24 Rmz announced all new

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6/21/2023 11:52pm
Magoofan wrote:
If I was in the market for a 450/250 MX bike, i'd buy one.       Spend the savings on mods. Yellow Zooks....still the best looking...

If I was in the market for a 450/250 MX bike, i'd buy one.       Spend the savings on mods.

Yellow Zooks....still the best looking bikes out there.  (coming from a Yamaha lifer)

 

What savings?  You ain’t saving much if any on a new RMZ these days.  

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6/22/2023 1:43am

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Magoofan wrote:
If I was in the market for a 450/250 MX bike, i'd buy one.       Spend the savings on mods. Yellow Zooks....still the best looking...

If I was in the market for a 450/250 MX bike, i'd buy one.       Spend the savings on mods.

Yellow Zooks....still the best looking bikes out there.  (coming from a Yamaha lifer)

 

183Matt wrote:

What savings?  You ain’t saving much if any on a new RMZ these days.  

Just a 3 minute search for "New" 2023 KX450's,   1) dealer:   Great Western of Hickory : Hickory, NC $6,599.00                                    2) dealer:  Mega Powersports, Inc :  Gaylord, MI  $6,599.00                                                                                                                  3) dealer:  Glen Burnie Motorsports - Glen Burnie, MD  $6,599.00                                                                                                          4) dealer  Holister Powersports - Holister, CA   $6,399.00                                                                                                                      So, for $6,399.00 plus TTL you can buy a very updated 2023 KX450 or for a couple thousand "more" dollars you can buy a Suzuki RMZ450 that hasn't been updated since 2012??

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6/22/2023 5:54am

The Suzuki R&D department has left the building.... 10 years ago. 

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6/22/2023 6:04am

Now, it's just as expensive AND you get even more nothing! Imagine buying this thing new at a dealership? 

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I just… I just don’t get it. Suzuki has to do one thing, and one thing only to stay relevant. Add an estart. Sure, all of you macho guys can say it’s not that hard to kick start… but why when estarts exist? I suppose y’all also want 4 strokes to go back carburetors too smh. (Side note - kick start a bike on a right hand off camber and tell me it’s no big deal)

We don’t want a PC pipe. We don’t want BNG. The bike is fine, just add an effing estart and keep pricing competitive. We will buy it. It’s not rocket science. 
 

 

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Now, it's just as expensive AND you get even more nothing! Imagine buying this thing new at a dealership? 

They’re going to lose whatever dealers they had after this. Kenny was supposed to inspire them to put out a bike that would sell. They’re just grabbing as much cash as they can now before they’re gone entirely. I say they’re completely out of the sport by the time Triumph and Ducati come around in 2026.

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6/22/2023 6:17am Edited Date/Time 6/22/2023 11:50am

In Italy, Valenti-Racing sells the E-Start kit as early as 2018... of course the weight of the bike increases and if I remember correctly it cost 900€
Suzuki have to sell 1000€ cheaper so the customer can buy that WinkIMG 6979

 

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The Suzuki R&D department has left the building.... 10 years ago. 

I think it’s more like 12 years..

What did everybody expect? Where should the R&D for a new bike come from if they have no R&D department anymore? Maybe if they‘d outsource to KTM…

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6/22/2023 8:18am Edited Date/Time 6/22/2023 8:28am
TeamGreen wrote:
They’re even missing the boat on price…  Compared to the Honda “S”, the Zook needs to sell for $7,999.

They’re even missing the boat on price…

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 Compared to the Honda “S”, the Zook needs to sell for $7,999.

It does sell for that.

It's just stupidly not obvious that it does, because it is hidden in their seemingly perpetual $1000 manufacturer's rebate program

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Adding battery and start to heaviest 450f motocross bike wont make it better just even heavier. 

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burn1986
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6/22/2023 9:08am Edited Date/Time 6/22/2023 9:08am

So should we start an RMZ remembrance thread? Lol

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6/22/2023 11:20am Edited Date/Time 6/22/2023 3:10pm
I just… I just don’t get it. Suzuki has to do one thing, and one thing only to stay relevant. Add an estart. Sure, all of...

I just… I just don’t get it. Suzuki has to do one thing, and one thing only to stay relevant. Add an estart. Sure, all of you macho guys can say it’s not that hard to kick start… but why when estarts exist? I suppose y’all also want 4 strokes to go back carburetors too smh. (Side note - kick start a bike on a right hand off camber and tell me it’s no big deal)

We don’t want a PC pipe. We don’t want BNG. The bike is fine, just add an effing estart and keep pricing competitive. We will buy it. It’s not rocket science. 
 

 

If a kickstart and a carburetor brought the price of bikes down another 1,000 bucks 2000 bucks out the door over efi and e start. Sign me up all day long. If I could walk out for 10 grand with a 250 and a 450 like. I did in 08 through 2011. I'm all for it. 

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6/22/2023 11:28am Edited Date/Time 6/22/2023 11:28am

 Do I smell a 24.5 factory edition with a #94 on it and e start ?

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I just… I just don’t get it. Suzuki has to do one thing, and one thing only to stay relevant. Add an estart. Sure, all of...

I just… I just don’t get it. Suzuki has to do one thing, and one thing only to stay relevant. Add an estart. Sure, all of you macho guys can say it’s not that hard to kick start… but why when estarts exist? I suppose y’all also want 4 strokes to go back carburetors too smh. (Side note - kick start a bike on a right hand off camber and tell me it’s no big deal)

We don’t want a PC pipe. We don’t want BNG. The bike is fine, just add an effing estart and keep pricing competitive. We will buy it. It’s not rocket science. 
 

 

If a kickstart and a carburetor brought the price of bikes down another 1,000 bucks 2000 bucks out the door over efi and e start. Sign...

If a kickstart and a carburetor brought the price of bikes down another 1,000 bucks 2000 bucks out the door over efi and e start. Sign me up all day long. If I could walk out for 10 grand with a 250 and a 450 like. I did in 08 through 2011. I'm all for it. 

It's hard to tell exactly what you're saying but i'll gladly pay an extra $1500 for e start and fuel injection. 

My crf250r was $9300 out the door. 

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6/22/2023 12:06pm

Just offer the bike for 6k plus ttl. They are not going to change it so make it a introductory bike and let it fly. 

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6/22/2023 12:27pm
mb60 wrote:

Just offer the bike for 6k plus ttl. They are not going to change it so make it a introductory bike and let it fly. 

Yes

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6/22/2023 12:50pm

250f for 5k and 450 for 6k would be legit.

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Because it's fun to smoke dudes like you on.

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6/22/2023 3:11pm Edited Date/Time 6/22/2023 3:11pm
I just… I just don’t get it. Suzuki has to do one thing, and one thing only to stay relevant. Add an estart. Sure, all of...

I just… I just don’t get it. Suzuki has to do one thing, and one thing only to stay relevant. Add an estart. Sure, all of you macho guys can say it’s not that hard to kick start… but why when estarts exist? I suppose y’all also want 4 strokes to go back carburetors too smh. (Side note - kick start a bike on a right hand off camber and tell me it’s no big deal)

We don’t want a PC pipe. We don’t want BNG. The bike is fine, just add an effing estart and keep pricing competitive. We will buy it. It’s not rocket science. 
 

 

If a kickstart and a carburetor brought the price of bikes down another 1,000 bucks 2000 bucks out the door over efi and e start. Sign...

If a kickstart and a carburetor brought the price of bikes down another 1,000 bucks 2000 bucks out the door over efi and e start. Sign me up all day long. If I could walk out for 10 grand with a 250 and a 450 like. I did in 08 through 2011. I'm all for it. 

It's hard to tell exactly what you're saying but i'll gladly pay an extra $1500 for e start and fuel injection.  My crf250r was $9300 out...

It's hard to tell exactly what you're saying but i'll gladly pay an extra $1500 for e start and fuel injection. 

My crf250r was $9300 out the door. 

Fixed it. Damn talk to text.

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Because it's fun to smoke dudes like you on.

Heh, smokin dudes.

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6/22/2023 10:08pm

There is a market for a decent, dated bike, for sure. There is a niche to be had there:  The price needs to be significantly less than all the others.

It isn't.

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6/22/2023 11:26pm

Anybody know where the extra weight comes from? Cases, transmission, clutch?

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zehn wrote:

Anybody know where the extra weight comes from? Cases, transmission, clutch?

The riders right leg muscles. 

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gti wrote:

 Do I smell a 24.5 factory edition with a #94 on it and e start ?

Not sure what you are sniffing but no way in hell is there going to be an 24.5 FE 

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6/23/2023 2:59am

Suzuki is paying more for raw materials, manufacturing, labor, and shipping costs most likely than 2022/2023 but should lower the cost of their bike to 6G?  If that logic makes sense to you please don’t run a business (or reproduce)  Also, the writing is on the wall for Zook, a blind man can see they’re on their way out. We’ve got diehards at the races still running them in our area, but most are in the vet class. Very few if any younger riders are on them. For them to make a comeback at this point would be a miracle. Bummer. 

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cwel11 wrote:
Suzuki is paying more for raw materials, manufacturing, labor, and shipping costs most likely than 2022/2023 but should lower the cost of their bike to 6G...

Suzuki is paying more for raw materials, manufacturing, labor, and shipping costs most likely than 2022/2023 but should lower the cost of their bike to 6G?  If that logic makes sense to you please don’t run a business (or reproduce)  Also, the writing is on the wall for Zook, a blind man can see they’re on their way out. We’ve got diehards at the races still running them in our area, but most are in the vet class. Very few if any younger riders are on them. For them to make a comeback at this point would be a miracle. Bummer. 

Lol fuck you for your run a business or reproduce comments. 
 

but they can reduce the price because they’re spending zero on r&d, zero on test riders, zero on engineers.

 

gm allocated 900+ million to the next duramax Diesel engine development, Suzuki’s allocated  zero into the Rmz since 18 and not a helluva lot since 08. The engine shares 99% with the 08 still to this day same with the 250.

 

and if they want to have any market share reducing the price and becoming the budget , rock solid reliable, option is a viable one.

 

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6/23/2023 7:06am
gti wrote:

 Do I smell a 24.5 factory edition with a #94 on it and e start ?

kiwifan wrote:

Not sure what you are sniffing but no way in hell is there going to be an 24.5 FE 

When the updated 2018 bike was released, it was in early January so it was similar situation to what KTM does with their “Factory Editions”. I’m not saying it is going to happen, but I suppose it’s not out of the question for them to release the info on a 2025 bike early. 

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6/23/2023 7:19am
cwel11 wrote:
Suzuki is paying more for raw materials, manufacturing, labor, and shipping costs most likely than 2022/2023 but should lower the cost of their bike to 6G...

Suzuki is paying more for raw materials, manufacturing, labor, and shipping costs most likely than 2022/2023 but should lower the cost of their bike to 6G?  If that logic makes sense to you please don’t run a business (or reproduce)  Also, the writing is on the wall for Zook, a blind man can see they’re on their way out. We’ve got diehards at the races still running them in our area, but most are in the vet class. Very few if any younger riders are on them. For them to make a comeback at this point would be a miracle. Bummer. 

Materials and manufacturing costs is only part of the pricing equation. 

The other manufacturers spend a lot of money on R&D and updating the bikes every few years. There is a lot financially that goes into this process, and it recouped by bike sales. Since Suzuki does not invest much money in this area, there should be room on the table for their bikes to be priced lower. 

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6/23/2023 7:24am

You can blame Consumer Reports intentional false assessment of the Suzuki Samauri for the current state of Suzuki.

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