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If they did it they should be penalized. I just don't remember seeing them do it, or wasn't shown a replay of them doing it.
Not seeing "official" or "final" on anything yet. I may have missed a website ...
They showed it in the post race show, and a picture earlier in the thread. No doubt Brown passed Shimoda by jumping passed him with the red “no jump” light on.
Can you imagine a NFL, MLB, or NBA game where you haven’t heard a ruling 10 hours later how the game ended? How hard is it to follow the rule book and make a decision?? They have no problem deducting points for failed sound test but some reason this seems to be a judgement call if they want to follow the rules??
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Too many clips clearly showing the light was on & this is where the AMA absolutely need to review and take swift "in race" action.
Leaving it til after the race isn't acceptable and days after race is completely unacceptable.
I was very anti - but for me, I'm at point now where in-ear comms would actually solve a lot of issues we're seeing- assuming the AMA can react quicker to scenarios like this.
"you jumped on the red light, give the spot back to Jo" - 20x less demoralising for Pearce after "winning", standing atop the podium, only to see a page from the AMA next week with the penalty. Equally, he could have given the spot back and still go on to pass Jo for the win....
Same thing with the lappers at this point - a heads up in the ear to get out the way is far less detrimental to the overall race than it is to the one guy getting lapped. Imagine if Jordon Smith took out Hunter in the whoops this evening when he was trying to get around Kenny. Race and championship lead gone because someone who themselves is racing for position, has had the blue flag waved at them inconsistently for the last lap and wasn't aware the leaders where finally behind them.
Add in that we've had two pit board dramas the last two years for collisions and injuries to a top performer as a consequence.
Hate to say it, know I'll get thumbs down on this but we need to make some improvements here and get with the times.
Complete amateurs and poor race direction.
Oh I'm sure webb,eli and roczen are all fixing to lose 5 points, for jumping the finish.
If they jumped with the lights on, the penalty should be as Mav posted. How is this hard?
Same shit happened in tne 450 class and from what zi have heard, they are investigating both classes and there will be an announcement on Tuesday, maybe sooner.
Im expecting Joey the get the 25 points but finish positions will remain.
Hunter is good but Tomac, Webb and Roczen should be getting some sort of penalty.
that would NEVER work... essentially stopping the race for every instance of a red cross.. there are SO many instances during an event you'd rarely get more than a few laps in
If they do not penalize Brown, they effectively penalize Jo for following the rules. Its amazing that Jo was the only one to see the lights in real time. They need to be strict with the rule.
As much as I may not like them taking a win away from somebody. It has to be done so that riders are not making a judgment when they see a red light or cross flag. And jumping if they think its a mistake. The rule is clear that even if there is no rider down the light or flag mean the same thing as if there is a rider down.
I wonder if the gambling is impacting the ruling or how long its taking to make the ruling? It seems pretty clear to me. The screenshots show the lights were on for Brown . Sucks to see his win taken away. But its the right thing to do.
I'm assuming the results they posted this morning on the supercross live Instagram are official.
Nope... still say provisional online. (instagram is not the official results posting platform, the results page is)
BUT It also currently isn't showing any points for Shimoda... so it's likely being updated now...
It would be VERY odd if they gave him points for a position he didn't earn as opposed to taking points from those who jumped on the red light.
This is bs that it happened at all, but it happened on lap 5?
17:45 left in the 450* main, Weege explicitly states the rule and how Pierce broke the rule… wake up Sunday morning and Pierce is still the winner.
You just informed every person watching the broadcast that Pierce should have been penalized. So, where is the explanation from the AMA as to why he was not? What kind of precedent does this set, where a rule can be broken, the rule is confirmed to have been broken by photo/video evidence, further confirmed by the commentary booth, with no action and no explanation for why no action was taken?
So, riders can just assume the lights are on by mistake now and jump with no repercussions? It doesn’t matter if they were on by mistake, they were on. The rule was broken. Shit, I’m pissed for Jo, this is bullshit.
Absolute utter complete chit show
That red light needs to be much bigger and more noticeable!! I don’t think guys jump because they’re breaking the rules, intentionally. I think they break the rules most of the time because they don’t see the damn light.🤷♂️🤷♂️🤷♂️🤷♂️🤷♂️
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Another W for Star Yamaha. Sucks for Shimoda.
How is there 17:45 left in a 15 minute +1 main event?
I have said it 100 times...the AMA is a frigging joke...crap organization.
I thought that too at first read, but I'm pretty sure he is stating that only 2 to 3 minutes into the 450 Main it was already being discussed on the broadcast that Pierce did indeed jump on red. So they know that fact fairly soon after the 250 Main finished.
At least to the end of the timing sections. They already have a leader's light on the bike. Turn the whole section red until everyone on the same lap clears the section.
That’s right, it was in the 450 main when Weege was speaking on it. Wasn’t clear on that, edited for clarity.
If they do not fix it by putting Shimoda with the point lead, the this will be a HUUUUUUUGE FAIL!
If it were as clear cut about which riders in the field jumped on the red as many here seem to think, they would have made a decision. Finalizing the results means they have to sort through all the riders. Let them make a decision, then you can grab your pitch forks.
Hey AMA...put your white cane down and ask your seeing eye dog. It's literally on video. There is no confusion. Stevie Wonder could see this one and he's pissed.
They are able to put a green led on each bike to show who's first. Is it not possible to put a red light on the top of the front fender, blinks as they are in section b1 or something like that, when there is a red flag area. It is coded to match a certain area, so everyone that goes into an area, it starts blinking? Jmho.
Racer X post of Feld's official press release. Acting like it didn't happen...
It will be interesting to read convoluted BS they inevitably come up with because it made them look stupid and they won't accept responsibility. Probably something along the lines of "the red lights came on in error so there was no danger and no rule breach.
When you have posts like this from the official Supercross IG, wouldn’t you assume that a decision has been made?
Seeing now that it’s still “provisional”, I’m hopeful that they make the right decision for Jo’s sake. Pitchforks aren’t in hand, but they’re outta the shed ready to go, lol
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