Interesting MXDN news from Matthes

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ando wrote:
Talk about tone deaf…The wealthiest motocross nation on earth with the best paid riders is arguing about whether their riders should go to MXoN unless they...

Talk about tone deaf…

The wealthiest motocross nation on earth with the best paid riders is arguing about whether their riders should go to MXoN unless they get paid, and their riders having to fork out money for the own entourage.  Yet every year dozens of nations scrape together the dollars to send three riders who probably have to rent a bike, and if they’re lucky they might bring their own suspension in checked luggage.

Get a grip on reality.  If you don’t like it stay at home.  The rest of us will be there competing anyway.

"Yet every year dozens of nations scrape together the dollars to send three riders who probably have to rent a bike, and if they’re lucky they...

"Yet every year dozens of nations scrape together the dollars to send three riders who probably have to rent a bike, and if they’re lucky they might bring their own suspension in checked luggage."

Padding the promoter's pocket as a result.  That's an expense the promoter should absorb if the event is run for profit.  That it's run for profit with that sort of cost shifting consequence is the dynamic that drives these questions.   

Not denying that if the event was run pure some rider somewhere, probably from the states, would say pay me, in which case I'd say piss off.  

Live by the sword, die by the sword.  You want to make a living by racing dirtbikes, better be prepared for the vagaries of those who want to dip into their pockets to make it happen.

I’ll say it again, if the riders or teams don’t like the arrangement they are free to not participate.  Can’t be any simpler than that.

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I get it, I have watched riders go and represent team USA for 40 years. The riders are doing a job and getting paid to do that job. It is not in there contracts that they have to race if selected to the team and they do not get paid for racing.

Ask your self, my country wants you to fly across the country and do a weeks work for free. Remember your work is extremely dangerous and an injury could leave you unable to do your job when you get back home. This could cost you bonus pay and a huge year end bonus if you were able to meat your works goal. Would you go? 

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8/22/2026 8:26am Edited Date/Time 8/22/2026 8:27am
ando wrote:
Live by the sword, die by the sword.  You want to make a living by racing dirtbikes, better be prepared for the vagaries of those who...

Live by the sword, die by the sword.  You want to make a living by racing dirtbikes, better be prepared for the vagaries of those who want to dip into their pockets to make it happen.

I’ll say it again, if the riders or teams don’t like the arrangement they are free to not participate.  Can’t be any simpler than that.

Okay, throw up your hands and accept it.  "You'll get nothing and like it."  I get it.

Given what it is promoted to be - a once a year contest of nations celebrating the sport - we as a sport can do better by this event, for the sake of the participants - smallest country to largest - who make it what it is.  I accept it's a philosophical issue and the real world is not likely to change one bit as long as everyone goes along with it, and fans pressure them to.  As you note,  guys and teams that don't want to go along with it don't have to.  

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Mit12 wrote:
I get it, I have watched riders go and represent team USA for 40 years. The riders are doing a job and getting paid to do...

I get it, I have watched riders go and represent team USA for 40 years. The riders are doing a job and getting paid to do that job. It is not in there contracts that they have to race if selected to the team and they do not get paid for racing.

Ask your self, my country wants you to fly across the country and do a weeks work for free. Remember your work is extremely dangerous and an injury could leave you unable to do your job when you get back home. This could cost you bonus pay and a huge year end bonus if you were able to meat your works goal. Would you go? 

It's worse than free....most go in the hole and it costs them money to go...and let's not forget about the injury clauses in every contract so if they do get injured they don't get paid....but yeah lets do it for pride hell yes!

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8/22/2026 9:41am Edited Date/Time 8/22/2026 9:42am
Mit12 wrote:
I get it, I have watched riders go and represent team USA for 40 years. The riders are doing a job and getting paid to do...

I get it, I have watched riders go and represent team USA for 40 years. The riders are doing a job and getting paid to do that job. It is not in there contracts that they have to race if selected to the team and they do not get paid for racing.

Ask your self, my country wants you to fly across the country and do a weeks work for free. Remember your work is extremely dangerous and an injury could leave you unable to do your job when you get back home. This could cost you bonus pay and a huge year end bonus if you were able to meat your works goal. Would you go? 

DonM wrote:
It's worse than free....most go in the hole and it costs them money to go...and let's not forget about the injury clauses in every contract so...

It's worse than free....most go in the hole and it costs them money to go...and let's not forget about the injury clauses in every contract so if they do get injured they don't get paid....but yeah lets do it for pride hell yes!

And if they get hurt they can't race off season races that pay them or properly prepare for SX. 

MXoN is a huge risk for a top American more so than the rest of the GP guys because their season starts 2 months after the US guys. 
 

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This squabbling every year is pathetic.The US supposedly has the biggest moto industry in the world, yet it seems nobody is willing to facilitate getting to...

This squabbling every year is pathetic.The US supposedly has the biggest moto industry in the world, yet it seems nobody is willing to facilitate getting to the biggest internationa  race.

Meanwhile small countries attend every year without any chance of ever winning. How do they do it? Fund raising that starts nearly 12 months in advance. It's not like the event is sprung on anyone without notice. 

In the absence of any other willing parties, the AMA should be stepping up.

Yes, but I'm not sure if the other countries have the same constraints: e.g: Star wanting 50k per bike to go, and as reported by Matthes...

Yes, but I'm not sure if the other countries have the same constraints: e.g: Star wanting 50k per bike to go, and as reported by Matthes, Donger and Lips wanting bonuses to go...

That being said, it still is pathetic that the US can't get it's shit together. The real reason is it doesn't like getting smoked...

There were zero problems going back when they won every time...

There were plenty of riders not willing to go when we were winning. Learn your moto history before quoting it friend.

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TK40_FC wrote:
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Hymas’ podium goggles had “USA” written in silver sharpie on the lens after his win. 

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A group of young men that will represent the USA without the side-show and will ride their butts off.   
Thats all I care about.  Be American, old school American.   

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Coming from the off-road world where middle class guys spend all their savings and max out credit cards for the honor of racing the ISDE I don’t feel much sympathy when rich guys feel the need to be paid for MXON. 

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Mit12 wrote:
I get it, I have watched riders go and represent team USA for 40 years. The riders are doing a job and getting paid to do...

I get it, I have watched riders go and represent team USA for 40 years. The riders are doing a job and getting paid to do that job. It is not in there contracts that they have to race if selected to the team and they do not get paid for racing.

Ask your self, my country wants you to fly across the country and do a weeks work for free. Remember your work is extremely dangerous and an injury could leave you unable to do your job when you get back home. This could cost you bonus pay and a huge year end bonus if you were able to meat your works goal. Would you go? 

DonM wrote:
It's worse than free....most go in the hole and it costs them money to go...and let's not forget about the injury clauses in every contract so...

It's worse than free....most go in the hole and it costs them money to go...and let's not forget about the injury clauses in every contract so if they do get injured they don't get paid....but yeah lets do it for pride hell yes!

That is exactly what I am talking about. A 450 rider that has the ability to win the SX championship stands to loose over 2 million dollars if they get injured. The 250 rider has the opportunity to ride the east coast so that is not a deal breaker.   

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TK40_FC wrote:
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Well, well, well....

Donger gets out of representing his country for a fourth time...

Faketriot.

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8/22/2026 7:47pm
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Golf, F1, Rodeo/bull riders. 

Bow977 wrote:

Try again for golf, I don’t follow F1. And you’re comparing rodeo riders to motocross? 😂

decano51 wrote:
I mean.. F1, drivers get a fee for every point they accumulate and goes towards their F1 licence the following year. Verstappen paid €1,018,724 just for his...

I mean.. F1, drivers get a fee for every point they accumulate and goes towards their F1 licence the following year. 


Verstappen paid €1,018,724 just for his F1 super license which only last 1 season. 

The more dominant you are, the more your fee will be the next year to race.. 

The F1 comparison isn’t really relevant because the teams reimburse their drivers in their contracts. It’s a pretty weird system. The series promoters claim it is there to help the little guys, but I think it’s just a grift so they can get a guaranteed amount of money each year (same number of point totals every year). As greedy as InFront is I’m surprised they haven’t started something similar to charge winning teams more to attend the next year.

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I think a guy should at least be a race winner in his class before being expected to be paid start money at an exhibition race that normally doesn’t do that. 0-20, zero laps led. 

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8/22/2026 10:48pm

For the riders who dont want to represent the USA at the MXDN - fuck em!

For those riders who represent the USA at the MXDN - celebrate them and cheer them on at MXDN and also in 2027 SX and MX!!

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I like that team. Those three will ride their asses off for sure.  I wonder how Kitchen will acclimate to the 450 (assuming he races the open class.) 

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Mit12 wrote:
That is exactly what I am talking about. A 450 rider that has the ability to win the SX championship stands to loose over 2 million...

That is exactly what I am talking about. A 450 rider that has the ability to win the SX championship stands to loose over 2 million dollars if they get injured. The 250 rider has the opportunity to ride the east coast so that is not a deal breaker.   

Which American do you think is gonna win the 2027 450SX championship?

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Mit12 wrote:
That is exactly what I am talking about. A 450 rider that has the ability to win the SX championship stands to loose over 2 million...

That is exactly what I am talking about. A 450 rider that has the ability to win the SX championship stands to loose over 2 million dollars if they get injured. The 250 rider has the opportunity to ride the east coast so that is not a deal breaker.   

ksithumper wrote:

Which American do you think is gonna win the 2027 450SX championship?

Sexton, Webb, Tomac, Deegan. Roczen finally got it done after many years, so to act like any one of those guys aren’t capable is bananas. 

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Mit12 wrote:
That is exactly what I am talking about. A 450 rider that has the ability to win the SX championship stands to loose over 2 million...

That is exactly what I am talking about. A 450 rider that has the ability to win the SX championship stands to loose over 2 million dollars if they get injured. The 250 rider has the opportunity to ride the east coast so that is not a deal breaker.   

ksithumper wrote:

Which American do you think is gonna win the 2027 450SX championship?

agn5008 wrote:

Sexton, Webb, Tomac, Deegan. Roczen finally got it done after many years, so to act like any one of those guys aren’t capable is bananas. 

Yeah but are any of them going to MXdN for team USA this year?

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8/23/2026 12:23am
Mit12 wrote:
That is exactly what I am talking about. A 450 rider that has the ability to win the SX championship stands to loose over 2 million...

That is exactly what I am talking about. A 450 rider that has the ability to win the SX championship stands to loose over 2 million dollars if they get injured. The 250 rider has the opportunity to ride the east coast so that is not a deal breaker.   

ksithumper wrote:

Which American do you think is gonna win the 2027 450SX championship?

The defending champ, Ken Roczen, he's an American citizen!

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All years the same discussions,only when MXDN is held in the US,no problem!!

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Kawi in need of some good PR so they are back in?

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8/23/2026 2:59am

Does anyone have any idea what kind of profit an event like the MXdN is making? 
You guys are speaking like one single event is making millions. 

What if the bottom line profit is 100k? 
They’d only be paying a pittance as there’s such little money to go round. 

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lol


Seems the Deegandashian’s are searching for a new reason to dodge the Euros. 

One Multimillionaire need a go fund me to attend one race for his country. 

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ando wrote:
Live by the sword, die by the sword.  You want to make a living by racing dirtbikes, better be prepared for the vagaries of those who...

Live by the sword, die by the sword.  You want to make a living by racing dirtbikes, better be prepared for the vagaries of those who want to dip into their pockets to make it happen.

I’ll say it again, if the riders or teams don’t like the arrangement they are free to not participate.  Can’t be any simpler than that.

Okay, throw up your hands and accept it.  "You'll get nothing and like it."  I get it.Given what it is promoted to be - a once...

Okay, throw up your hands and accept it.  "You'll get nothing and like it."  I get it.

Given what it is promoted to be - a once a year contest of nations celebrating the sport - we as a sport can do better by this event, for the sake of the participants - smallest country to largest - who make it what it is.  I accept it's a philosophical issue and the real world is not likely to change one bit as long as everyone goes along with it, and fans pressure them to.  As you note,  guys and teams that don't want to go along with it don't have to.  

Eh, lot bigger problems in the world than some dirtbike racers not getting paid for a race.

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Does anyone have any idea what kind of profit an event like the MXdN is making? You guys are speaking like one single event is making millions. What...

Does anyone have any idea what kind of profit an event like the MXdN is making? 
You guys are speaking like one single event is making millions. 

What if the bottom line profit is 100k? 
They’d only be paying a pittance as there’s such little money to go round. 

They make anywhere from 20-30Mil. 

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PRM31 wrote:
Why is not in their contract? The top guys are paid a lot of money to race for a factory team for the year. Suggesting they...

Why is not in their contract? The top guys are paid a lot of money to race for a factory team for the year. Suggesting they are not paid for a particular race seems odd. Why not have an MXDN clause that ensures they are reimbursed for travel for this race just like any other race? 

Because the factories don’t see enough value from the event to justify footing the bill.

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8/23/2026 7:49am Edited Date/Time 8/23/2026 7:53am
Does anyone have any idea what kind of profit an event like the MXdN is making? You guys are speaking like one single event is making millions. What...

Does anyone have any idea what kind of profit an event like the MXdN is making? 
You guys are speaking like one single event is making millions. 

What if the bottom line profit is 100k? 
They’d only be paying a pittance as there’s such little money to go round. 

Gueseppe's shakedown mob gets a licensing/sanctioning fee (rumored to be $600k, bit could be way more now),with little to no risk.  They normally shake down governments, but in the USA the track owner takes a massive risk (like if it's a mudder and attendance is down), so they could lose a lot of money.  I'm sure Davey and his crew get their beak wet as well, and the riders, teams, national sanctioning body, etc. are expected to fund it through tee shirt and bake sales while the Luongo's chill by the pool in Monaco....

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