SMX Gimmick

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9/7/2025 4:04pm Edited Date/Time 9/7/2025 4:07pm

"Who wouldn't want to spend xx more Saturdays watching dirtbike racing?"

Oh, I don't know........ maybe someone who gets out and rides dirtbikes? 🤣

"Super-duper-motor-cross" is a fecken joke on all levels. Crap tracks, crap organisation, crap racing, crap manufactured drama, with starts like exhibition races in Europe. It's carnie shit, man. 

After 17 rounds of Supercross (which is beta male motocross) you haven't seen enough yet? You REALLY need to see Jett Lawrence win one more time? Did you miss the last time? Remember what Einstein supposedly said about doing the same thing over and over, expecting a different outcome? 

I like Weege, but he's really cuckolding himself with his noisy hype about "the most prestigious series in the world" and "world championship bla-bla-bla"

Horseshit. It's exhibition "racing" for prize money, is all.  

 

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9/7/2025 4:21pm
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SMX is a fucking joke

100% they hype this shit up all year and only run 1 set of motos the whole paddock has been at the event since Thursday they...

100% they hype this shit up all year and only run 1 set of motos the whole paddock has been at the event since Thursday they can’t run two motos Sunday morning he fuck if it’s televised. 

No media outlet will come out and say this is bullshit they are literally in everyone’s pocket. 

Exactly, people will call in to pulp tomorrow, but because Steve and JT are in their back pockets, they won’t step out of line and will make excuses

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"Who wouldn't want to spend xx more Saturdays watching dirtbike racing?"Oh, I don't know........ maybe someone who gets out and rides dirtbikes? 🤣"Super-duper-motor-cross" is a...

"Who wouldn't want to spend xx more Saturdays watching dirtbike racing?"

Oh, I don't know........ maybe someone who gets out and rides dirtbikes? 🤣

"Super-duper-motor-cross" is a fecken joke on all levels. Crap tracks, crap organisation, crap racing, crap manufactured drama, with starts like exhibition races in Europe. It's carnie shit, man. 

After 17 rounds of Supercross (which is beta male motocross) you haven't seen enough yet? You REALLY need to see Jett Lawrence win one more time? Did you miss the last time? Remember what Einstein supposedly said about doing the same thing over and over, expecting a different outcome? 

I like Weege, but he's really cuckolding himself with his noisy hype about "the most prestigious series in the world" and "world championship bla-bla-bla"

Horseshit. It's exhibition "racing" for prize money, is all.  

 

Wow you sound like a treat.

You said all that, when you could have saved the energy and just don't watch SX or SMX. 

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9/7/2025 5:18pm
englishman wrote:
Every move this sport executes makes it look even more amateur than it did - if that’s even possible. SMX came about because of WSX. Everyone knows...

Every move this sport executes makes it look even more amateur than it did - if that’s even possible. 

SMX came about because of WSX. Everyone knows this.

Zero originality or thought went in to its development just a “we can’t let those guys one up us” knee jerk reaction with no thought at all. 

Calling it playoffs . Seriously ? “ let’s just copy every single other major league sporting body because we can’t be bothered to be original “

World Championship. Seriously ? Three races is a “World championship “ ? OK then…….

I can imagine each winner of this clown show is happy with the extra cash it provides but nothing else about it.

 

soggy wrote:
Does it need some work, yea. But some of the options in here are insane. I swear if Feld gave some of y’all a briefcase of cash...

Does it need some work, yea. 

But some of the options in here are insane. I swear if Feld gave some of y’all a briefcase of cash you’d complain because you had to carry it. 

I haven't been on the board much lately. Busy with work, actually riding, life is just busy. I didn't even see the race yesterday. I pop in here and its meltdown city. Jesus

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davis224 wrote:
Anyone else feel like society is just getting dumber and dumber and everyone is so on edge that they have emotional meltdowns/lash out to deal with...

Anyone else feel like society is just getting dumber and dumber and everyone is so on edge that they have emotional meltdowns/lash out to deal with all the anger they're feeling? Because a dirt bike race ran 2 motos instead of 4 due to logistics?

It’s definitely a different world these days. Born in 60 , there was no cable when I grew up. Wide World of Sports was all we...

It’s definitely a different world these days. Born in 60 , there was no cable when I grew up. Wide World of Sports was all we had back then. 90% of that was recorded. Motorcycle Racing of any kind if we were lucky,  was shown once a year, if you missed it, there was no rerun. So I’m grateful for what we have today….. even if it was just half the racing. The beauty of it is…….it’s on next week!!!!! WOOHOO!

About to hit Medicare age soon and back then I think Evil Knievel was the only thing that was live lol

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Talon wrote:
Not enough. Go find the top 20 in any other sport and tell me how much they make compared to them.  25 to 28K for being in...

Not enough. Go find the top 20 in any other sport and tell me how much they make compared to them. 

 

25 to 28K for being in the top 20 in the world. Peanuts

Sully wrote:
The top 20 in other sports make more because those sports have a bigger audience. An average golf tourney’s weekend tv ratings (~3M) is a little...

The top 20 in other sports make more because those sports have a bigger audience. An average golf tourney’s weekend tv ratings (~3M) is a little less than half of 2024’s entire SX season ratings (7.3M). 

Talon wrote:
Yep. good call. 25k to be in the top 20 for a professional sport is right on par. Im sure these big companies like Feld and...

Yep. good call. 25k to be in the top 20 for a professional sport is right on par. Im sure these big companies like Feld and Mx sports couldn't afford anything more.   

Let me guess. You're one of those folks that believe in socialism...

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englishman wrote:
Every move this sport executes makes it look even more amateur than it did - if that’s even possible. SMX came about because of WSX. Everyone knows...

Every move this sport executes makes it look even more amateur than it did - if that’s even possible. 

SMX came about because of WSX. Everyone knows this.

Zero originality or thought went in to its development just a “we can’t let those guys one up us” knee jerk reaction with no thought at all. 

Calling it playoffs . Seriously ? “ let’s just copy every single other major league sporting body because we can’t be bothered to be original “

World Championship. Seriously ? Three races is a “World championship “ ? OK then…….

I can imagine each winner of this clown show is happy with the extra cash it provides but nothing else about it.

 

But that can’t be true. Weedge said “they have been planning it for years”

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9/7/2025 7:02pm

I’m not near as fired up about this as yall are. Shit happens. Zero chance they were excited about canceling the second motos. Mistakes were made that they should improve upon but if you don’t like smx you can just watch the two traditional champions and not watch smx. Seems like no big deal to me. 

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9/7/2025 7:52pm
Basically, that was one of the sketchiest SX tracks ever, and an act of God saved the riders from having to deal with it as a...

Basically, that was one of the sketchiest SX tracks ever, and an act of God saved the riders from having to deal with it as a sloppy mess. Moving on to round two of the “post season.” 

Amen. freaking 12 endos on the same jump. I remember last year when they put Super minis at one of these events and it was a crash fest last year. I mean I love challenging tracks and thigns seperating riders but to throw amatuers out there on something like this is a televised Deathwish. Thank you GOD.

Point number 2 though: The women had to/were able to race three motos at iron man, but who would make the boys do such a thing? After all first place in the womens class pays $300.

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9/7/2025 7:54pm
englishman wrote:
Every move this sport executes makes it look even more amateur than it did - if that’s even possible. SMX came about because of WSX. Everyone knows...

Every move this sport executes makes it look even more amateur than it did - if that’s even possible. 

SMX came about because of WSX. Everyone knows this.

Zero originality or thought went in to its development just a “we can’t let those guys one up us” knee jerk reaction with no thought at all. 

Calling it playoffs . Seriously ? “ let’s just copy every single other major league sporting body because we can’t be bothered to be original “

World Championship. Seriously ? Three races is a “World championship “ ? OK then…….

I can imagine each winner of this clown show is happy with the extra cash it provides but nothing else about it.

 

joshd wrote:

But that can’t be true. Weedge said “they have been planning it for years”

That's because this sport is ran by people who have ridden a quad twice in there life.

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9/7/2025 8:10pm

Please no more drag strips.

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bigk218 wrote:
Been saying this from day one.  It’s a joke.  J coop.  Congrats.  You raced every race and had a points lead.  As a reward you go...

Been saying this from day one.  It’s a joke.  J coop.  Congrats.  You raced every race and had a points lead.  As a reward you go into SMX with a whole three point lead over Jett.  It’s pathetic 

soggy wrote:

Quick without looking who are the last 5 grand national champs before smx started?  

UpTiTe wrote:

There was only 1 I believe, and it was David Bailey. In 83. 

There were 2,. Bailey won the 1983 & 1984 AMA Wrangler Grand National Championship's. 1984 was the final year as wrangler chose not to renew it's sponsorship of the GN program.

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Is SMX a gimmick? I don’t really care. It gives us three more races that aren’t your ordinary sx/mx tracks. I could sit here and complain about it but I’d rather just enjoy the three extra races. I’m willing to bet the same people that are complaining about everything are still going to watch the last two races anyway. 

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While extra races are good for the fans, what about the riders? Imagine making it through the supercross season, followed by the hot as hell outdoors…only to have ANOTHER series you must ride in (I’m sure it’s in most their contracts).  If I were a top pro, I’d love to have a break to recover, recharge, spend time with the fam, than to have to race another series that has no impact on points.  While the AMA and Feld may want to make the sport more “mainstream”, I think they just want to capitalize on the offseason time, instead of another promoter.  What would make SMX more interesting is if they could incorporate the SMX-style venues and the MONEY into the current points paying series.

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9/8/2025 6:49pm
bv164 wrote:
While extra races are good for the fans, what about the riders? Imagine making it through the supercross season, followed by the hot as hell outdoors…only...

While extra races are good for the fans, what about the riders? Imagine making it through the supercross season, followed by the hot as hell outdoors…only to have ANOTHER series you must ride in (I’m sure it’s in most their contracts).  If I were a top pro, I’d love to have a break to recover, recharge, spend time with the fam, than to have to race another series that has no impact on points.  While the AMA and Feld may want to make the sport more “mainstream”, I think they just want to capitalize on the offseason time, instead of another promoter.  What would make SMX more interesting is if they could incorporate the SMX-style venues and the MONEY into the current points paying series.

Kind of a dumb argument. If the riders don’t like it or need a break they don’t compete. Plenty of riders skip the outdoors. My girlfriend is a teacher and gets the summer off. I would love to have the summer off. I chose to do something else for work. Not sure why everyone worries so much about their salaries and schedule. 

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9/8/2025 7:04pm
bv164 wrote:
While extra races are good for the fans, what about the riders? Imagine making it through the supercross season, followed by the hot as hell outdoors…only...

While extra races are good for the fans, what about the riders? Imagine making it through the supercross season, followed by the hot as hell outdoors…only to have ANOTHER series you must ride in (I’m sure it’s in most their contracts).  If I were a top pro, I’d love to have a break to recover, recharge, spend time with the fam, than to have to race another series that has no impact on points.  While the AMA and Feld may want to make the sport more “mainstream”, I think they just want to capitalize on the offseason time, instead of another promoter.  What would make SMX more interesting is if they could incorporate the SMX-style venues and the MONEY into the current points paying series.

Imagine working a 9-5 all year, with maybe 2-3 weeks of vacation. Oh wait… that’s life. We all have to work to provide and survive. These professionals riders are no different. They would never go work a normal job if they had a choice between the two. I don’t feel bad for them. 

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Is SMX a gimmick? I don’t really care. It gives us three more races that aren’t your ordinary sx/mx tracks. I could sit here and complain...

Is SMX a gimmick? I don’t really care. It gives us three more races that aren’t your ordinary sx/mx tracks. I could sit here and complain about it but I’d rather just enjoy the three extra races. I’m willing to bet the same people that are complaining about everything are still going to watch the last two races anyway. 

💯👍🏻

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And they are so tired and beat up that they still sign up for MXoN, WSX, King of Paris, Ausi-X etc. 

Racers wanna race

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9/9/2025 1:19pm

I think a handful of people are forgetting the Entertainment part of Feld Entertainment. 

I was at the race, was I upset how thing ended, yes. As people commented before, Sunday wasn't an option due to the impossible ask of all the staff members needed to move their schedules, that was just never going to happen. The biggest issue wasn't the lightning, it was the lack of lightning. 

I work for a dirt racing company that puts on hundreds of events a year and whenever the lighting at a facility isn't adequate we bring in portable light towers. So the fact that FELD didn't even consider to have them ready on standby in case of a delay like what we ended up having is absolutely unacceptable. You are a multi BILLION dollar company and you cant throw a couple grand at renting some equipment for a just in case situation is a huge lack of foresight. That is what upset me the most.

That being said, racers want to race & there is life changing amounts of money up for grabs. I think it was Marchbanks in an interview saying he had something like $250 in his bank account at one point than he got 7th in the 2023 450SMX standings and got $120 grand in return. For a lot of these guys, the money on the line for SMX is "wreck your own mother" levels of money. And for 3 extra races, guys aren't going to turn that down.

I look forward to the next 2 weeks of action and entertainment before the "off season" and I hope y all do too!

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I just view it as an extended, beefed-up version of the Monster Cup. From that lens, it's a fun few rounds of racing to watch. And I don't have a problem with Moto 2 getting canceled last weekend... it's standard practice now for events to be canceled if there's persistent lightning, and it's not as easy to make it up as a baseball team making up a postponed game at their own stadium that's already perfectly set up for them to play baseball.

My only issue is marketing it as a "playoff". Playoffs exist in team sports because teams are only playing each other one at a time and often have different schedules from each other. Therefore, having a bracket-style tournament at the end of the season is the best way to get all the teams who have proven to be "good" onto an even playing field and determine who is truly the best.

A racing series with a points system does not need a separate playoff to determine a champion because every race is effectively a playoff. Every rider is racing every rider, and there's no "ifs" or "buts" about the results. At the end of both the SX and MX seasons, whoever wins each title did everything you could ask a champion to do. There doesn't need to be another round or mini-series to prove who's the best.

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Talon wrote:
Same can be said for this thread. You dont like my opinion? Fuck off and move on. The promoters could just as easily dedicate that money to...

Same can be said for this thread. You dont like my opinion? Fuck off and move on.

 

The promoters could just as easily dedicate that money to the standings of the grand national champion type thing. The only reason this series exists is to get your ticket money so they can give peanuts to the riders

You’re on vital so I can’t imagine you don’t know that NBC mandated a playoff be created in the tv package deal they made with feld and mx sports. That is the reason it exists. 

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I want to see more racing like the Daytona supercross. Obviously the season is too long if nobody can make every round (McElrath was the only one last year).

Less football & baseball stadiums and more speedway-style tracks. Bristol after the NASCAR dirt races would have been perfect. Definitely need better venues than dragstrips, but the racing can be so much more than another supercross round.

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Jkawi wrote:

Let me guess. You're one of those folks that believe in socialism...

Yeah socialism in America is only for rich people and farmers! 

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bv164 wrote:
While extra races are good for the fans, what about the riders? Imagine making it through the supercross season, followed by the hot as hell outdoors…only...

While extra races are good for the fans, what about the riders? Imagine making it through the supercross season, followed by the hot as hell outdoors…only to have ANOTHER series you must ride in (I’m sure it’s in most their contracts).  If I were a top pro, I’d love to have a break to recover, recharge, spend time with the fam, than to have to race another series that has no impact on points.  While the AMA and Feld may want to make the sport more “mainstream”, I think they just want to capitalize on the offseason time, instead of another promoter.  What would make SMX more interesting is if they could incorporate the SMX-style venues and the MONEY into the current points paying series.

Imagine working a 9-5 all year, with maybe 2-3 weeks of vacation. Oh wait… that’s life. We all have to work to provide and survive. These...

Imagine working a 9-5 all year, with maybe 2-3 weeks of vacation. Oh wait… that’s life. We all have to work to provide and survive. These professionals riders are no different. They would never go work a normal job if they had a choice between the two. I don’t feel bad for them. 

What other hyper physical sport goes full on year round??? There are seasons for a reason. Professional sports are not your typical 9 to 5 and why the term elite level is often used. You never hear in the office that Sheila can’t can’t be replaced or she must be here week in and week out cause she’s elite level at payroll. 

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9/13/2025 8:41am Edited Date/Time 9/13/2025 8:42am

I get that everything gets put under a microscope on this site, but I mean, who doesnt want to be entertained by MORE racing. The riders are getting MORE money, and MORE riders are racing outdoors which seems to be the preferred series by the masses here. 

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I don’t know what everyone is complaining about. I subscribe to SuperMotocross Premium+ and got to see the second races.

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Does anyone expect smx to stick around long? Especially if wsx goes away? I cant shake the feeling that in a few years theyll eventually get rid of it like they did with monster cup and just go back to sx and mx like it always was. It doesnt feel like its going to be around long imo. 

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I personally enjoyed Monster Cup. Just enough time away from moto that got me missing moto, and just enough time afterwards to build the anticipation for the SX season - it was a great appetizer. It was also cool seeing silly season be introduced there. Maybe I’m a one off but I really enjoyed Monster Cup.

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My take from this weekend was: "Man, SX 2026 should only build bigger tracks like this one"

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9/14/2025 1:59pm Edited Date/Time 9/14/2025 2:04pm
Pop Shmoke wrote:
Does anyone expect smx to stick around long? Especially if wsx goes away? I cant shake the feeling that in a few years theyll eventually get...

Does anyone expect smx to stick around long? Especially if wsx goes away? I cant shake the feeling that in a few years theyll eventually get rid of it like they did with monster cup and just go back to sx and mx like it always was. It doesnt feel like its going to be around long imo. 

They just renewed it for 5 years. It has nothing to do with WSX.

So if it does end after 2030, then it was a 8 year run. No way to predict what the landscape looks like in 2031+ right now. But so far the peacock deal has been delivering good numbers. Keep in mind, with the peacock deal and the addition of SMX, it also raised the regular SX and MX purses 30%. Not all the contract money went into just the SMX rounds. 

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