Always a bridesmaid and never the bride

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Edited Date/Time 10/24/2025 8:44am

I've always wondered in our sport who some of the best riders were that had notoriously finished second and never won a championship or just very few. Only the best usually are talked about and recognized. Mike Allessi comes to mind finishing second many times in the motocross series during his time. He was never quite able to clinch that elusive first place.  

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skyrebel88 wrote:
I've always wondered in our sport who some of the best riders were that had notoriously finished second and never won a championship or just very...

I've always wondered in our sport who some of the best riders were that had notoriously finished second and never won a championship or just very few. Only the best usually are talked about and recognized. Mike Allessi comes to mind finishing second many times in the motocross series during his time. He was never quite able to clinch that elusive first place.  

KW.....is the king of always the bridesmaid....

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skyrebel88 wrote:
I've always wondered in our sport who some of the best riders were that had notoriously finished second and never won a championship or just very...

I've always wondered in our sport who some of the best riders were that had notoriously finished second and never won a championship or just very few. Only the best usually are talked about and recognized. Mike Allessi comes to mind finishing second many times in the motocross series during his time. He was never quite able to clinch that elusive first place.  

DonM wrote:

KW.....is the king of always the bridesmaid....

K-dub was going to be my pick also. 8 time runner up. 

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Kevin Sherman from Florida

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skyrebel88 wrote:
I've always wondered in our sport who some of the best riders were that had notoriously finished second and never won a championship or just very...

I've always wondered in our sport who some of the best riders were that had notoriously finished second and never won a championship or just very few. Only the best usually are talked about and recognized. Mike Allessi comes to mind finishing second many times in the motocross series during his time. He was never quite able to clinch that elusive first place.  

DonM wrote:

KW.....is the king of always the bridesmaid....

Deadric wrote:

K-dub was going to be my pick also. 8 time runner up. 

One of the AMA's all-time greatest champions.... if it wasn't for that pesky Ricky Carmichael. 

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Hunter Lawrence will take this title in a few short years

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There'd be a lot of premier class Champions if Mcgrath and RC never existed. Windham, Dowd, DV, Lusk come to mind.

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Marnicq Bervoets and Kurt Nicoll...

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skyrebel88 wrote:
I've always wondered in our sport who some of the best riders were that had notoriously finished second and never won a championship or just very...

I've always wondered in our sport who some of the best riders were that had notoriously finished second and never won a championship or just very few. Only the best usually are talked about and recognized. Mike Allessi comes to mind finishing second many times in the motocross series during his time. He was never quite able to clinch that elusive first place.  

DonM wrote:

KW.....is the king of always the bridesmaid....

2008 SX broke my heart

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10/24/2025 10:19am

KDub, Andrew Short, Jake Wiemer, Nick Wey, Marvin Musquin, Ken Roczen, Justin Barcia, Josh Grant all come to mind as great riders that always had the skills but someone just a little better than them.

10/24/2025 10:41am
KDub, Andrew Short, Jake Wiemer, Nick Wey, Marvin Musquin, Ken Roczen, Justin Barcia, Josh Grant all come to mind as great riders that always had the...

KDub, Andrew Short, Jake Wiemer, Nick Wey, Marvin Musquin, Ken Roczen, Justin Barcia, Josh Grant all come to mind as great riders that always had the skills but someone just a little better than them.

Roczen has 2 outdoor titles, so he wouldn't count

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Snapper wrote:

Marnicq Bervoets and Kurt Nicoll...

For MXGP, Josh Coppins has to be an honorable mention, too. 

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10/24/2025 11:13am Edited Date/Time 10/24/2025 11:13am

Chad Reed, although you can't say never the bride.  He was bridesmaid a LOT though...

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MotoDad32 wrote:

Chad Reed, although you can't say never the bride.  He was bridesmaid a LOT though...

I was gonna say...just look at the stats. Reed is fortunately & unfortunately #1 in runner ups. Hard to think how many wins were from RC,CR,KW, & JS had in the relative same period of time. Reed was 2nd place A LOT. But he sure won a lot of triumphant rides. I think he gave away a handful of races and maybe 2 more SX titles along the way. Still a Legend, zero doubt about Reedy's skills.

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EAmato88 wrote:

Hunter Lawrence will take this title in a few short years

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Davi Millsaps.. Finished 2nd in SX 2 years in a row

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MotoDad32 wrote:

Chad Reed, although you can't say never the bride.  He was bridesmaid a LOT though...

HonDawg17 wrote:
I was gonna say...just look at the stats. Reed is fortunately & unfortunately #1 in runner ups. Hard to think how many wins were from RC,CR,KW...

I was gonna say...just look at the stats. Reed is fortunately & unfortunately #1 in runner ups. Hard to think how many wins were from RC,CR,KW, & JS had in the relative same period of time. Reed was 2nd place A LOT. But he sure won a lot of triumphant rides. I think he gave away a handful of races and maybe 2 more SX titles along the way. Still a Legend, zero doubt about Reedy's skills.

Not only was Reedy 2nd a lot, he was a mere 14 points away from having 6 premier titles instead of 3. That’s damn close to block passing the bride on the way up the isle. 
However KW never got one, so he’s the greatest rider never to win a championship for me.

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MotoDad32 wrote:

Chad Reed, although you can't say never the bride.  He was bridesmaid a LOT though...

HonDawg17 wrote:
I was gonna say...just look at the stats. Reed is fortunately & unfortunately #1 in runner ups. Hard to think how many wins were from RC,CR,KW...

I was gonna say...just look at the stats. Reed is fortunately & unfortunately #1 in runner ups. Hard to think how many wins were from RC,CR,KW, & JS had in the relative same period of time. Reed was 2nd place A LOT. But he sure won a lot of triumphant rides. I think he gave away a handful of races and maybe 2 more SX titles along the way. Still a Legend, zero doubt about Reedy's skills.

He lost the SX title by 7 points or less three times.

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Marven Musquin was a beast, people forget how good that guy was.

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The 2 that always come first to mind for me are Kevin Windham and Marniq Bervoets……

Bradshaw would be right there for me except that he packed it in too early. 

Most gifted to never win a title might be Robbie Reynard, though. 

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10/24/2025 3:42pm Edited Date/Time 10/27/2025 9:39am

What if you removed the champion from the last 25 years? 

2025 - Sexton / 2024 - Webb / 2023 - Tomac / 2022 - Anderson / 2021 - Roczen / 2020 - Webb

2019 - Tomac / 2018 - Musquin / 2017 - Tomac / 2016 - Roczen / 2015 - Tomac

2014 - Dungey / 2013 - Millsaps / 2012 - Millsaps / 2011 - Reed / 2010 - Windham

2009 - Reed / 2008 - Windham / 2007 - Reed / 2006 - Stewart / 2005 - Reed

2004 - Windham / 2003 - Reed / 2002 - Vuillemin / 2001 - McGrath / 2000 - Vuillemin

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How crazy would the nineties have looked if you removed the champion from each year.

1999 - Lusk / 1998 - Lusk / 1997 - McGrath / 1996 - Emig / 1995 - L. Ward

1994 - LaRocco / 1993 - Kiedrowski / 1992 - Bradshaw / 1991 - Stanton / 1990 - J. Ward

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Josh Coppins

Sylvain Geboers

Ake Jonsson 

Gerrit Wolsink

Jim Pomeroy

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10/24/2025 7:01pm Edited Date/Time 10/24/2025 7:02pm

Saw some stats on Reed today and he’s apparently first in being second (races not championships).

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jasonv43 wrote:
What if you removed the champion from the last 25 years? 2025 - Sexton / 2024 - Webb / 2023 - Tomac / 2022 - Anderson /...

What if you removed the champion from the last 25 years? 

2025 - Sexton / 2024 - Webb / 2023 - Tomac / 2022 - Anderson / 2021 - Roczen / 2020 - Webb

2019 - Tomac / 2018 - Musquin / 2017 - Tomac / 2016 - Roczen / 2015 - Tomac

2014 - Dungey / 2013 - Millsaps / 2012 - Millsaps / 2011 - Reed / 2010 - Windham

2009 - Reed / 2008 - Windham / 2007 - Reed / 2006 - Stewart / 2005 - Reed

2004 - Windham / 2003 - Reed / 2002 - Vuillemin / 2001 - McGrath / 2000 - Vuillemin

2010 would have been Windham, Metcalfe wasn't in the 450s. 2009 would have been Reed

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jasonv43 wrote:
What if you removed the champion from the last 25 years? 2025 - Sexton / 2024 - Webb / 2023 - Tomac / 2022 - Anderson /...

What if you removed the champion from the last 25 years? 

2025 - Sexton / 2024 - Webb / 2023 - Tomac / 2022 - Anderson / 2021 - Roczen / 2020 - Webb

2019 - Tomac / 2018 - Musquin / 2017 - Tomac / 2016 - Roczen / 2015 - Tomac

2014 - Dungey / 2013 - Millsaps / 2012 - Millsaps / 2011 - Reed / 2010 - Windham

2009 - Reed / 2008 - Windham / 2007 - Reed / 2006 - Stewart / 2005 - Reed

2004 - Windham / 2003 - Reed / 2002 - Vuillemin / 2001 - McGrath / 2000 - Vuillemin

Derpin' DJ wrote:

2010 would have been Windham, Metcalfe wasn't in the 450s. 2009 would have been Reed

My bad I fixed it. Too much copy pasting.😆

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jasonv43 wrote:
What if you removed the champion from the last 25 years? 2025 - Sexton / 2024 - Webb / 2023 - Tomac / 2022 - Anderson /...

What if you removed the champion from the last 25 years? 

2025 - Sexton / 2024 - Webb / 2023 - Tomac / 2022 - Anderson / 2021 - Roczen / 2020 - Webb

2019 - Tomac / 2018 - Musquin / 2017 - Tomac / 2016 - Roczen / 2015 - Tomac

2014 - Dungey / 2013 - Millsaps / 2012 - Millsaps / 2011 - Reed / 2010 - Windham

2009 - Reed / 2008 - Windham / 2007 - Reed / 2006 - Stewart / 2005 - Reed

2004 - Windham / 2003 - Reed / 2002 - Vuillemin / 2001 - McGrath / 2000 - Vuillemin

2004 was Windham not Carmichael.

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10/27/2025 8:01am

2012 would have been Millsaps 

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In terms of premier class main event results, Chad Reed had 59 second place finishes. 20 more than the next closest guy, Ryan Dungey. Coincidentally, Reed finished 2nd in 22% of his premier class starts. Windham has the most in 450 motocross with 26. Of the ten riders to have 15 or more second place finishes in 450 mx, Mike Alessi has 17 and is the only one of the ten to not have a championship.

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