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The fucked up part is RC probably could have kept on winning 10+ nationals a year until like 2012 lol
You’ve got a downvote from someone, but you aren’t wrong
Reeds last win was in 2011, no reason to think RC couldn’t have won in 12
I think you missed my point. I could have kept going. I was saying RC had serious competition in his day just like Jett.
He gets an A in Advanced Bench Racing
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It was more like the last stretch of 03 to the 06 opener. Plus RC has another big run from last stretch of 2001 until Windhams Washougal and Undilla run in 2003.
I was a huge Windham fan back in the day. But let’s face it, the only reason RC dropped two nationals From 02 until 06 was because Windham was on a 450 and RC was not. 2004 proved that quite easily. RC should have had four perfect overall seasons in a row.
I honestly don’t think Jett will be racing bikes in a few years.
Yeah that would have been insane. If RC made the jump to the four stroke when Kevin did. But when Kevin returned on it in 03 MX no top rider was even riding it yet. Actually I guess Ferry was. But Yamaha was way ahead of the game on the 4 stroke. The Honda was new that year and I’m guessing RC wanted what was true and tested.
Did we though?
Yamaha was certainly not ahead of the 450 game in 2003 lol. That HRC CRF was light years better.
Very cool! 👍🏻 Love this stuff! Super fun to bench race about and always brings out so many different opinions.
You beat me to the punch. As much as the haters here don’t want to hear it, it’s true. Only 1 more year and we’ll see.
This won't be a very popular take. RC-James- Chad is all all time pairing. KW was so skilled he managed to win a 250 race while smoking the 125 west.
He was also going to race it in 04 sx, but blew out the knee.
So you're honestly thinking that Jett retires after SMX 2027?
Big bold statement here, that I have never heard before, but thinking about it a bit, that is pretty right.
The short answer ; doubtful. But it would be great to see as I still have a bone to pick with RC over cherry picking the last rounds to break Barnetts 125 record. Selfish fucker, but thats an appropriate segue as to why Jett will have a mountain to climb to get near the GOAT's totals.
RC had a level of pure desire that is likely going to go unmatched , he's stated he didn't even like the racing or even the winning much after a point, but the desire not to loose was stronger. A rare trait.
There's no denying that RC was no where near the artist on the bike that Jett is, watching RC race was a teeth clenching affair, watching Jett's perfection on the bike is, by comparison .. kinda relaxing.
Jett has the talent, the racecraft, the fitness .. all the pieces of the puzzle to make a legit run, but he'll need to match what was RC's level of desire, & do it for a decade or so, to stand a chance at surpassing RC's benchmark. It's a tough ask.
Good comment!💯👍🏻
I’m actually surprised that people were surprised that Jett dominated round 1.
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First reply nailed it. If Jett stays healthy, he’ll do it. But Carmichael had an amazing long history of mostly being injury free and not missing time.
I think he gets bored at some stage and tries something new.. probably when he gets to 27/28 years old..
The huge caveat is that Carmichael's win rate was over a 10 year span. Jett will NOT keep his current win rate over a 10 year (season) period.
I know that you alluded to this detail but seem to give him a chance at maintaining it. I don't believe he can do that for a second.
What Carmichael done over 10 seasons was beyond incredible.
Were all of those in the 450 class? Or are some of those from the 250 class years before it became the 450 class? Even when K-Dub was on the Honda 450, some of those years were still the AMA 250 class.
Not with the starts Deegan gets. You think his speed will be so overwhelming he's going to run down Jett from 10sec back? Haidens's starts are just ok and hes on the fastest bike on the gate. Are they going to improve when he moves up to a 450 and all the bikes on the gate are fast? It will be interesting
I haven’t read anything in this thread, so sorry if this is a repeat:
This stat on the broadcast that showed Tomac second all time with 69 moto wins, to Carmichael’s 141, was bonkers. Carmichael had been retired for 5 years by Eli’s age 😳
Deegan and Davies are going to spoil the Jett record projection party once they move up. Injuries will also play a factor (they already have with Jett not being able to finish the last 2 series without injury).
That should put into perspective, just how unreal that Ricky Carmichael was. Someone talked about his style, implying as if it may lack the technique to be the best or the fastest against a Jett Lawrence. Kevin Windham and a few others had that super smooth style and technique and was among the best but wasn't anywhere near Carmichael on speed or any other detail.
Haiden’s speed in the last 10min in outdoor mx is overwhelming enough to win against anyone. I’d say if he’s within 10-15 seconds of the leader with 10min to go, he can win. He hasn’t even needed to use it this year because he’s been out front comfortably by the halfway mark. I’ve been following the sport since the mid 90’s and I’ve never seen a rider with finishing speed like Haiden.
Jett may catch rc's win total if he stays mostly healthy. But he will never match his undefeated 10 for 10, outdoor championship record!
RC retired so young. If he had kept going to even 30/31 years old. It's crazy to think how many he might have had.
Do we need to also adjust for SX as there was 1 less round then?
Since he didn't win the championship last year you are correct...and RC was leading the outdoor points when he retired in 2007 after winning the first 5 races of 2007 all ahead of Stewart who went out with an injury at about the same time that RC retired halfway through the series.
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