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a lot of people here suddenly sound like insurance adjusters
There are already speed limits on FIM tracks, been that for 15 years or so. 35-40mph average from the fastest rider (depending on local implementation). Same goes with what kind of jumps can be built, combinations, distances (with some variation).
It's part of the security package for building safer tracks.
Well, people that has knowledge and this under control are also the ones not that concerned about having working track insurance at affordable prices.
I guess your view explains why you are where you are right now, with a promotor desperately trying to get rid of content from accidents to avoid insurance company taking a look at it 😄
Maybe I'm missing something here, but I don't see a single mention of these speed limits or jump limitations, here or on a google search.
https://www.fim-moto.com/fileadmin/user_upload/Documents/2023/2023_1_MOTOCROSS_TECHNICAL_REGULATIONS.pdf?t=1682313196
Even if there are speed limits and limitations on jumps, why not make them even "safer"? People are getting hurt every single day with the rules that are currently in place (be it the rules as I understand them, or yours). From now on, we don't allow any gear above 2nd, and all races must be completely flat and straight, and all ruts must be groomed between every moto.
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Need to look at the right places. The National regulations goes further.
And i think that attitude is part of the problem to be honest. Or not think, it is the problem. That track owners and riders think they know better themselves, or actually can regulate this themselves.
Or that its Motocross. Its supposed to be really really dangerous and there is nothing we can do about it.
Just the fact that there is still mixing of 65cc and 450 on the same track at the same time is ridiculous.
Quit pretending like the FIM tracks conform to all their rules because they don’t. It’s also just a suggestion that tracks be built with an average speed of the whole race at 65km/h.
Where exactly do i say that? There will always be exceptions.
And where do you get the idea that it is optional to follow it? Because its mandatory, just as it says in page 1. But you can get exception and the final version is always implemented locally, but, you cant go beyond FIM regulations without exceptions.
If a certain track follow it or not is something else.
Okay, I'll eat some of my crow. But you need to have a taste if you think people are going <40 lol.
It's the average speed. And yes, we have the lower range implemented.
If you run above it, race supervisor is supposed to report it at end of race, and also track audit guys also looks at it when they do yearly or every other year visits and walk the track.
National racing organisation can monitor this since track length is part of the track license so you can see automatically who is going above or under the limits after every race through timing and scoring system used.
We have to consider it every time we rebuild or adjust the track more or less.
It says "average speed", so could be anywhere from 2 to 80 MPH on the lap, I guess.
Alex, I'll take things that never happen for $500. Effectively, your point is moot. There are zero enforced speed limits.
Not for nothing but I dont think the guy is a mensa candidate. Maybe that's where the name came from, he seems downright slow. And as far someone saying he might as well go scorched Earth because hes banned for life, there's always a path back. Second chances are a thing if you can be a professional. Or just keep trying to be Cooksey Jr and do your TMZ/Girls Gone Wild type videos. See how that route works out for you
No one else hit it…. Also it’s not a jump it’s an inside roller
That is wild, if true. I rode my KTM 690 Enduro on a motocross track a while back and I'll admit I was surprised at how fast I was going, in regards to mph. I was just cruising and I was easily hitting 35 and 40 mph. It shocked me a little bit because no wonder it's so easy to get hurt when you are crashing at 40+ mph. I rode my entire life on a track without a speedometer, so it was a real eye opener.
Exactly. And this is why the video BS for people that are not there is a problem. It's not a jump!
whoever filmed that is gonna get served and kicked out. youre making the sport look bad. /s
The Tree stays. I don't think many here have argued for it's cutting down, but I saw comments that could be taken as such a 'solution'.
The Track, Should be moved out , say, 10 to 12 feet to the left. It looks like there is room to do so, and, it might introduce a bit more of a corner aspect to it.
I'd like to see a picture that draws a line down from the Bulge / Growth direction of the main trunk that can be seen with it. It's hard to really see it, but I'd Not be surprised to see a line projected down from the tree, that is incredibly close to the edge of the track / the line of the Jump.
An 'Inside Roller, or "Bump'', becomes a Jump, with the speed that Some riders can go, by the way fellas. The bloke that hit the tree, graphically shows that.
I'm No Lawyer, (but I did stay in a MEGA BUCKS Hotel by Sydney Harbour a few nights this week - and No, I was Not paying for it!!!!! 😁) but as some have said, it would not be hard for the argument of safety, to be put forward if Litigation was pursued. But, by the same token, you can damned near bet your arse that Nothing will be done to move the track out from the tree during the rest of this years event - I'm sure they've got the equipment there to do so in but a few hours of work - nor do I think they will even Pad the Tree. That could be used against the Organizers etc in any Litigation that could come up.
What we do as a sport, as Motorcyclists, is far from Safe. We accept that, for the vast part of it all.
I've nearly always been far more of a Bush / Enduro / XC / Racer / Rider, than an MXer - heck, I've always regarded MX as much safer than what most of my riding is as there is far, far more control over it all - No one, well, normally, is coming from the opposite direction, and None of them with Bloody Bull Bars attached to them. But the crap about being 'heroes' by some because we ride among trees / by cliffs etc, at times at stupid speeds, well, it's horses for courses, as they say.
Just to appease you. I’ll quote GrapeApe. “This thread reminds me of the Rich Taylor thread, except all of the same participants have completely opposite views.”
As for the rider, I’m bummed for him.. I hope he’s ok. The incident reminded me of a WORCs race at Zaca Station where a kid hit a low hanging oak tree branch through a high-speed, silty, dusty section right in front of us. We were all going 4th/5th gear through a canopy of oak trees and solid dust when he instantly got smacked to the ground. It split his helmet wide open and knocked him out cold. They had to red flag the race and life flight him out. It was a bummer. Due to complaints and then the incident they did reroute the course for the rest of the weekend.
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It becomes a jump, if you make a mistake. Surprised it hasn’t happened before.
It was Shane Kelleher , the rider that made open threats to the announcers after they were laughing as he had some crazy saves and crashes last year.
I had just heard Adam Sandler in a video a little before I watched that one of Canning, and Shane sounds like him at the end when he says ohh no he hit the tree. Right before it cuts off. Knowing what I know about Shane, I would love to see a movie made with Adam sandler playing Shane.
I know Your joking about him getting kicked out.
Shit, you get about 30 more of those trees and you could think Namur.
Is there anything that people will not argue over anymore?
Can somebody that is Pro leaving the track as is explain why it's better than changing it to make it harder to hit the tree?
Seriously, take away any thoughts of lawsuits. If I have a track I want it to be as safe as possible. I don't want anything that could hurt somebody that adds nothing to the experience of riding the track. Moving the track to avoid a tree is not the same as removing a big jump. Its more like not parking a dozer beside the track.
Perhaps there are MX guys out there that live for skimming the random trees that line so few MX tracks. But I would think that would be more of a woods thing. I always wanted to rail corners, hit fun jumps , ducking trees was and is not on my list of things I think of when I think of going out to run motos.I've had to worry about hitting my head inside pretty much every building for most of my life. There was a low finishline banner I almost hit. Now that I think of it, RC hit a boat, James had the runin with a photographer, the 30 second girl and Webb ,I'm foggy on the names, but I think it was Albertien that hit a deer at an MXON or MXGP, and Torteli?? That hit a tree at southwick . I guess there could be racers that just want to become famous for hitting something on the sides of a track like the racers they look up to
What’s the death toll at?
I think some guys ride just so they can say they do something dangerous. You’re not core enough, if you want to eliminate unnecessary dangers.
Back in ‘82…I recall the 1st LL’s being a race from tree to tree. 😂
Zaca Station? Trees everywhere…plenty of tree turns.
Hollister…you came flying “out of the trees”.
Mammoth…the infamous Tree Turn.
Washougal…weren’t there trees virtually on the track back in the day?
Are we reading the same thing? He’s saying he hit that tree without making a mistake, which is kind of wild to me. If that doesnt tell you the track is at fault, I really dont know what does.
From Racerhead
The track design made this accident possible. It happened and the track was adjusted accordingly.
Should it have been adjusted previously to avoid such an accident; probably. Just because it hasn’t happened before, is no reason for ignorance, there’s always a first with every situation.
It’s a litigious society, no avoiding that unfortunately. MXSports should consider themselves lucky the first serious injury was a stand up guy like Canning.
I was also wtf, taking responsibility? 😂
Wasn't a single word in there that says he took responsibility, and neither should he.
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