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Magoofan said simple and I said simple, and you were responding to that.
Whadda ya know- weekend warriors not wanting overly complicated machinery to have fun! You’d think Yamaha would know this all too well with the number of old tech YZ125 & 250s they sell.
That said, what do we want them to do? STOP developing technology?? Nah, course we don’t!
I was going to comment along the exact same lines…
Are these the same riders who WONT buy an RMZ because it’s “old tech”??🤣🤣
It’s not a video game, so why would I use it 100 times a day? I found a map I like and I stick to it. It’s a very nice feature to have. If I decide I don’t like the map anymore then I’ll open the app again and change it but til then I don’t need the app right now.
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I call bullcrap
Because the access that yamaha gives you is MINIMAL and the changes made hardly make a difference. Most of it is placebo effect. The only thing the app is good for is the hour meter
I find the app easy to use and convenient for tracking maintenance intervals. Also the Keefer free feeling map has ran great in my bike so that’s what I keep it on.
They literally have a slide bar with a graphic to show you how the power will be affected by the change you just made 😂
Personally I really like the power tuner app
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I cannot figure out how to connect my Motorola StarTAC to the damn bike
I’d be curious what was told to MXA and how MXA reported on it. I fear that this, like many things in moto media, probably got jumbled in translation.
If Yamaha buyers are never using the app, their dealers aren’t doing their job by getting new buyers set up before they walk out of the dealership. If users know how to use the app but just don’t, that’s another issue, but speaks more to the types of buyers that get these bikes. Even if an owner never touches the maps, it’s a little concerning that the don’t open the app for the hour meter feature at the very least.
The way I used the app was probably how I imagine most people used the app: heavily into adjusting maps and tinkering at the beginning, then just using it to track maintenance and check some of the sensor readings after I had the maps where I wanted them. After two years owning the bike, I adjusted maps for the first two months and then never played with them again, but I’d check data on the app a couple times a month. I don’t need a new map for every track, but the ability to make the adjustments was valuable. Are the people Yamaha says never check the app like me? Or do they literally never check the app?
That sounds exactly like how I use my app. I think it's a great and easy-to-use feature.
what are clickers?
What? But I read on Vital that nobody rides with stock suspension, and most people “throw on” a Vortex and a pipe. Yeah, that’s why they aren’t using the app - they don’t need to because they threw on a Vortex.
How much does the app connect to the bike vs. data service? Do you have to have data service where you are using the app or is everything on the app already so it doesn't use data when connected to the bike? Reason I ask is a lot of tracks and other places people ride have spotty or even no service.
As long as the app is up to date, you shouldn’t need service.
Please tell me there are guys “changing maps” but just pushing a button
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Here is a link to the full article so people don't have to rely on my second-hand account of it:
https://motocrossactionmag.com/mxa-race-test-2025-yamaha-yz250f/
Yamaha's app is pretty cool, it's a matter of how much you want to get into it. Like any other tech you have to spend some time poking around in it. The more you already know about jetting/etc. the more useful it can be.
I've learned through threads here on Vital and from Keefer, so I have loaded a few maps and played with the traction control based on track conditions. You can definitely notice a difference between maps. But once you get some things dialed in, it's "set and forget". One thing that is really nice is you can switch between maps on the fly while you're riding.
But i think you could give some people a bike with a kick starter and a push button and they would still use the kicker cause the good ol' days.
Waiting on the report from Kawasaki that they made a mistake and the new rideology app actually doesn't change anything.
At this point I think it's a placebo psychology operation.
most likely because of, most of us dont know WTF we are doing , myself included
Truthfully it doesn’t surprise me much. I see lots of guys who can’t change their own tires. The app isn’t complicated at all. The best thing about it is using it for maintenance, oil changes etc. Keeps track of that stuff. Most guys will load a map once and be good. It is nice if you’re riding an event like mammoth. What used to be a pia tear down to find the right jetting is now a simple task.
Does it come with any pre installed maps ?
I would be interested to see if you could click map 1 - 10 if people would try more maps? Maybe lack of knowing what to change or how it really works scares people off.
I ride a Kawi & have an XPR vortex. It is pretty cool to just be able to plug in map 4 test it out then run map 1. If you could toggle back & forth on the yz app or other apps I wonder if that would help people use it.
Most people don’t set their sag. It doesn’t surprise me they don’t connect their phone ever.
I don’t see why people not changing tires or setting sag would predict app usage. You can be completely mechanically inept and still be capable of using an app. I’d think that the app is made for exactly that reason: To allow the mechanically inept to make adjustments on their bike. But many people may be perfectly happy with it as is, so they have no motivation to bother.
I'll say that the thread title is a little misleading with regard to the conclusions of that sentence in the article.
It just says "An incredible percentage of racers never change their maps," without mention of what that percentage is. MXA could consider a third "an incredible percentage"
But even if many riders don't ever change their maps, that doesn't mean "few riders change maps". It can be both true that both many riders DON'T change maps, and, at the same time, many riders DO change maps.
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