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Easy to say after the fact. Head/neck issues shouldn't be assumed to be minor if the rider is laying on the ground motionless like Cam looked to be
Weege clarified that it should not have been put on TV last week and that it was an error (hard to believe with this broadcast team huh?)
So what happens if they get another red flag in the 3.5 laps the "new" rule requires after restart, do they honor the 7 seconds clock that timed down by then and the race is finished or do they require another 3(.5) laps? Then get another red flag, go another 3.5 laps? Race would never end. The original 90% rule would finish the race.
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OK, what are the rules on WHEN they call the red flag? Is it the second that the medical crew ask for it? I'm sure they had a talk about it before they threw it. That's what matters here, not what the rules are once the red flag is thrown.
it is obviously situation dependent…
Wait a minute. Youve been all over this forum screaming that rules are rules. But now it's situation dependent?
The whole thing comes down to the timing of throwing the flag, not what happens once the flag is thrown. That's what everyone is upset about.
I see you edited your post to include "he got whooped and handed a gift" Keep dreaming, dude. The guy who actually got whooped was Anstie on those last 2.5 laps where it mattered the most. BTW, Kitchen started BEHIND Max, Kitchen PASSED him. Not sure if you watched the race but thats not exacting handing him a gift. Max didn't fall and Levi was the fastest guy
Kitschdawg has the speed just lacks the fitness right now. This put him in the cat bird seat. Max didn't help himself leaving the door open. Both rode great
Yeah I thought that was the rule.. if the race was like 80 or 90% completed it was called. I remember Jake Weimer won like that in a mud race a long time ago around 2010 outdoors. I'm gutted for Max, he deserved that win.
The issue is, an official had the discretion to wait 7 seconds which, on balance, would have not been a safety detriment and would have preserved the integrity of the race. Arguably, doing so would be SAFER because of the risk of a shootout at 28 min of hard racing. Rules arent the whole story. There IS no rule stating WHEN a red flag must be thrown;it's purely discretionary. Therefore, dependent rules become somewhat sus and open to exploitation abuse or just misuse.
Ha I barely ever post but that is so daft I thought I would hop in to say so. Good job!
I didn't see what was displayed at Tampa.
These are the rules now, without the minute details.
There are 3 race states to consider.
1) When a race is stopped before the leader completes three (3) laps, the race will be deemed a complete restart.
2) When a race is stopped after time has expired on the race clock but prior to the checkered flag being displayed,
the race will be deemed complete, and the following procedures will apply:
* Scoring will revert to the running order on the last lap completed by all active Riders on the Lead Lap to
determine finishing positions.
* The race will be deemed complete and provisional results will be posted.
This means that any passes that have occurred since riders last passed the finish line are erased. This seems unfair, but it would be very difficult, time consuming, and in some cases impossible to determine the running order at the moment the red flag is thrown. It would involve watching footage from all cameras to determine passes for each rider. They're simply letting the transponders do the work, and taking the running order as the riders last crossed the line.
3) When a race is stopped after the leader completes three (3) laps but prior to time expiring on the race clock,
the following procedures will apply:
4. The race will be restarted as soon as possible from a staggered standing start in the starting area.
5. Scoring Procedures
i. Scoring will revert to the last lap completed by all active Riders on the Lead Lap. Riders involved in the
red flag will be considered active Riders for the purpose of establishing the running order, i.e. if all active
riders have crossed the finish line to complete their third lap and are working the fourth lap at the time of
the Red Flag, the starting order would be set with the order from the completion of the third lap.
ii. Total race time will be stopped during the red flag period and will resume when the race is restarted. Only
green flag periods will be used to calculate total race time.
iii. The race will be restarted with the remaining number of laps and/or time.
5.i is confusing a bit. I believe it basically means that, as it occurred tonight, the riders line up in a staggered start, in the order that they completed the last lap, not in the position they were in when the red flag was thrown, for the same reasons I described above.
The time continues when the race restarts.
On any restart, the race will be a minimum of 3 laps. This came into play tonight.
There were only 7 seconds left on the clock. So, without the 3 lap rule, the white flag would have been thrown as soon as any rider passed the finish line, and would've resulted in less than 2 laps. Tonight, after a partial lap, then 1 full lap, they threw a green flag, then white the following lap, then the checkered. The restart had 3 1/2 laps.
The previous rules stated that if a race was 90% complete, the race would be considered complete, and the positions would be the position riders last crossed the finish line. Any passes made on the last lap would not count.
The announcers didn't know the rules. They thought the restart would only be 1 1/2 laps.
I hope that clarifies things a bit.
Rich of you to call him a dumb ass
I’d like to know how you go to the red flag for safety without even using the red crossed flag first?
There was two laps of yellow flags, no crossed flags before deciding to stop the race.
Racing is Racing, part of it.
Max could've got tangled in with a lapper on last lap, anything can happen,
Shit happens
It's the rules... Is what it is..
I just finished watching the race a few hours ago. It reminded me of when nascar would throw debris cautions with just a few laps to go in the 2000s. Just felt like they used the situation to draw up some excitement. Almost like the junk they pulled at the finish of the second duel at Daytona this year.
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Checkers. The clock would have been expired.
Anstie was robbed....
7 second lead taken away.
Kitchen was not gonna be denied on that restart. He didn’t make the rules but he sure as hell took advantage of them.
Super stoked Levi is back baby, but man Anstie is looking dangerous. So cool to see Anstie in this position after not having a super successful go in 450 SX with Butler Brothers just a couple years ago
Every time there is a red flag the leader gets robbed. Especially a restart...
Nothing new under the sun as they say. Normally the rider is unable to pass..This time he did. It's on Max, not the AMA. Get over it.
First they bitch if they don't throw the red flag now they bitch when they do.
No you dumb dumb. Throwing the Red Cross is discretionary is what I was saying
Levi took full advantage of the staggering start and credit to him. But in no universe was he the fastest guy or did he whoop Max
Oh look Macadoo fucks up another race by crashing his brains out. I’m just thankful he didn’t decide to race after the red flag like he did at Atlanta. I suppose that’s a portion of payment due to Levi after also fucking up his championship last year from also crashing?
If they called the race, it would have went against the written rule. Yeah it sucks for Max, but the rules were followed. Could the rule use some revising? Maybe.
On a restart - at least for the top 5 - they should be started at the same intervals they were at when race was red flagged. Max goes, 7 secs later Kitchen etc.
After the top 5 let everyone go as they are doing so at the moment .
Just seems bullshit a guy gets a huge lead taken away from him.
Thanks for clarifying after my comment, didn’t realize they had changed. Still sucks for Anstie, what a gut punch!
I would think after seeing the outcome this weekend they might change it to something like that next year. A staggered restart can never be 100% equal to everyone, some will have advantages of it and some disadvantages but it sure could be made better.
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