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Past performance isn’t indicative of future results, and in racing there’s a saying: you’re only as good as your last race. Lately, that’s been outside the podium. But sure, the next bike will fix everything
Chase gets a great start last weekend, then fades... geezuusss... is it just over for chase?? He gonna headtrip out like et3 is doing??? Cause he gonna get destroyed this summer... Just wow...
Always get a kick out of the chase disrespect.... for as bad as this year has been.... he's 26 and has won more SX than anyone on the planet over the past two seasons. People are acting like his career is over and teams wouldn't even want to sign him. It's wild.
If chase wants to go to star it'll happen. One monster team to another, alpinestars won't care, Bobby has no problem breaking contracts... only potential hiccup I can see is Deegan throwing a fit about it and threatening to leave.
I would tell chase if you want to do it, do it yesterday. Get on the new bike now and ride for free for the rest of the year if you have to.
This is what got him to Kawasaki. Another bike will fix everything. Multiple past champions said no bike is perfect and at some point the rider has to stop chasing and ride the bike. It’s worked for Roczen.
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The part I don’t get is, if the bike sucks and you’re both a MX & SX champion, work on it. Find a team you can work with and with some patience you’ll get to a better a spot. Actually ride out the contract and see where it lands you at the end. If all the bikes he’s been on have sucked ass, he’s done very little to turn that around… and he now finds himself on what could be the worst factory bike on the gate.
Obviously none of us are team managers, but the inability to effectively communicate and develop the bike would really make me think if I were Triumph or Ducati, where you need feedback to improve the bike.
As blazing fast as he is, the talent pool and rider market he finds himself in today will see himself fade into obscurity if he doesn’t (a)hold himself accountable for his results and (b)exercise patience and grow with the brand of his choice.
if everyone was a free agent, where do you rank him in desirability?
I’m pretty sure it worked for Roczen because he finally found a base setup hes satisfied with. A few weeks ago, he actually said something along those lines "that it was such a relief to find a feeling you’ve been looking for all these years, proving you’re not crazy."
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They aren't test riders, they are going for championships and can't spent to much time testing.
If they feel it's to far away, it's a waste of time and also high risk you will not get where you need it to be.
Honda and KTM was in the window, just looked for that final percent that every rider beside maybe Jett, is constantly looking for.
Roczen just fixed the clutch and suspension, after what, 10 years and limited bike updates since 2018? If Jett was here, my guess is Roczen would still be searching. Because nothing about changing how they ride is going to make them catch up. They have to hope there is a Tomac 2015 Honda moment they will land on.
He has been in some tough championship battles with Webb and Tomac, and has taken some hard hits as well. Some of these racers burn brightly and flame out, Barnett was done at 26. It cannot go on forever, maybe he just doesn't have the patience for it anymore, maybe there is nothing left in the tank?
I sort of agree - he isn’t washed up as a rider. However his team options are becoming limited. The door is shut at Honda and KTM. If he leaves Kawi the only factory option left is Yamaha. I’d guess they’d find a spot for him with J Cooper apparently leaving but he’d be playing second fiddle to Deegan and maybe even third behind Webb (at least for SX). I guess Suzuki is an option but would they be able to pay him what he wants and does he want to be on what is a semi-factory team at best? I wouldn’t think Ducati or Triumph would be a great move with them still developing their bikes.
Chase could go the reed route and do his own thing.
Ducati or triumph would love to have someone with his potential.
Suzuki is an option perhaps.
Maybe he says fuck it and goes to mxgp. What would big Lew do then!?
This only works if the team delivers on their promises and is actually open to changing things. From what we’ve seen Kawasaki does not seem willing to do whatever the rider wants. They’re very willing to put in the work but it’s become clear that there are major issues at the top. Secondly, why would you use two more years at the end of your prime riding age on a team/bike that you don’t think you can win on?
If I were Kawi I would value Sexton higher than anyone on the management side of the team, and I'd be very concerned about losing Monster. Hold Sexton to his contract, clean house and bring in outside new blood in management and R&D, and do so before they start race team testing the new bike.
Promises? What promises? They have pretty much changed everything and back this year for Chase. The problem is the sport has outgrown the leadership of the team this team will not get better until they are replaced
If one of the reasons he left Honda was because of Jett I can’t see him going to Star with the Deegan circus. He’s said in interviews the Honda bike wasn’t really the problem. I don’t think he’d be considered the A rider at Star.
He has said he doesn’t know what he’s looking for. This has to make it difficult for the test riders to help develop the bike for him. Seeing the big changes to the bike in the early rounds would prove that.
I would guess whether they keep Chase or he does leave, Kawasaki has to restructure their MX/SX team. The Pipes motorsports, Star, and Club MX model seems to work maybe Kawasaki could fashion something along those lines?
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kawi need to clean house there current leadership is clearly an issue it dates back to rv days rv left because the team caused burnout eli left because he didnt agree with the the team and the team was hard headed about elis wants. maybe not quite the same level but JA21 left because if team friction. prado straight quit because of team/bike friction and chase has been pretty clearly miserable all season its not a rider at this point its a decade + of mismanagement within the kawi race team.
Kawi team is a process.
Currently their process is terrible and cleaning house is needed regardless if Chase stays or goes.
We're all making educated guesses based on the evidence, but we know that he ran a PC front end, won on it, then for some reason swapped back off of it. That seems like a move that came form the top, not from Chase himself. So if they say that they'll do anything to win, and they pull moves like that, both things can't be true
I've said it before but Kawi needs to hire me to be the Manager. I'll run it into the ground for a lot less.
The alarm bells I think really started sounding when he said to Lewis a month or so back, along the lines of, 'well, we're at loss as to what to do, it's a mystery, Iv'e never faced this in my career etc etc' or words to that effect... Not the usual oh yeah we're gradually making progress etc. That says to me (along with Prado finding himself in the same position last year) that there is something fundamentally askew with either the team hierarchy and/or bike. All those resources and they can't see to replicate his RD2 feeling. It's bizarre. I mean it's not like he's a little off at times, he's often not even close - yet conversely he'll show flashes of his old brilliance in day practice (though less lately).
So Chiz wasn't the magic tester to find Chase what he wants?
I just find it so hard to believe the bike is that bad. Even the 09 Hondas, 2010 Yamahas, AF Honda 2 strokes, Conventional Fork Suzukis all found SOME level success.
Maybe only the PDS KTM 250s were on this level?
This is really starting to seem a lot like the factory Yamaha 450 program before Star. Multiple riders not riding anywhere close to there potential.
I was bashing on Prado last year but he seems somewhat vindicated. Not for quitting but for saying the bike sucks.
Outside of the normal trolls, what disrespect and what's anyone saying that's not deserved? He's my current favorite American rider but its hard to to call him a flake. Or a diva. I dont know, its one of those things. Maybe it is s shit show at Kawi, just look at Jorge last year. But Chase certainly seems to have a history here. Honda, KTM, now Kawi? The stuff Mathes and Blair were saying on their weekly podcast was crazy. Sounds like the Chase/Kawi relationship is pretty bad. Already?!
With Matthes mentioning Star, if your Chase, that program is ran very differently with obvious success.
If you are Yamaha you have HD and place Chase on the old bonus program. But if you look at Webb, JCoop, and Chase that is an interesting pickle. JCoop makes the move to triumph and it frees up another position and more salary. Monster stays, alpinestar stays, so the move isn’t “that” difficult.
Wild West times for Kawi that is for certain, and the recent interview with Dan Fahie really didn’t help the situation.
Where was the recent interview with Dan?
Kawi has obvious issues. If you’ve never worked somewhere toxic, it’s hard to understand.
I had a small mechanical engineering firm offer me a job as the lead designer. I was at a civil firm at the time. They wanted me to come in and make some changes to their program to help their models work better in the real world. Anyway I looked through all their stuff and we had these huge all day meetings about it. Nothing got done and I left within a few months.
Sounds like this is probably what’s going on at Kawi.
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