I don't know why they can't be the ones to be a second-tier team for any of the other brands that are better out of the box. If they do this, they could start gaining legitimacy and get better riders and eventually be one of the top factory teams.
The bike is not the problem, everything you said makes you sound like an idiot
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Gus 3/6/2019 4:12pm
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Pulp mentioned Deano and chad next year. I think those two would be solid and cheap(er). The podcast Steve did with J Bone was good and provides some incite into what JGR is doing. JBone talks about the money they threw at Stew and my opinion they seem content running a solid team and not necessarily gunning for a Championship
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damn i was just posting the reply for fun. hahahaha look at the down votes, thats insane 27 down votes. damn that was fun.
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They've tried to buy a championship twice. Neither time did it work out, and according to JBone, their wasn't much extra that came in through sponsors because they had those guys, but you can bet a hell of a lot went out.

I could see Tickle sneaking in to ride Reeds bike outdoors if he's cleared in time. Then maybe a 3 rider team of Tickle (or Peick), Wilson and Reed indoors next year. All 3 of those guys would consider themselves podium/top 5 contenders at different points throughout a season, and i'd bet you could get all 3 for the price they paid for Barcia or Stewart.

The real question is what are they going to do in the 250 class in coming years? Do they keep aiming for main event riders there or do they take a flyer on a young phenom moving up. Jett Reynolds or Ryder D? Can Kawi keep everyone?
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kiwifan 3/6/2019 4:54pm
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Squirrelings wrote:
There is so much assumption and ignorance in this thread that it's comical. People sure don't like Suzuki for some reason.
jonesaustin wrote:
Suzuki is a favorite of many, but they need to reimagine their bike and advance what an MX bike can look and act like. evolution is...
Suzuki is a favorite of many, but they need to reimagine their bike and advance what an MX bike can look and act like. evolution is already too slow, and I hate they they're on the tail end of that. how much can it possibly cost? hire the engineers, and make history with a radical new design like Kawasaki 1990.
I agree, on the other hand they have a niche of a pretty decent handling bike, perhaps not a power monster (which may suit a number of buyers) but still capable....much like what the CRF450 was before it got a serious makeover in 2017
sbarrington314 3/6/2019 4:55pm
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Nothing against J-Bone but any other job serving that long and no title he'd probably be fired right or wrong
I agree. Take other sports for example. If you have a losing record, you are out as head coach.
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Ditto. Wanna have fun. Fund your own team like Team22 did. Ask Chad how much fun that 5 to 10 million was for 5 years of...
Ditto. Wanna have fun. Fund your own team like Team22 did. Ask Chad how much fun that 5 to 10 million was for 5 years of fun.
Yeah, he’s STILL talking about all the fun he DIDN’T have paying his own way on that level...and throwing away all that cheese.
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Assuming this is Justin Hill’s last season with them (as it should be), what is their next big move? The really need someone capable of getting...
Assuming this is Justin Hill’s last season with them (as it should be), what is their next big move? The really need someone capable of getting results regularly. It’s ridiculous that Hill can’t manage to crack the top 10 with JA, WP, MS, ZO, VF, JB missing. Funny how he was supposed to be a bad ass and has flopped while JS nad AP both have top 5’s. Chad Reed is the only guy getting results and he’s inconsistent at best. They really need to put a good bid in on JS or AC and hire Wilson as a back up. I’m sure it’s hard to sell a title sponsor when your marquis guy is a back marker most nights. Hopefully they can hire someone worth paying before it’s to late.
Agreed JGR is good for the sport, we need them to stick around. Theyre invested in the sport. Losing JGR or especially energy drink companies would be a huge blow. Luckily the CBD companies seem very interested and the industry is going to be enormous in a few years, probably on energy drink levels eventually, so hopefully that will get settled. We need more people getting into the sport with teams and sponsorships not less. Hopefully the future is bright.

JGR seems scared of a big signee since JS7, but its time now. TBH for right now Reed is a good deal. He brings tonsssss of eyes on the team even without results, and he did even get a podium, but that was a very worthwile signing if he isnt big bucks, which he shouldnt be.

They need to grab a big time 250f rider. Shiit Kenny loves Suzuki itd be badass if he went to JGR and Tomac looked all time great on the Honda too bad he wouldnt probably go back. How great would those lineups look... with Kenny at JGR, Eli at HRC, and AC92 moving up to the Kx450. Itll never happen but that would be perfection.
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Moto man 3/6/2019 6:45pm
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J Bone needs to go. Why is Moto the only sport that has no accountability?
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kiwifan wrote:
I suspect JGR will not be around next year, I hope not....
twizzler wrote:
If JGR folds, I think that will be the end of Suzuki in USA pro racing SX/MX. They won't fund their own factory team. JGR going...
If JGR folds, I think that will be the end of Suzuki in USA pro racing SX/MX. They won't fund their own factory team. JGR going away is bad for all things moto. I hope they stay around for years to come. Pro's already don't ride Suzuki's unless they are on JGR or HEP. Privateers don't choose to race Suzuki's due to their lack of innovation. Amateurs don't even ride them. If Suzuki doesn't change their ways they may just fade away out of the dirt bike market altogether. Future for Suzuki dirt bikes does not look good at this current time.
mattyhamz2 wrote:
I'd have to disagree on privateers not riding them because of lack of innovation. I'd say it has more to do with lack of support. But...
I'd have to disagree on privateers not riding them because of lack of innovation. I'd say it has more to do with lack of support. But that's just like, my opinion man Wink
This guy gets it. Suzuki is not doing a ton to support local and national pros let alone amateurs
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Wells423 3/6/2019 7:00pm
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Bruce372 wrote:
Who do people insist on using riders initials... some of us have no clue who you are talking about.

I always though JS was James Stewart???
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Yes^^^^^^ Stop that bullshit and #dropthegate #whosnext #deepfield
I was trying to keep from typing a novel lol. I do understand though, it looks awkward.
Spat24 3/6/2019 7:07pm
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For 2020 JGR should go after Joey Savetgy - he is showing he can compete in the 450's and will be even better next year. Just depends if Kawi lets him go.

They should also resign Reed. I am not a big Reed fan but it is going to be a big story all of next year that it is his last. He will get good press for the bike and go out with a fun SX season. Then he can turn to racing cars for JGR.

I like the Deno rumor - great rider and great with fans. He would do well and needs to keep up with the off season videos. I believe those won over many fans and can help Suzuki if they would participate - maybe help the Suzuki amateur riders.

For the 250 class - I agree they need some top amateurs to come up and surprise us - i hope so!
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blockhead17 3/6/2019 8:03pm
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Relax people.. Hill is a rookie and we are only half way through SX
Webb has a pretty average rookie season and look now..
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Premixed112 wrote:
I feel like JGR just needs to be on a better brand. Let's be honest, the Suzuki is a plenty good bike for amateurs... But for...
I feel like JGR just needs to be on a better brand. Let's be honest, the Suzuki is a plenty good bike for amateurs... But for the pros, it's clearly not cutting it, and the Yamaha back in the day wasn't great when they were on it. They've made bad decisions with the brand they choose to run.

In theory, they should be one of the top teams! They have plenty of resources to do all they want with the bike they're on, but when your base product is so far below the other teams, there's only so much you can do to try to make it better. I don't know why they can't be the ones to be a second-tier team for any of the other brands that are better out of the box. If they do this, they could start gaining legitimacy and get better riders and eventually be one of the top factory teams.
You can have the best bike, team, and resources in world. That’s not gonna make a bad rider win.
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AlexEwing 3/6/2019 8:34pm
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Frank wrote:
JGR should try new managment for the team if they are able to continue. 10 years with the same guy is long enough.
In a round about way you are speaking about Coy, the owner. Jeremy does a great job as a “manager” and is a vital part of the team. With that being said the majority of the choices your basing “they need new management “ on are made by Coy. Yes Jeremy has input on who they hire for riders, mechanics, staff etc, but in no way are the results Jeremy’s fault when the team owner has more input than anyone. I worked at RedBull KTM when they fired one of my favorite team managers in the middle of the season because “ when a sports team loses it’s the managers fault”. Comparing team managers in our sport to stick and ball sports is like comparing two different Dyno runs on two different days with two different people running the dyno. It doesn’t make sense.
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Johnny89superbike 3/6/2019 8:45pm
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Bruce372 wrote:
Who do people insist on using riders initials... some of us have no clue who you are talking about.

I always though JS was James Stewart???
I agree with you.
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Motofinne 3/6/2019 9:13pm
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Well they need to figure something out for this summer too because going into outdoors with only Hill on the 450 will be a complete disaster.

If Chad doesn't want to do outdoors, i would look at maybe some European (or Aussie) riders that only are doing some of the other nationals and euro GP races.

Two riders that come to mind is Dean Ferris and Harri Kullas. Dean would be a podium threat and Kullas could crack the top 10 without a doubt.

And when are the media and fans going to start talking about the countless horrible signings JGR has made? I think it's interesting that JBone says they splashed the cash on riders like JS7, Millsaps, Barcia in a podcast with Matthes and never got the results for it. Wonder why? Why is it that JGR is basically the only team out there where things doesn't work out more often than not? This exact situation with Hill was something that even blind people could've seen from 100 miles away and they still signed him to a big 2 year contract. They lucked in to Reed and that has saved their season.

The sport needs teams like JGR, i hope they stay in the sport. But they have been underperforming so much and made some really strange decisions through the years.

And btw, the bikes aren't a problem anymore. Yes they aren't the most advanced bikes and you might look stupid if you crash and have to start kicking the bike whilst other just push the button but JGRs issues are not the Suzuki anymore when they updated the 250 for this season.
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2WheelsForTheMasses 3/6/2019 9:13pm
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kiwifan wrote:
I suspect JGR will not be around next year, I hope not....
twizzler wrote:
If JGR folds, I think that will be the end of Suzuki in USA pro racing SX/MX. They won't fund their own factory team. JGR going...
If JGR folds, I think that will be the end of Suzuki in USA pro racing SX/MX. They won't fund their own factory team. JGR going away is bad for all things moto. I hope they stay around for years to come. Pro's already don't ride Suzuki's unless they are on JGR or HEP. Privateers don't choose to race Suzuki's due to their lack of innovation. Amateurs don't even ride them. If Suzuki doesn't change their ways they may just fade away out of the dirt bike market altogether. Future for Suzuki dirt bikes does not look good at this current time.
I love reading nonsense like this....spoken like a guy in the know!!! Honestly man, do you know the first thing about Suzuki and what it represents?
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TeamGreen 3/6/2019 9:18pm
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steve.hackler.1 wrote:
KR didnt have any problem winning a National Championship recently on one of those under developed Suzuki's.
There it is.
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AlexEwing 3/6/2019 11:42pm
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Motofinne wrote:
Well they need to figure something out for this summer too because going into outdoors with only Hill on the 450 will be a complete disaster...
Well they need to figure something out for this summer too because going into outdoors with only Hill on the 450 will be a complete disaster.

If Chad doesn't want to do outdoors, i would look at maybe some European (or Aussie) riders that only are doing some of the other nationals and euro GP races.

Two riders that come to mind is Dean Ferris and Harri Kullas. Dean would be a podium threat and Kullas could crack the top 10 without a doubt.

And when are the media and fans going to start talking about the countless horrible signings JGR has made? I think it's interesting that JBone says they splashed the cash on riders like JS7, Millsaps, Barcia in a podcast with Matthes and never got the results for it. Wonder why? Why is it that JGR is basically the only team out there where things doesn't work out more often than not? This exact situation with Hill was something that even blind people could've seen from 100 miles away and they still signed him to a big 2 year contract. They lucked in to Reed and that has saved their season.

The sport needs teams like JGR, i hope they stay in the sport. But they have been underperforming so much and made some really strange decisions through the years.

And btw, the bikes aren't a problem anymore. Yes they aren't the most advanced bikes and you might look stupid if you crash and have to start kicking the bike whilst other just push the button but JGRs issues are not the Suzuki anymore when they updated the 250 for this season.
Hopefully Chad does do outdoors with them, he is a uplifting guy that is flat out rad on a motorcycle. WIN WIN. JS7 was going to happen no matter what team he rode for, he is JS7 and shit happens. The results are what they are. They have flashes of brilliance! Your talking about a team that is long standing solely because Coy has spent his own money, he is a bad ass person that went to work and got what he envisioned. Everything will fall into place for their reign just as it as for every other team that can stay in the game long enough. Work the numbers.. They always make decisions on the long haul, they are winning the chess game, you just can’t see it. Their time will come. Should of already came in my opinion, but I wouldn’t of done anything differently than them. All the decisions were a lot of people together in a way. So at the time those were all great choices, based on situations to keep a group of people employed for the long haul.

If Barcia had this current bike when he went to JGR with his stoked-ness it might of been a slaughter house. Who knows.

I can’t speak for Hill but I don’t think his environment to thrive could be any better or a better match. He’s working hard just like everyone else.

Crazy it hasn’t worked out for them yet, yes..but not from lack of trying. There are some of the best guys in the world surrounding the riders on that team, everyone needs a little gift “from the universe”(as T. Alessi) says.
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Motofinne 3/7/2019 12:33am
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Motofinne wrote:
Well they need to figure something out for this summer too because going into outdoors with only Hill on the 450 will be a complete disaster...
Well they need to figure something out for this summer too because going into outdoors with only Hill on the 450 will be a complete disaster.

If Chad doesn't want to do outdoors, i would look at maybe some European (or Aussie) riders that only are doing some of the other nationals and euro GP races.

Two riders that come to mind is Dean Ferris and Harri Kullas. Dean would be a podium threat and Kullas could crack the top 10 without a doubt.

And when are the media and fans going to start talking about the countless horrible signings JGR has made? I think it's interesting that JBone says they splashed the cash on riders like JS7, Millsaps, Barcia in a podcast with Matthes and never got the results for it. Wonder why? Why is it that JGR is basically the only team out there where things doesn't work out more often than not? This exact situation with Hill was something that even blind people could've seen from 100 miles away and they still signed him to a big 2 year contract. They lucked in to Reed and that has saved their season.

The sport needs teams like JGR, i hope they stay in the sport. But they have been underperforming so much and made some really strange decisions through the years.

And btw, the bikes aren't a problem anymore. Yes they aren't the most advanced bikes and you might look stupid if you crash and have to start kicking the bike whilst other just push the button but JGRs issues are not the Suzuki anymore when they updated the 250 for this season.
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Hopefully Chad does do outdoors with them, he is a uplifting guy that is flat out rad on a motorcycle. WIN WIN. JS7 was going to...
Hopefully Chad does do outdoors with them, he is a uplifting guy that is flat out rad on a motorcycle. WIN WIN. JS7 was going to happen no matter what team he rode for, he is JS7 and shit happens. The results are what they are. They have flashes of brilliance! Your talking about a team that is long standing solely because Coy has spent his own money, he is a bad ass person that went to work and got what he envisioned. Everything will fall into place for their reign just as it as for every other team that can stay in the game long enough. Work the numbers.. They always make decisions on the long haul, they are winning the chess game, you just can’t see it. Their time will come. Should of already came in my opinion, but I wouldn’t of done anything differently than them. All the decisions were a lot of people together in a way. So at the time those were all great choices, based on situations to keep a group of people employed for the long haul.

If Barcia had this current bike when he went to JGR with his stoked-ness it might of been a slaughter house. Who knows.

I can’t speak for Hill but I don’t think his environment to thrive could be any better or a better match. He’s working hard just like everyone else.

Crazy it hasn’t worked out for them yet, yes..but not from lack of trying. There are some of the best guys in the world surrounding the riders on that team, everyone needs a little gift “from the universe”(as T. Alessi) says.
Like i said, the sport needs people like Gibbs and i really hope the stick around.

I'm sorry but when you rely on "a gift from the universe" for over a decade something is wrong. The signing of Hill is the perfect example of horrible decisions.
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Wells423 wrote:
Assuming this is Justin Hill’s last season with them (as it should be), what is their next big move? The really need someone capable of getting...
Assuming this is Justin Hill’s last season with them (as it should be), what is their next big move? The really need someone capable of getting results regularly. It’s ridiculous that Hill can’t manage to crack the top 10 with JA, WP, MS, ZO, VF, JB missing. Funny how he was supposed to be a bad ass and has flopped while JS nad AP both have top 5’s. Chad Reed is the only guy getting results and he’s inconsistent at best. They really need to put a good bid in on JS or AC and hire Wilson as a back up. I’m sure it’s hard to sell a title sponsor when your marquis guy is a back marker most nights. Hopefully they can hire someone worth paying before it’s to late.
What I'd really like to know is what you did with all the time you saved by not typing out all those names? I hope it's something constructive, like checking some valve clearances or learning Chinese or something. I'd feel really mugged off if you made me have to decipher your post and all you did was browse vital Laughing
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Squirrelings wrote:
There is so much assumption and ignorance in this thread that it's comical. People sure don't like Suzuki for some reason.
Hate to bash Suzuki, but you can just look at their bikes and tell they are heavy, bulky and hard to handle. Anyone else notice that? They look terrible this year. Reed even said in an interview that they are 15 pounds heavier than the KTM/Huskys. I'm sorry but that is just sad at this level. They need to figure their bikes out first so they can actually attract new talent. As it stands, no top pro is going to want to ride that yellow pig.
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Kyle_McNab 3/7/2019 3:41am
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Bunch of idiots on this thread trashing Suzuki as it’s not good enough. How many 450 championships does Honda have in the last 15 years?big 0. You except a bike that is sooo superior would blow the doors off Suzuki. The bike fine. But hey let’s push jgr out because there bike is trash.
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UpTiTe 3/7/2019 4:36am
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4csHATER wrote:
Dude why all the hate on justin hill, he is just young and having fun, isnt that what it was all supposed to be about in...
Dude why all the hate on justin hill, he is just young and having fun, isnt that what it was all supposed to be about in the first place.


all this seriousness is gonna kill dirt bikes, no wonder why walmart and kroger dont sell toy dirt bikes any more, there is no fun in it, and when there is your looked at as wrong.

Explains why hot wheels pulled out of moto no fun in it.
You don’t pay a guy 550k a year to be young and have fun, you pay that much for results.

I can just about guarantee he won’t be there next year because they don’t share your young and fun attitude
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Dr.201 3/7/2019 4:55am
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kiwifan wrote:
I suspect JGR will not be around next year, I hope not....
twizzler wrote:
If JGR folds, I think that will be the end of Suzuki in USA pro racing SX/MX. They won't fund their own factory team. JGR going...
If JGR folds, I think that will be the end of Suzuki in USA pro racing SX/MX. They won't fund their own factory team. JGR going away is bad for all things moto. I hope they stay around for years to come. Pro's already don't ride Suzuki's unless they are on JGR or HEP. Privateers don't choose to race Suzuki's due to their lack of innovation. Amateurs don't even ride them. If Suzuki doesn't change their ways they may just fade away out of the dirt bike market altogether. Future for Suzuki dirt bikes does not look good at this current time.
Suzuki’s are definitely not as bad as you vital member say they are. First off they are the cheapest bike by literally $2000 or more and nobody has the skill set to ride a 450 motor to its full potential even if it is outdated. Secondly, they are a bullet proof bike and their chassis development is and has been cutting edge . Ever notice how every single manufacturer has followed their lead with more front leaning/forward weight like chassis?

Sorry for the rant I just get sick of hearing all of these Joe’s crack on Suzuki like it is the bike holding the riders back at the pro level which is a total crock of shit.
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You don’t pay a guy 550k a year to be young and have fun, you pay that much for results. I can just about guarantee he...
You don’t pay a guy 550k a year to be young and have fun, you pay that much for results.

I can just about guarantee he won’t be there next year because they don’t share your young and fun attitude
Are you hearing any serious names who might replace him?

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