The Prado Mystery

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7/20/2025 2:29pm Edited Date/Time 7/20/2025 2:30pm
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It’s an entirely different world…1 day programTracks that are quite differentEarly race intensity straight outta SXAnd it’s not working for him when he’s so focused on...

It’s an entirely different world…

1 day program

Tracks that are quite different

Early race intensity straight outta SX

And it’s not working for him when he’s so focused on everything BUT adapting to The Program.

I’m a fan of the kid; but, he needs to get on-board or go back home. 

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How are the other euros beating him on stock bikes they're running the same one day program that they're not used to?

Some people just go out there and do it.

Some get stuck in their head. 

Kullas: Just do it.

George: I can’t get out of my head. 

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I think your rt on that .  If the bike is that bad just do a 4 lap spirit then lap 5 start hitting the kill...

I think your rt on that .  If the bike is that bad just do a 4 lap spirit then lap 5 start hitting the kill switch & pull off.  It makes both parties look better.  America is a tough country the truckers run 23-60 hrs straight ovr 120 countries of men here  . And there blown away how hard we push here. Worlds strongest hhg rig with ever world record. We worked in hurricanes in Florida. We hv tough people here 

It’s why the Untied States is still the mother F-ing best.  

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crusty_xx wrote:
How in the world did we go from this  to this? 

How in the world did we go from this

 

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to this?

 

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aeffertz wrote:
I can’t believe I forgot Prado got 2nd in a heat race this year, at A1 none the less. That is wild! Man, how the wheels...

I can’t believe I forgot Prado got 2nd in a heat race this year, at A1 none the less. That is wild! Man, how the wheels have fallen off. 

Unless! Think about this. Perhaps Prado is a SX specialist. You heard it here first folks! Grinning

Vialle 2.0 maybe 😂

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crusty_xx wrote:
How in the world did we go from this  to this? 

How in the world did we go from this

 

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to this?

 

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aeffertz wrote:
I can’t believe I forgot Prado got 2nd in a heat race this year, at A1 none the less. That is wild! Man, how the wheels...

I can’t believe I forgot Prado got 2nd in a heat race this year, at A1 none the less. That is wild! Man, how the wheels have fallen off. 

Unless! Think about this. Perhaps Prado is a SX specialist. You heard it here first folks! Grinning

Not only 2nd, he won the heat race in san fran. Oddly enough in very muddy conditions, which tends to be his weakness

EDIT: ah sorry last year that was when he still was on GASGAS. Man, time flies by

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His bike (suspension) looked like shit compared to Sexton or Jett. 

There was a section of the track the camera stayed on during RDL, I think it was the sweeper after Horsepower Hill and before the drop off, where you could really see their bikes working. Jett looked great. Sexton looked soft during practice, but great during race. Prado looked like real shit during practice and race. 

I think they have tuned him into something that is not rideable at the pace he can muster. 

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Roczen never complained about the outdated Suzuki. That thing is so old it qualifies for collector plates. The difference is he believes in his ability. He knew they’d get the bike dialed in eventually.  
I honestly think Prado needs a mind reset.  He needs the hunger in him. Drooling on the starting line like a hungry old hound standing over a tri-tip steak. You have to want it. 

I want to see him do well. 

Its easy to get knocked off your chair, sometimes its hard to get back on the thing.  
We’ve all been there in some discipline or another. 

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What a miss both ways. Sounds like one of those men/women marriage jokes. 
Kawi hiring Jorge thinking he’d never change and still be consistently at the front. But he changed. 
Jorge going Kawi thinking they would change, but they don’t. 

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It may have been mentioned earlier in this thread but I think his crash and injury in SX has messed with his mind to the point...

It may have been mentioned earlier in this thread but I think his crash and injury in SX has messed with his mind to the point he is afraid to push the edge on a bike he is not comfortable on. Simple as that.  I think Kawasaki’s resistance to try certain things he wants is a factor also.  He can’t get the chassis and/or suspension working to suit him and will not push the limit.  I can’t believe he can’t get enough power out of the bike but what do I know.  His results have certainly been a disappointment.  I don’t think anyone involved can stand 2 more years of results like this. 

PS. I think Chase is making a huge mistake if he truly does move to the green bike.  If he does, he’ll post better results than Jorge but he won’t beat Jett on it.  

JA had some winning rides on the Kawi when he was healthier and faster. RV and ET have proven green bikes can win. Put Sexton on that bike and I'd bet he's top 5, probably top 3. I think Prado has figured out he can't hang with the fast guys here, so he's mailing it in. 

Even though I'm a Kawi guy I'll admit, all the factory 450's are awesome bikes. Yes, even KR's kickstart Suzuki. Any rider of Prado's skill level should be in the top 8 or higher on a factory machine every week. F*ck the excuses, he's getting beat by privateers!! 

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Nothing to do with US motocross when the other mxgp riders have the same or better results in the US, like Guillod and Paturel. And a...

Nothing to do with US motocross when the other mxgp riders have the same or better results in the US, like Guillod and Paturel. And a 39 yo Cairoli gets top 10 with almost a stock bike.

It`s probably a combination of Prado and the bike. But from an interview with John Tomac it doesn`t sound like the Kawi team is the easiest to work with if you want changes. I guess it makes Prado frustrated and why he says "It`s not on him".

Racer X Online: Five championships with Kawasaki. A real good legacy there. You could have stayed there. You didn’t jump to Star Yamaha for the money. You went there for a chance at an equipment change that would propel Eli. I was not in the camp of this is going to make Eli a better rider, because he’s getting older, and this kind of stuff doesn’t happen in our sport. So, I commend you and Eli, Kathy, everybody for this… We’re only halfway through this thing, but man, you guys were looking for something different and you did it. It’s a bit of a risk, and it’s really working out. Take us through that a little bit and how stoked you’ve got to be so far how this thing is working.
John Tomac: Yeah, it was a gamble. We could have stayed at Kawi and Eli could have cashed his check and rode it out. We wanted to advance the ball. Eli felt like he had more in the tank, as far as results go. In order to change it up on the equipment side, we had to make the move. We pushed the Kawi guys pretty hard that last season to take some pretty big swings at changing some of the stuff we had on the bike, and they just wouldn’t go to where we wanted to go and try things. We had a certain amount of success there, but we wanted to try to really push the envelope, and they were just too conservative. That’s how I’m going to say it. They were too conservative. I’ll leave it at that.

The difference with Tomac is he still won a boatload on the factory kawi. He made it work to where even if he wasn't 100% comfortable HE was still competitive. Which means the bike is still very competitive. Im pretty sure no bike is perfect. 

We all say MX is different because such as large percentage of the performance is on the rider compared to other motosports. Pretty sure that hasn't changed just because it's Prado. 

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You make a great point regarding this being a PR nightmare for Kawi.  They hired Prado to win races and elevate the brand to sell more...

You make a great point regarding this being a PR nightmare for Kawi.  They hired Prado to win races and elevate the brand to sell more KX’s.  Prado slamming the bike each week can’t be good for business.   The situation is also not a great thing for the “Prado” brand.  The best thing for both parties is to get things back on track and start winning races together.

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Prado can be unhappy with the bike and not winning. We’d all maintain full respect for the guy if that was the case while still going...

Prado can be unhappy with the bike and not winning. We’d all maintain full respect for the guy if that was the case while still going out there and giving it his all. He simply isn’t though. He’s being a complete baby in a mans sport. His true colors are being put out there for all to see. Kawi isn’t responsible for him ruining his own image, that one is on him. Maybe US just has that bulldog mentality that we all expect to see. I feel bad for kawi in this situation. Sucks to see

Kawi might as well have over promised and under delivered substantially when they signed. That's why he is pissed. He wouldn't even have signed with them if he knew they couldn't deliver. Point is we don't know do we? 

Prado is not a good passer, he knows that to be able to win he need that power to start consistent 1-2, and the power (different power) on track so he can ride the way he rides a 450. 

That power is something Herlings wants nothing to do with and that MXGP factory Kawi riders now say he ain't going to get near the power he had in his KTM on current Kawi platform. 

If I where promised something and didn't get it, I would be fucking pissed at that level.

Again, we don't know what Kawi promised.

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nothing is wrong with the bike. jorge is just riding around. i would terminate his contract early if i was Kawasaki if possible. dude is doing some js7 2012 yamaha type reputation damage to that bike lol  

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Hate to jump in ... but oh well. 

1. Riders have in the past complained about Team Kawasaki not being flexible enough - to make the bike changes a rider wants (think Eli leaving Kaw). Reed had challenges and left the team before contract expired.  I don't think Villo was super happy either the whole time. 

2. This latest vid by Prado... He's clearly saying it's not me. I m good... I m solid. He's biting his tongue on blaming the bike in latest video. I suspect he's probably had a talking to.... Before he was talking about the bike needing changes.... More power etc Now he's squarely and out front saying it's not me. Not blaming the bike... but it sure isn't me. I m good. I m fit. That's what I got out of that interview. I also sense he's a little pissed off. 

3. I don't see this lasting for 2026 and 2027. This gets fixed this year... Or I suspect they split up. That's my opinion. 

 

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Hiroshi Ito: This is how fucked off I am about Jorge Prado...and it's growing every day.

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Has ANYONE in here been to a “test day” at Kawi where they’ve got all the suspension goods, the suspension techs, test riders from the U.S. & Japan, BOTH Team riders…and they’re making whatever changes that’re necessary for the rider including some REALLY cool chassis parts…? 
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It’s why the Untied States is still the mother F-ing best.  

Yet, we’ve been getting worked at des Nations for years, for the most part. 

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Before the start of the season, Prado said in a couple interviews that he had been eyeing the Kawasaki all along and it was the bike he wanted to ride. He also said if he if he didn’t sign with Kawasaki he would have stayed in MXGP. The Kawi was it for him.  Well wtf happened!! No doubt he rode the bike before he signed. Now that he’s here it’s shit? I really wanted to see him do well, but damn, this is as bad as it gets. I can’t remember any other time a World champ has come over and done this terrible. Not a good look. To me it was very telling in the Lewis interview when he said “I don’t know what the future holds”. At this point I can’t see any other team wanting to hire him. 

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I think if Prado can't get comfortable with the bike he'll definitely go back to MXGP. He'll know that if he can't get it sorted for motocross he'll be absolutely fucked in SX. While Kawi presumably hope he'll learn SX eventually a big part of this whole thing would have been their hope he can compete for championships in motocross. The equation for teams is always massively in favour of SX, so the only thing that would tilt their hand in signing someone more on outdoors performance would be the potential to win championships. The fact Chase is coming to Kawi has also altered the whole dynamic. Prado will without a doubt be the second rider on the team now. And with Chase there Kawi will be far less likely to put up with Prado shitting all over the brand on a weekly basis and going for leisurely trail rides on race days. Especially when he's getting a rumoured 3 million a year. 

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I think your rt on that .  If the bike is that bad just do a 4 lap spirit then lap 5 start hitting the kill...

I think your rt on that .  If the bike is that bad just do a 4 lap spirit then lap 5 start hitting the kill switch & pull off.  It makes both parties look better.  America is a tough country the truckers run 23-60 hrs straight ovr 120 countries of men here  . And there blown away how hard we push here. Worlds strongest hhg rig with ever world record. We worked in hurricanes in Florida. We hv tough people here 

It’s why the Untied States is still the mother F-ing best.  

The best motocross/supercross rider in the world is an Australian. 

And in terms of the most popular sport in the world by far - football (soccer as you call it) - you're ranked 15th. 

Any Americans in F1? Ah...no. 

Howabout MotoGP? Ah......no. 

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I think your rt on that .  If the bike is that bad just do a 4 lap spirit then lap 5 start hitting the kill...

I think your rt on that .  If the bike is that bad just do a 4 lap spirit then lap 5 start hitting the kill switch & pull off.  It makes both parties look better.  America is a tough country the truckers run 23-60 hrs straight ovr 120 countries of men here  . And there blown away how hard we push here. Worlds strongest hhg rig with ever world record. We worked in hurricanes in Florida. We hv tough people here 

It’s why the Untied States is still the mother F-ing best.  

Herr Lich wrote:
The best motocross/supercross rider in the world is an Australian. And in terms of the most popular sport in the world by far - football (soccer as...

The best motocross/supercross rider in the world is an Australian. 

And in terms of the most popular sport in the world by far - football (soccer as you call it) - you're ranked 15th. 

Any Americans in F1? Ah...no. 

Howabout MotoGP? Ah......no. 

If you read the post I was responding to you’ll see I wasn’t talking about MX proper.  

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Rejser wrote:

Someone said in the race thread that he was calling up MXGP teams. Is that true? Did they talk about it on the broadcast?

JT said on one of the pods he's on about Jorge's manager putting out feelers to MXGP teams. Be a pretty rough look to go back...

JT said on one of the pods he's on about Jorge's manager putting out feelers to MXGP teams. Be a pretty rough look to go back to Europe with his tail between his legs. But I guess it cant get much worse than the whupping he's getting every weekend. Has a former MXGP heavy hitter ever come over here and struggled like this? I cant think of one

Maybe the closest thing was when RV tried the MXGP, and looped out like a C rider?

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His bike (suspension) looked like shit compared to Sexton or Jett. There was a section of the track the camera stayed on during RDL, I think it...

His bike (suspension) looked like shit compared to Sexton or Jett. 

There was a section of the track the camera stayed on during RDL, I think it was the sweeper after Horsepower Hill and before the drop off, where you could really see their bikes working. Jett looked great. Sexton looked soft during practice, but great during race. Prado looked like real shit during practice and race. 

I think they have tuned him into something that is not rideable at the pace he can muster. 

Well they say he puts in 60% effort at the test track so how are they supposed to set the bike up for him when he decides he wants to push it. It’s set up for his Sunday cruise at the test track. 

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TeamGreen wrote:
Has ANYONE in here been to a “test day” at Kawi where they’ve got all the suspension goods, the suspension techs, test riders from the U.S...

Has ANYONE in here been to a “test day” at Kawi where they’ve got all the suspension goods, the suspension techs, test riders from the U.S. & Japan, BOTH Team riders…and they’re making whatever changes that’re necessary for the rider including some REALLY cool chassis parts…? 
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I always appreciate your input  but man if they're testing at  perris that could be a problem just saying! It's nowhere near National track and their prep has been s*** lately!

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He is a world champion that cannot even make top five, sorry it's not the bike..

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7/20/2025 4:48pm Edited Date/Time 7/20/2025 4:51pm

Man if he barely finishes the season and goes straight back to the gp’s, could this be considered the biggest bunt in motocross history?


His gypsy interview didn’t exactly aged like fine wine.

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I think your rt on that .  If the bike is that bad just do a 4 lap spirit then lap 5 start hitting the kill...

I think your rt on that .  If the bike is that bad just do a 4 lap spirit then lap 5 start hitting the kill switch & pull off.  It makes both parties look better.  America is a tough country the truckers run 23-60 hrs straight ovr 120 countries of men here  . And there blown away how hard we push here. Worlds strongest hhg rig with ever world record. We worked in hurricanes in Florida. We hv tough people here 

It’s why the Untied States is still the mother F-ing best.  

Herr Lich wrote:
The best motocross/supercross rider in the world is an Australian. And in terms of the most popular sport in the world by far - football (soccer as...

The best motocross/supercross rider in the world is an Australian. 

And in terms of the most popular sport in the world by far - football (soccer as you call it) - you're ranked 15th. 

Any Americans in F1? Ah...no. 

Howabout MotoGP? Ah......no. 

US owns all other countries when it comes to athletics. Olympics, all stick and ball sports, most MXdN wins. We have the best athletes by a mile. If we actually cared about soccer we would be the best at it. You can type a whitty response but you know its a fact deep down

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280driver wrote:
You make a great point regarding this being a PR nightmare for Kawi.  They hired Prado to win races and elevate the brand to sell more...

You make a great point regarding this being a PR nightmare for Kawi.  They hired Prado to win races and elevate the brand to sell more KX’s.  Prado slamming the bike each week can’t be good for business.   The situation is also not a great thing for the “Prado” brand.  The best thing for both parties is to get things back on track and start winning races together.

deadlo wrote:
Prado can be unhappy with the bike and not winning. We’d all maintain full respect for the guy if that was the case while still going...

Prado can be unhappy with the bike and not winning. We’d all maintain full respect for the guy if that was the case while still going out there and giving it his all. He simply isn’t though. He’s being a complete baby in a mans sport. His true colors are being put out there for all to see. Kawi isn’t responsible for him ruining his own image, that one is on him. Maybe US just has that bulldog mentality that we all expect to see. I feel bad for kawi in this situation. Sucks to see

aees wrote:
Kawi might as well have over promised and under delivered substantially when they signed. That's why he is pissed. He wouldn't even have signed with them...

Kawi might as well have over promised and under delivered substantially when they signed. That's why he is pissed. He wouldn't even have signed with them if he knew they couldn't deliver. Point is we don't know do we? 

Prado is not a good passer, he knows that to be able to win he need that power to start consistent 1-2, and the power (different power) on track so he can ride the way he rides a 450. 

That power is something Herlings wants nothing to do with and that MXGP factory Kawi riders now say he ain't going to get near the power he had in his KTM on current Kawi platform. 

If I where promised something and didn't get it, I would be fucking pissed at that level.

Again, we don't know what Kawi promised.

I don’t get this argument. He IS getting good starts. And then you’re telling me the power isn’t there after the start….ok well even if it isn’t I’d have to imagine he has more power than the privateer kawi that beat him… this is a champion. There’s no excuse for what we’re seeing. 

I feel for the guy, but him trashing kawi and taking zero accountability is just inexcusable. I totally get he’s frustrated, but that’s not how a professional and champion should act and ride. Go home Prado. Let someone who deserves that ride take it.  

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Chase said in the Vital interview he doesn't know how Prado holds on to that Kawi for 35 mins. So it must be pretty terrible if another rider can tell its ass by watching him ride it. 

 

Which begs the question, why would Chase sign with Kawi after saying something like that? 😂

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His bike (suspension) looked like shit compared to Sexton or Jett. There was a section of the track the camera stayed on during RDL, I think it...

His bike (suspension) looked like shit compared to Sexton or Jett. 

There was a section of the track the camera stayed on during RDL, I think it was the sweeper after Horsepower Hill and before the drop off, where you could really see their bikes working. Jett looked great. Sexton looked soft during practice, but great during race. Prado looked like real shit during practice and race. 

I think they have tuned him into something that is not rideable at the pace he can muster. 

ohh_454 wrote:
Well they say he puts in 60% effort at the test track so how are they supposed to set the bike up for him when he...

Well they say he puts in 60% effort at the test track so how are they supposed to set the bike up for him when he decides he wants to push it. It’s set up for his Sunday cruise at the test track. 

It did work in mxgp. And Webb was known for this before Aldon and went ok for him.

But it probably doesn't help, because if you know how you want to setup the bike assuming power is there also it will probably translate poorly when it's not. I mean Tomac was like 7 positions off when he misjudged his setting and it didn't translate to race track.

Not riding at full speed and bike/engine setup in parallel motion. Fucking Impossible it seems like.

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It’s why the Untied States is still the mother F-ing best.  

Herr Lich wrote:
The best motocross/supercross rider in the world is an Australian. And in terms of the most popular sport in the world by far - football (soccer as...

The best motocross/supercross rider in the world is an Australian. 

And in terms of the most popular sport in the world by far - football (soccer as you call it) - you're ranked 15th. 

Any Americans in F1? Ah...no. 

Howabout MotoGP? Ah......no. 

US owns all other countries when it comes to athletics. Olympics, all stick and ball sports, most MXdN wins. We have the best athletes by a...

US owns all other countries when it comes to athletics. Olympics, all stick and ball sports, most MXdN wins. We have the best athletes by a mile. If we actually cared about soccer we would be the best at it. You can type a whitty response but you know its a fact deep down

The US had been the best in the world at soccer for most of the last few decades.  Its just the women's team.  And for that matter USA women's teams are pretty dominant at most sports.  

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deadlo wrote:
Prado can be unhappy with the bike and not winning. We’d all maintain full respect for the guy if that was the case while still going...

Prado can be unhappy with the bike and not winning. We’d all maintain full respect for the guy if that was the case while still going out there and giving it his all. He simply isn’t though. He’s being a complete baby in a mans sport. His true colors are being put out there for all to see. Kawi isn’t responsible for him ruining his own image, that one is on him. Maybe US just has that bulldog mentality that we all expect to see. I feel bad for kawi in this situation. Sucks to see

aees wrote:
Kawi might as well have over promised and under delivered substantially when they signed. That's why he is pissed. He wouldn't even have signed with them...

Kawi might as well have over promised and under delivered substantially when they signed. That's why he is pissed. He wouldn't even have signed with them if he knew they couldn't deliver. Point is we don't know do we? 

Prado is not a good passer, he knows that to be able to win he need that power to start consistent 1-2, and the power (different power) on track so he can ride the way he rides a 450. 

That power is something Herlings wants nothing to do with and that MXGP factory Kawi riders now say he ain't going to get near the power he had in his KTM on current Kawi platform. 

If I where promised something and didn't get it, I would be fucking pissed at that level.

Again, we don't know what Kawi promised.

deadlo wrote:
I don’t get this argument. He IS getting good starts. And then you’re telling me the power isn’t there after the start….ok well even if it...

I don’t get this argument. He IS getting good starts. And then you’re telling me the power isn’t there after the start….ok well even if it isn’t I’d have to imagine he has more power than the privateer kawi that beat him… this is a champion. There’s no excuse for what we’re seeing. 

I feel for the guy, but him trashing kawi and taking zero accountability is just inexcusable. I totally get he’s frustrated, but that’s not how a professional and champion should act and ride. Go home Prado. Let someone who deserves that ride take it.  

I didn't say he is not getting good starts? Not as good as in MXGP but still ok.

I said he need massive power for both, and I've seen like 5 or 10 post where people don't know the difference between power for a start vs riding power. Villo holeshot on a 250 against 450. But you ain't riding that 250 as a 450 on the track.

You are just seeing one side of it because its only one side that speaks. 

If it turns out that Kawi has overpromised, underdelivered and refuse to fix it, even though they technically could try (but won't, because they are Kawi). Its a completely different story is it. 

Its Kawi that fucked Prado when they sold something they cannot deliver.

Prado knows (good or bad, doesn't matter) that he needs to start up front and he needs an ultra powerful bike to win. If he doesn't have that, no need to race.

He is not in US to settle for podiums. Then he could have just stayed in MXGP and made another 1-2 million euro in championship bonuses.

Based on how much Prado is biting his tongue on what's really going on, and history of Kawi it's likely this isn't on Prado. Maybe also SX is good, wouldn't be first time a bike works in one but is shit in the other.

But we don't know. 

Im just fucking glad I'm not getting the Tomac PR for last week every week "we didn't do good, need to get better". I'll take Prado talking about as much as he can, 10 years fwd before reading another fucking US team release that says shit.

 

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