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Zycki11
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Edited Date/Time 5/26/2017 10:07am
Matthes reporting Yamaha to get the 18 yz450f homologated for webb by Colorado at the earliest. Should be interesting
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slipdog
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5/24/2017 10:03pm
Current model is perfectly fine. Nothing to see here!
machine
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5/24/2017 10:06pm
Great news, proves that current bike sucks!
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5/24/2017 10:59pm
He'll probably be just like Barcia, get on a new bike and start killing it.(sarcasm)

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5/24/2017 11:13pm
machine wrote:
Great news, proves that current bike sucks!
Yamaha has had the worst bikes since the switch to 450s. I believe Yamaha was the main thing that ruined James' career
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5/25/2017 12:17am Edited Date/Time 5/25/2017 12:18am
Sounds legit....Maybe Honda should do the same for their 250....imagine the uproar...
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5/25/2017 12:58am
slipdog wrote:
Current model is perfectly fine. Nothing to see here!
Absolutely. Webb sucks and Reed is washed up. That bike is sick! Whistling
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5/25/2017 1:04am
chuckie108 wrote:
He'll probably be just like Barcia, get on a new bike and start killing it.(sarcasm)
You mean like Langston 2007 no sarcasm needed he did kill it and got the 450 outdoor title when he got the 2008 yz450
5/25/2017 4:31am
Don't they (Yamaha) have to sell so many of those to get them approved (homologated)? Beyond a few photos out of Japan, has anyone even seen the bike?

Honestly, the whole thing sounds far-fetched - but stranger things have happened.
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5/25/2017 5:27am
chuckie108 wrote:
He'll probably be just like Barcia, get on a new bike and start killing it.(sarcasm)
You mean like Langston 2007 no sarcasm needed he did kill it and got the 450 outdoor title when he got the 2008 yz450
I agree.. Webb would kill it on an 08 YZ too.
MX Culture
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5/25/2017 5:27am
June 12th is the release.
Aron213
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5/25/2017 5:37am
Remember when Kawasaki brought in the new model about half way through the outdoor season for RV2 a few years back and he went on a tear with the new bike!
5/25/2017 6:22am
machine wrote:
Great news, proves that current bike sucks!
Sodipop wrote:
Yamaha has had the worst bikes since the switch to 450s. I believe Yamaha was the main thing that ruined James' career
James ringing his bell so many times ruined his career, not the bike.

Pretty interesting how many people jump on the "yz 450 sucks" train. Even guys that have never even ridden the 10-17 yz's.
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5/25/2017 6:24am
machine wrote:
Great news, proves that current bike sucks!
Give It up dude
Johnny Ringo
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5/25/2017 6:25am
Don't they (Yamaha) have to sell so many of those to get them approved (homologated)? Beyond a few photos out of Japan, has anyone even seen...
Don't they (Yamaha) have to sell so many of those to get them approved (homologated)? Beyond a few photos out of Japan, has anyone even seen the bike?

Honestly, the whole thing sounds far-fetched - but stranger things have happened.
No they just have to have so many units in the states. Think the number is 500?
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5/25/2017 6:42am
machine wrote:
Great news, proves that current bike sucks!
Give It up dude
Suzuki is doing the same thing with the RMZ.
2stroked
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5/25/2017 6:46am
Interesting to see so much hate on the YZ450. even though it has won a lot of shootouts in the last few years.

Grant Langston won a title and races on one. (albet before the frame/engine change)
Josh Hill in 09-10 was killer and nearly won a few times on one.
Justin Barcia won on it multiple times.
Justin Brayton had some of his best success in his career on it.
James Stewart won a title on one (albeit before the frame/engine change), and he won some races on the newer generation. He also crashed his f*cking brains out on it. Is that really indicative of the bike though? He got on the suzuki he wanted so bad and proceeded to win and also crash his f*cking brains out. No one rails or harks on the suzuki though?
Chad Reed has had multiple podium finishes on it the last two years at 33-35 years of age. Not bad id say!
Filthy Phil has holeshot, lead multiple laps, and challenged the front runners for the last few years on a YZ450 outdoors.

Lets not also forget that the YZ250f frame/engine design layout is based directly upon the YZ450f technology. The YZ250f has won multiple outdoor titles (last three in a row), along with multiple supercross titles since 2014. The riders are mostly responsible, but to complete lambast the bikes is ridiculous. They have the best motors and suspension out there and that goes a long way. Yamaha will improve. They always do.
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5/25/2017 6:54am
Don't they (Yamaha) have to sell so many of those to get them approved (homologated)? Beyond a few photos out of Japan, has anyone even seen...
Don't they (Yamaha) have to sell so many of those to get them approved (homologated)? Beyond a few photos out of Japan, has anyone even seen the bike?

Honestly, the whole thing sounds far-fetched - but stranger things have happened.
I don't think actual sales matter at all. I believe they just need to have a certain number of them in the country available for sale. I don't know the number but I believe it's between 3-500.
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5/25/2017 7:03am
2stroked wrote:
Interesting to see so much hate on the YZ450. even though it has won a lot of shootouts in the last few years. Grant Langston won...
Interesting to see so much hate on the YZ450. even though it has won a lot of shootouts in the last few years.

Grant Langston won a title and races on one. (albet before the frame/engine change)
Josh Hill in 09-10 was killer and nearly won a few times on one.
Justin Barcia won on it multiple times.
Justin Brayton had some of his best success in his career on it.
James Stewart won a title on one (albeit before the frame/engine change), and he won some races on the newer generation. He also crashed his f*cking brains out on it. Is that really indicative of the bike though? He got on the suzuki he wanted so bad and proceeded to win and also crash his f*cking brains out. No one rails or harks on the suzuki though?
Chad Reed has had multiple podium finishes on it the last two years at 33-35 years of age. Not bad id say!
Filthy Phil has holeshot, lead multiple laps, and challenged the front runners for the last few years on a YZ450 outdoors.

Lets not also forget that the YZ250f frame/engine design layout is based directly upon the YZ450f technology. The YZ250f has won multiple outdoor titles (last three in a row), along with multiple supercross titles since 2014. The riders are mostly responsible, but to complete lambast the bikes is ridiculous. They have the best motors and suspension out there and that goes a long way. Yamaha will improve. They always do.
You make good points about the professional racers but I think the YZ250F is a capable race machine among a group of mediocre 250Fs, save the for the KTM. The YZ450s girth, weight, and internal mass make it a freight train of a bike IMO. I personally don't like the 10 - 17 YZ450F, although the 2014 - 2017 I thought was much improved.

My last new bike came in 2014 and I tried the YZ450 as well as the CRF450 and I opted for the CRF because I felt it was a little more nimble and easier to ride, however it was still a tough decision and every time I pump up those PSF1 forks,wash out my front end, or harshly bottom I wonder if I made the right decision.

I'm no bike geometry guru but the 2010 - 2013 YZ250F chassis was pretty good and if you updated the 450 engine, EFI, added some ponies and packaged it in that chassis I would probably would still ride Yamahas to this day. This coming from a guy who had a 2005 YZ250F, 2007 YZ450F, 2008 YZ250 two stroke, and 2011 YZ250F.
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5/25/2017 7:07am
Don't they (Yamaha) have to sell so many of those to get them approved (homologated)? Beyond a few photos out of Japan, has anyone even seen...
Don't they (Yamaha) have to sell so many of those to get them approved (homologated)? Beyond a few photos out of Japan, has anyone even seen the bike?

Honestly, the whole thing sounds far-fetched - but stranger things have happened.
MXD wrote:
I don't think actual sales matter at all. I believe they just need to have a certain number of them in the country available for sale...
I don't think actual sales matter at all. I believe they just need to have a certain number of them in the country available for sale. I don't know the number but I believe it's between 3-500.
Ya not sales, available for sale, I remember the number being 400.
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5/25/2017 7:13am
Haha. That bike is gonna get homo'd.
racinstation
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5/25/2017 7:23am
Don't they (Yamaha) have to sell so many of those to get them approved (homologated)? Beyond a few photos out of Japan, has anyone even seen...
Don't they (Yamaha) have to sell so many of those to get them approved (homologated)? Beyond a few photos out of Japan, has anyone even seen the bike?

Honestly, the whole thing sounds far-fetched - but stranger things have happened.
When the say "sell" they mean to dealers. When they do the unveil dealers will place their orders and bikes will start to ship. They don't have to "retail" a specific number to the end customer.
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5/25/2017 7:33am
Don't think it will make big difference. What we have seen 18 model is not that much different to 17 model.
MXGP Yamaha team did actually go back to some parts they did use last year as they didn't find setup they where looking for with new parts. There is no production rule like AMA has.
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5/25/2017 7:35am
Don't they (Yamaha) have to sell so many of those to get them approved (homologated)? Beyond a few photos out of Japan, has anyone even seen...
Don't they (Yamaha) have to sell so many of those to get them approved (homologated)? Beyond a few photos out of Japan, has anyone even seen the bike?

Honestly, the whole thing sounds far-fetched - but stranger things have happened.
MXD wrote:
I don't think actual sales matter at all. I believe they just need to have a certain number of them in the country available for sale...
I don't think actual sales matter at all. I believe they just need to have a certain number of them in the country available for sale. I don't know the number but I believe it's between 3-500.
It's 400
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5/25/2017 7:41am Edited Date/Time 5/25/2017 7:48am
To your point I weigh more than any 450 made but I ride the slowest one you can buy because it felt the most like a 250F. I've just never jived with the new Yams, that comfort level wasn't there like on my Honda. I waivered between the two.

At the professional level I would assume none of this matters because they have the resources to make the bike everything they want it to be? At the same time I'm sure all of these guys get super mental, as long as their perception is that something is improved it will resonate through their confidence and riding.
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5/25/2017 8:00am
machine wrote:
Great news, proves that current bike sucks!
Sodipop wrote:
Yamaha has had the worst bikes since the switch to 450s. I believe Yamaha was the main thing that ruined James' career
You mean the same bike that Millsaps finished 2nd in the Supercross series on? Barcia has won 450 nationals on? Romain Febvre won the MX1 GP title on?

That Yamaha 450 must suck.
5/25/2017 8:03am
machine wrote:
Great news, proves that current bike sucks!
Sodipop wrote:
Yamaha has had the worst bikes since the switch to 450s. I believe Yamaha was the main thing that ruined James' career
Paul333 wrote:
You mean the same bike that Millsaps finished 2nd in the Supercross series on? Barcia has won 450 nationals on? Romain Febvre won the MX1 GP...
You mean the same bike that Millsaps finished 2nd in the Supercross series on? Barcia has won 450 nationals on? Romain Febvre won the MX1 GP title on?

That Yamaha 450 must suck.
Touche'
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5/25/2017 8:54am
I have some questions about the Yamaha 450.

Does the engine on the Yamaha spin clockwise?
Is the engine the heaviest part of the motorcycle in regards to gyroscope effect?

Does every engine beating the Yamaha spin counter clockwise?
Does feel matter? If every racer grows up with the feel of forward gyroscope, why would you construct a motorcycle with the gyroscope effect going reverse of direction of the wheels? Seems like the engine spin would be fighting you all the way?

Just curious....
5/25/2017 9:05am Edited Date/Time 5/25/2017 9:07am
I have some questions about the Yamaha 450. Does the engine on the Yamaha spin clockwise? Is the engine the heaviest part of the motorcycle in...
I have some questions about the Yamaha 450.

Does the engine on the Yamaha spin clockwise?
Is the engine the heaviest part of the motorcycle in regards to gyroscope effect?

Does every engine beating the Yamaha spin counter clockwise?
Does feel matter? If every racer grows up with the feel of forward gyroscope, why would you construct a motorcycle with the gyroscope effect going reverse of direction of the wheels? Seems like the engine spin would be fighting you all the way?

Just curious....
I'll bite:

1- it depends on which side of the bike you're looking
2- yes, like any other motorcycle
3- it depends who finished in front of the first Yamaha rider, but all engines spin in the same direction, including the Yamaha
4- yes
5- I don't know why, and I guess that's the reason no one has
6- see answer #5

On a side note, just because the intake and exhaust are reversed doesn't mean the crank has to rotate backwards. The piston still moves up and down...
5/25/2017 10:26am
Sheriff245 wrote:
I'll bite: 1- it depends on which side of the bike you're looking 2- yes, like any other motorcycle 3- it depends who finished in front...
I'll bite:

1- it depends on which side of the bike you're looking
2- yes, like any other motorcycle
3- it depends who finished in front of the first Yamaha rider, but all engines spin in the same direction, including the Yamaha
4- yes
5- I don't know why, and I guess that's the reason no one has
6- see answer #5

On a side note, just because the intake and exhaust are reversed doesn't mean the crank has to rotate backwards. The piston still moves up and down...
But, hey, if you want to test the Yamaha in the opposite direction, its all just a matter of cam and ignition timing!

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