Is stark varg dying off

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Titan1 wrote:
I've seen a lot of my neighbors buy Surons and absolutely love them, and they ride the wheels off of them for the first few months...

I've seen a lot of my neighbors buy Surons and absolutely love them, and they ride the wheels off of them for the first few months and then the novelty wears off, they get bored with it and they just collect dust in the garage...I can't count how many Surons I've seen for sale "because we just don't ride them anymore", "Just collecting dust in the garage"...

I think that there is a possibility that electric is just so good and so easy to ride that it takes so much of the challenge out of it, that some people can get bored with it...One of the things I love about dirt bikes is that its hard...there is just a lot going on, and a lot to figure out and master...brake with your foot, shift with your other foot, clutch with one hand, throttle and gas on the other, moving feet back and forth on the pegs to shift and brake...so much going on that is a constant challenge and one I've never gotten bored trying to master...take half of that challenge away (shifting, foot brake-with a LHB option, and clutch) and I think it can dumb down the riding experience to the point that it could get boring for a lot of people.  

If you're riding w/ purpose, it's a transfer of focus. Trying to go fast in motocross requires 100% attention. 
Without a clutch, my focus becomes picking up the throttle as smooth as I can to use all of the torque I have. I'm also on the rear hand brake since day 1. This is 100% a new challenge! Once your left hand builds/develops the feel for that rear brake, it becomes painfully obvious how much of an advantage the hand brake is. That being said, no brake pedal or shifter has me focused on my feet always being in the correct spot on the pegs, which leads to a better feel of the tires through my feet. 

I have 21 months on a Varg. My bike has 55hrs on it. IMG 1044 3.jpeg?VersionId=Z

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Mike_Royce wrote:
The range isn't great but it also depends on the type of riding. Tighter techy single track you could absolutely get a 40 mile ride. I've...

The range isn't great but it also depends on the type of riding. Tighter techy single track you could absolutely get a 40 mile ride. I've done 35 miles with 40% battery left....techy single track though. Fast paced trails 30-35 miles is the current limit. Which is fine for alot of people honestly. Moto with a generator you can rip all day. 

Jkawi wrote:

No, you did not.

Mike_Royce wrote:
Sure did. Doesn't make a difference to me if you believe me or not. Had it in 25hp with 50% regen. Real tight slow single track...

Sure did. Doesn't make a difference to me if you believe me or not. Had it in 25hp with 50% regen. Real tight slow single track. Normal trail riding I can only do 30 miles.

Agreed! That’s exactly what I’m getting out of mine trail riding. The battery for sure lasts longer than I can in the tight stuff.

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I wonder if there will be more triumphs around once the 450 is widely available? I’m kind of surprised how few triumphs there are around, they...

I wonder if there will be more triumphs around once the 450 is widely available? I’m kind of surprised how few triumphs there are around, they seem to be great bikes. I definitely wanna see them succeed and stick around. 

JBecker 72 wrote:
Same. I’m really happy with mine so far. I suspect there are many who are nervous about trying one. A couple months ago there were three...

Same. I’m really happy with mine so far. I suspect there are many who are nervous about trying one. A couple months ago there were three others at the track with me one day but so far that’s been the only time that was the case. I get a lot of people coming up to me in the pits and asking questions about it. So there’s a lot of interest for sure. 

My two buddies who have ridden it were very impressed. 

250 or 450? Everyone I've talked to on a 250 is very happy. There seem to be some issues with the 450's

I got a 250. 

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They are great, eventually i will own one

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I rode one for the first time a couple weekends ago. It was fucking awesome. 60hp with 75% regen braking. Left hand rear brake, which took some getting used to, was awesome. I went over several berms the first few laps. Nice handling chassis, very compliant suspension (medium settings, a bit soft for me). 

 

If one could last 3 hours at 40~  HP I would buy one tomorrow. There are two local to me, and one more on order. I don't think they are dying off, but maybe the initial breakthrough is slowing down. 

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7/8/2025 8:46am Edited Date/Time 7/8/2025 12:29pm

If the claims of 1000 -1400 bikes per month are actually true (12000- 17000 per yr), and the EX model has only been in production since June (so therefore doesn't factor in longer term sales figures), then the Varg MX is legitimately one of the better selling competition dirt bike models in the entire industry.

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7/8/2025 9:58am Edited Date/Time 7/8/2025 11:40am
If the claims of 1000 -1400 bikes per month are actually true (12000- 17000 per yr), and the EX model has only been in production since...

If the claims of 1000 -1400 bikes per month are actually true (12000- 17000 per yr), and the EX model has only been in production since June (so therefore doesn't factor in longer term sales figures), then the Varg MX is legitimately one of the better selling competition dirt bike models in the entire industry.

1 400 sales was their record monthly sales last April. That's all we really know about sales. 

One must also consider production. Production capacity ramped up in 2024, they have made about 7 000 bikes that year (so maybe about 500 sales/month, 6000/year?). 

I would hazard they're closer to 1000 sales per month for 2025, cumulating MX and EX sales. Production likely increased in 2025, don't know how many MX they have made but already over 4000 EX.

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7eleven wrote:
If you're riding w/ purpose, it's a transfer of focus. Trying to go fast in motocross requires 100% attention. Without a clutch, my focus becomes picking up...

If you're riding w/ purpose, it's a transfer of focus. Trying to go fast in motocross requires 100% attention. 
Without a clutch, my focus becomes picking up the throttle as smooth as I can to use all of the torque I have. I'm also on the rear hand brake since day 1. This is 100% a new challenge! Once your left hand builds/develops the feel for that rear brake, it becomes painfully obvious how much of an advantage the hand brake is. That being said, no brake pedal or shifter has me focused on my feet always being in the correct spot on the pegs, which leads to a better feel of the tires through my feet. 

I have 21 months on a Varg. My bike has 55hrs on it. IMG 1044 3.jpeg?VersionId=Z

Just quoting to say that is a badass picture! You must’ve been flying, the roost behind you says it all!

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7eleven wrote:
If you're riding w/ purpose, it's a transfer of focus. Trying to go fast in motocross requires 100% attention. Without a clutch, my focus becomes picking up...

If you're riding w/ purpose, it's a transfer of focus. Trying to go fast in motocross requires 100% attention. 
Without a clutch, my focus becomes picking up the throttle as smooth as I can to use all of the torque I have. I'm also on the rear hand brake since day 1. This is 100% a new challenge! Once your left hand builds/develops the feel for that rear brake, it becomes painfully obvious how much of an advantage the hand brake is. That being said, no brake pedal or shifter has me focused on my feet always being in the correct spot on the pegs, which leads to a better feel of the tires through my feet. 

I have 21 months on a Varg. My bike has 55hrs on it. IMG 1044 3.jpeg?VersionId=Z

aeffertz wrote:

Just quoting to say that is a badass picture! You must’ve been flying, the roost behind you says it all!

It was a rare end of day sesh w/ a berm that never got blown out by anyone. I prolly had 6 or 7 perfect laps, before she got too dry. 

Had no idea my chic was 100 yards away w/ her iPhone capturing. Stoked. 👊


Thx homie

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For the guys that have them, are they super flickable? I see all the badass free ride guys on them. Nick Tomasunas gets that thing completely backwards. At the Big Hill Jam there was a bunch of guys on them. 

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Titan1 wrote:
I've seen a lot of my neighbors buy Surons and absolutely love them, and they ride the wheels off of them for the first few months...

I've seen a lot of my neighbors buy Surons and absolutely love them, and they ride the wheels off of them for the first few months and then the novelty wears off, they get bored with it and they just collect dust in the garage...I can't count how many Surons I've seen for sale "because we just don't ride them anymore", "Just collecting dust in the garage"...

I think that there is a possibility that electric is just so good and so easy to ride that it takes so much of the challenge out of it, that some people can get bored with it...One of the things I love about dirt bikes is that its hard...there is just a lot going on, and a lot to figure out and master...brake with your foot, shift with your other foot, clutch with one hand, throttle and gas on the other, moving feet back and forth on the pegs to shift and brake...so much going on that is a constant challenge and one I've never gotten bored trying to master...take half of that challenge away (shifting, foot brake-with a LHB option, and clutch) and I think it can dumb down the riding experience to the point that it could get boring for a lot of people.  

7eleven wrote:
If you're riding w/ purpose, it's a transfer of focus. Trying to go fast in motocross requires 100% attention. Without a clutch, my focus becomes picking up...

If you're riding w/ purpose, it's a transfer of focus. Trying to go fast in motocross requires 100% attention. 
Without a clutch, my focus becomes picking up the throttle as smooth as I can to use all of the torque I have. I'm also on the rear hand brake since day 1. This is 100% a new challenge! Once your left hand builds/develops the feel for that rear brake, it becomes painfully obvious how much of an advantage the hand brake is. That being said, no brake pedal or shifter has me focused on my feet always being in the correct spot on the pegs, which leads to a better feel of the tires through my feet. 

I have 21 months on a Varg. My bike has 55hrs on it. IMG 1044 3.jpeg?VersionId=Z

True...all valid points.  I think I'd really like one, maybe one day...oh, and awesome pic!  

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Titan1 wrote:
I've seen a lot of my neighbors buy Surons and absolutely love them, and they ride the wheels off of them for the first few months...

I've seen a lot of my neighbors buy Surons and absolutely love them, and they ride the wheels off of them for the first few months and then the novelty wears off, they get bored with it and they just collect dust in the garage...I can't count how many Surons I've seen for sale "because we just don't ride them anymore", "Just collecting dust in the garage"...

I think that there is a possibility that electric is just so good and so easy to ride that it takes so much of the challenge out of it, that some people can get bored with it...One of the things I love about dirt bikes is that its hard...there is just a lot going on, and a lot to figure out and master...brake with your foot, shift with your other foot, clutch with one hand, throttle and gas on the other, moving feet back and forth on the pegs to shift and brake...so much going on that is a constant challenge and one I've never gotten bored trying to master...take half of that challenge away (shifting, foot brake-with a LHB option, and clutch) and I think it can dumb down the riding experience to the point that it could get boring for a lot of people.  

7eleven wrote:
If you're riding w/ purpose, it's a transfer of focus. Trying to go fast in motocross requires 100% attention. Without a clutch, my focus becomes picking up...

If you're riding w/ purpose, it's a transfer of focus. Trying to go fast in motocross requires 100% attention. 
Without a clutch, my focus becomes picking up the throttle as smooth as I can to use all of the torque I have. I'm also on the rear hand brake since day 1. This is 100% a new challenge! Once your left hand builds/develops the feel for that rear brake, it becomes painfully obvious how much of an advantage the hand brake is. That being said, no brake pedal or shifter has me focused on my feet always being in the correct spot on the pegs, which leads to a better feel of the tires through my feet. 

I have 21 months on a Varg. My bike has 55hrs on it. IMG 1044 3.jpeg?VersionId=Z

Titan1 wrote:

True...all valid points.  I think I'd really like one, maybe one day...oh, and awesome pic!  

To be fair, the biggest drawback is no clutch. If the start is ripped super deep, it's difficult to lay the power down smoothly. Also, if it's wet & rutty, the clutch is your manipulator of power in order to help the bike pivot.

Once you're back to the throttle on the Varg, you're committed to being super smooth. Not a bad thing once you figure out what it wants, but the aggressor in you wants to punch someone in the nuts. 

Thx for the props!

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JBecker 72 wrote:
Same. I’m really happy with mine so far. I suspect there are many who are nervous about trying one. A couple months ago there were three...

Same. I’m really happy with mine so far. I suspect there are many who are nervous about trying one. A couple months ago there were three others at the track with me one day but so far that’s been the only time that was the case. I get a lot of people coming up to me in the pits and asking questions about it. So there’s a lot of interest for sure. 

My two buddies who have ridden it were very impressed. 

250 or 450? Everyone I've talked to on a 250 is very happy. There seem to be some issues with the 450's

JBecker 72 wrote:

I got a 250. 

Yeah, I figured. I've heard first hand rave reviews about the 250. Good stuff

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Titan1 wrote:
I've seen a lot of my neighbors buy Surons and absolutely love them, and they ride the wheels off of them for the first few months...

I've seen a lot of my neighbors buy Surons and absolutely love them, and they ride the wheels off of them for the first few months and then the novelty wears off, they get bored with it and they just collect dust in the garage...I can't count how many Surons I've seen for sale "because we just don't ride them anymore", "Just collecting dust in the garage"...

I think that there is a possibility that electric is just so good and so easy to ride that it takes so much of the challenge out of it, that some people can get bored with it...One of the things I love about dirt bikes is that its hard...there is just a lot going on, and a lot to figure out and master...brake with your foot, shift with your other foot, clutch with one hand, throttle and gas on the other, moving feet back and forth on the pegs to shift and brake...so much going on that is a constant challenge and one I've never gotten bored trying to master...take half of that challenge away (shifting, foot brake-with a LHB option, and clutch) and I think it can dumb down the riding experience to the point that it could get boring for a lot of people.  

7eleven wrote:
If you're riding w/ purpose, it's a transfer of focus. Trying to go fast in motocross requires 100% attention. Without a clutch, my focus becomes picking up...

If you're riding w/ purpose, it's a transfer of focus. Trying to go fast in motocross requires 100% attention. 
Without a clutch, my focus becomes picking up the throttle as smooth as I can to use all of the torque I have. I'm also on the rear hand brake since day 1. This is 100% a new challenge! Once your left hand builds/develops the feel for that rear brake, it becomes painfully obvious how much of an advantage the hand brake is. That being said, no brake pedal or shifter has me focused on my feet always being in the correct spot on the pegs, which leads to a better feel of the tires through my feet. 

I have 21 months on a Varg. My bike has 55hrs on it. IMG 1044 3.jpeg?VersionId=Z

I would be all about the rear hand brake! As soon as I heard about that option, I thought it would be a major advantage. 

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I was at a local N. TX track Saturday and there were 2 there. Didn't think much of them until on my 3rd session I kind...

I was at a local N. TX track Saturday and there were 2 there. Didn't think much of them until on my 3rd session I kind of cross jumped a small table that sett you up for the inside in the next corner and a guy on a Stark scared the wholly Hell out of me by yelling at me and was about 2 feet behind me. Apparently I cut him off doing that and maybe it was a close call on his end? All I know is I never knew he was there, never knew he was coming. Even though he scared me shitless in the moment, I'm glad he let me know he was there. We could've likely collided.

Somehow I think he's used to doing what he did to me to a lot of riders on the track

What track 

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For the guys that have them, are they super flickable? I see all the badass free ride guys on them. Nick Tomasunas gets that thing completely...

For the guys that have them, are they super flickable? I see all the badass free ride guys on them. Nick Tomasunas gets that thing completely backwards. At the Big Hill Jam there was a bunch of guys on them. 

They had to ban them from X games because the riders can whip them in extreme ways they can't ICE bikes, so I'd say they are pretty "Flickable"

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For the guys that have them, are they super flickable? I see all the badass free ride guys on them. Nick Tomasunas gets that thing completely...

For the guys that have them, are they super flickable? I see all the badass free ride guys on them. Nick Tomasunas gets that thing completely backwards. At the Big Hill Jam there was a bunch of guys on them. 

chasetwo79 wrote:
They had to ban them from X games because the riders can whip them in extreme ways they can't ICE bikes, so I'd say they are...

They had to ban them from X games because the riders can whip them in extreme ways they can't ICE bikes, so I'd say they are pretty "Flickable"

Another reason for me to get one! Thats why I cant whip/scrub for shit. My ICE bike is holding me back! 😂 Jk jk

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Titan1 wrote:
I've seen a lot of my neighbors buy Surons and absolutely love them, and they ride the wheels off of them for the first few months...

I've seen a lot of my neighbors buy Surons and absolutely love them, and they ride the wheels off of them for the first few months and then the novelty wears off, they get bored with it and they just collect dust in the garage...I can't count how many Surons I've seen for sale "because we just don't ride them anymore", "Just collecting dust in the garage"...

I think that there is a possibility that electric is just so good and so easy to ride that it takes so much of the challenge out of it, that some people can get bored with it...One of the things I love about dirt bikes is that its hard...there is just a lot going on, and a lot to figure out and master...brake with your foot, shift with your other foot, clutch with one hand, throttle and gas on the other, moving feet back and forth on the pegs to shift and brake...so much going on that is a constant challenge and one I've never gotten bored trying to master...take half of that challenge away (shifting, foot brake-with a LHB option, and clutch) and I think it can dumb down the riding experience to the point that it could get boring for a lot of people.  

7eleven wrote:
If you're riding w/ purpose, it's a transfer of focus. Trying to go fast in motocross requires 100% attention. Without a clutch, my focus becomes picking up...

If you're riding w/ purpose, it's a transfer of focus. Trying to go fast in motocross requires 100% attention. 
Without a clutch, my focus becomes picking up the throttle as smooth as I can to use all of the torque I have. I'm also on the rear hand brake since day 1. This is 100% a new challenge! Once your left hand builds/develops the feel for that rear brake, it becomes painfully obvious how much of an advantage the hand brake is. That being said, no brake pedal or shifter has me focused on my feet always being in the correct spot on the pegs, which leads to a better feel of the tires through my feet. 

I have 21 months on a Varg. My bike has 55hrs on it. IMG 1044 3.jpeg?VersionId=Z

For me, my short amount of time  riding one. I have always had to compromise on foot position because of my giant feet and needing to be able to shift and brake. And I loved how I was finally able to ride with my feet where I wanted them to be VS where they had to be.  I instantly felt more confident in corners than I ever have.

 

I had a foot brake on the Varg I rode. I would get the hand rear brake if and when I get one. But I felt like even in that very short amount of time I rode one, I was able to focus more on my body positioning and technique in corners. And it felt like it allowed me to ride the way I always felt like I wanted. 

 

Maybe electric MX bikes will just be another option , but I think that if  solid-state batteries become a thing , and they can make a universal pack that is quick change. Then a company like VP could offer a lease program for batteries so You never have to worry about one failing. You send them back if they drop below a certain %. and always have 2 or 3 of them so You can swap as needed. Then as far as moto goes the range wouldn't be an issue. 

 

I would even like to try a hybrid MX bike. ICE to make the power to run an electric motor instead of a transmission. Then You get the best of both.

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Titan1 wrote:
I've seen a lot of my neighbors buy Surons and absolutely love them, and they ride the wheels off of them for the first few months...

I've seen a lot of my neighbors buy Surons and absolutely love them, and they ride the wheels off of them for the first few months and then the novelty wears off, they get bored with it and they just collect dust in the garage...I can't count how many Surons I've seen for sale "because we just don't ride them anymore", "Just collecting dust in the garage"...

I think that there is a possibility that electric is just so good and so easy to ride that it takes so much of the challenge out of it, that some people can get bored with it...One of the things I love about dirt bikes is that its hard...there is just a lot going on, and a lot to figure out and master...brake with your foot, shift with your other foot, clutch with one hand, throttle and gas on the other, moving feet back and forth on the pegs to shift and brake...so much going on that is a constant challenge and one I've never gotten bored trying to master...take half of that challenge away (shifting, foot brake-with a LHB option, and clutch) and I think it can dumb down the riding experience to the point that it could get boring for a lot of people.  

7eleven wrote:
If you're riding w/ purpose, it's a transfer of focus. Trying to go fast in motocross requires 100% attention. Without a clutch, my focus becomes picking up...

If you're riding w/ purpose, it's a transfer of focus. Trying to go fast in motocross requires 100% attention. 
Without a clutch, my focus becomes picking up the throttle as smooth as I can to use all of the torque I have. I'm also on the rear hand brake since day 1. This is 100% a new challenge! Once your left hand builds/develops the feel for that rear brake, it becomes painfully obvious how much of an advantage the hand brake is. That being said, no brake pedal or shifter has me focused on my feet always being in the correct spot on the pegs, which leads to a better feel of the tires through my feet. 

I have 21 months on a Varg. My bike has 55hrs on it. IMG 1044 3.jpeg?VersionId=Z

For me, my short amount of time  riding one. I have always had to compromise on foot position because of my giant feet and needing to...

For me, my short amount of time  riding one. I have always had to compromise on foot position because of my giant feet and needing to be able to shift and brake. And I loved how I was finally able to ride with my feet where I wanted them to be VS where they had to be.  I instantly felt more confident in corners than I ever have.

 

I had a foot brake on the Varg I rode. I would get the hand rear brake if and when I get one. But I felt like even in that very short amount of time I rode one, I was able to focus more on my body positioning and technique in corners. And it felt like it allowed me to ride the way I always felt like I wanted. 

 

Maybe electric MX bikes will just be another option , but I think that if  solid-state batteries become a thing , and they can make a universal pack that is quick change. Then a company like VP could offer a lease program for batteries so You never have to worry about one failing. You send them back if they drop below a certain %. and always have 2 or 3 of them so You can swap as needed. Then as far as moto goes the range wouldn't be an issue. 

 

I would even like to try a hybrid MX bike. ICE to make the power to run an electric motor instead of a transmission. Then You get the best of both.

Odd that I have to "quote" in order to post - Please disregard all of the quoted comments. That said, what kind of deals are folks getting for the EX? Anyone know of deals in Houston?  

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7/16/2025 12:56pm Edited Date/Time 7/16/2025 12:57pm

If Stark gets $9K in revenue for each bike, it looks like they may have sold over 5K bikes last quarter. 1500-1700 bikes a month?  That sounds like a pretty healthy number for such a new/niche company like this!  

Not to mention it’s pretty quick to be profitable. 

https://racerxonline.com/2025/07/15/stark-future-announces-double-revenue-from-previous-year

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I wonder what the Japanese, AMA, FIM and other M/C folks think of that? 

Might get their attention or it might be a nothing burger.

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God I wish the rear break on the bars was practical on my ice bike.

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I pulled one for 50 ft on a uphill start . I started in 1st gear got a good jump.  I had too rich of a needle in .  Pic today sx sand track with a leaner needle , oh wayy snappier . Installed oem 4.7 spring was 5.0 then aprox 5-6 suspension adjustments .  Getting dialed & clipping whoops tops in 4th.  Deep sand corners with 2 lines with rollers , fun experimenting & getting hot lines . The most fun was good roll speed into the whoops on a down side with a quick brake stab to get the angle good . Seat bounce then wo with a clutch snap.  Pitch the bike left & cut exit curve out . To land on straight in deep sand jumping ovr whoops. I tried 12 ways threw that corner that jump out was a Real good one . Hard to do every lap tho.

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The track I grew up racing as a kid was shut down due to noise around 15 years ago and the land has just sat there ever since. There are now plans in the local council to open it up for electric bikes only. If that happens I can see a surge of sales in my area. 

That track used to hold night time practice meets during the week and then race meets saturday night

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The fad has well and truly worn off for me now. 35hrs on mine and I have no interest in riding it anymore. Thought I'd keep it as a fun play bike but I'd rather another 350. Anyone in Western Australia after a well looked after 2nd hand one let me know. 

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Fwiw, I doubt the stark will die off, but man, the other bikes like eride pro, talaria, surron are getting better and better.

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7/27/2025 11:29am Edited Date/Time 7/27/2025 11:30am
burn1986 wrote:

Fwiw, I doubt the stark will die off, but man, the other bikes like eride pro, talaria, surron are getting better and better.

But none of those have production full size/full power MX and Enduro bikes. Ditto CF moto and others who have been showing, but not releasing, MX bikes for more than a year.

Stark have 2 years of production, plus 2 years of MX and Enduro feedback and data at the highest level and are clearly not standing idle.

The only near-term electric competitor that is credible is Honda. Possibly Yamaha if they have something up their sleeve. Neither are releasing '26 models, so make that 3 years lead for Stark. I don't sense they will waste it.

Stark have done an incredible job as a new company to develop and bring into volume production a high quality product with new/disruptive technology that is competitive at high level. And now profitable apparently.

 That is absolutely to be applauded, even if you don't like polo neck sweaters.

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I pulled one for 50 ft on a uphill start . I started in 1st gear got a good jump.  I had too rich of a...

I pulled one for 50 ft on a uphill start . I started in 1st gear got a good jump.  I had too rich of a needle in .  Pic today sx sand track with a leaner needle , oh wayy snappier . Installed oem 4.7 spring was 5.0 then aprox 5-6 suspension adjustments .  Getting dialed & clipping whoops tops in 4th.  Deep sand corners with 2 lines with rollers , fun experimenting & getting hot lines . The most fun was good roll speed into the whoops on a down side with a quick brake stab to get the angle good . Seat bounce then wo with a clutch snap.  Pitch the bike left & cut exit curve out . To land on straight in deep sand jumping ovr whoops. I tried 12 ways threw that corner that jump out was a Real good one . Hard to do every lap tho.

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7/27/2025 3:12pm
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To be fair, the biggest drawback is no clutch. If the start is ripped super deep, it's difficult to lay the power down smoothly. Also, if...

To be fair, the biggest drawback is no clutch. If the start is ripped super deep, it's difficult to lay the power down smoothly. Also, if it's wet & rutty, the clutch is your manipulator of power in order to help the bike pivot.

Once you're back to the throttle on the Varg, you're committed to being super smooth. Not a bad thing once you figure out what it wants, but the aggressor in you wants to punch someone in the nuts. 

Thx for the props!

This is literally the only thing holding me back..I do mostly technical offroad and hard enduro, and I'm too set in my ways to give up clutch modulation.  I'd love to see them add one - even if it was software driven vs a mechanical clutch....

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