The Deegan Bike Claim Story - Part 1, 2, and 3 | UPDATE: Brennan's Sponsor Responds | Schofield, Cotter, Burkeen, Deegan, Luce, and Walker

8/15/2022 9:03pm Edited Date/Time 8/15/2022 9:15pm
What did Deegan do wrong here he was up at the ama office asked if he could speak to person claiming bike and Not Tim Cotter...
What did Deegan do wrong here he was up at the ama office asked if he could speak to person claiming bike and Not Tim Cotter but the ama said ok come in and he talked to the kid for like 2-3 mins cotter and Mike from ama said
Deegan or any grown man needs no part of "talking to" some unaccompanied kid over this.
Then why did the kid go alone without his parents then with 17,000. Kid shouldn’t be walking around with 17,000 going to claim a bike if...
Then why did the kid go alone without his parents then with 17,000. Kid shouldn’t be walking around with 17,000 going to claim a bike if he can’t talk to a couple men .
Kid can walk around with as much of his own money as he wants. Especially since he had a plan to go spend it.

I am not really questioning the kid's choices, since by all accounts he was calculating, mature, polite, and fastidious with the rules. Brian Deegan is the grown man who wanted to do that one-on-one, which seems like a dumbass grown man choice.
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Because Brennan’s account is more right than anyone elses
Sore Loser wrote:
Really? As of now I only count two people possibly caught in lies. And we still yet to hear from other important parties such as the...
Really?

As of now I only count two people possibly caught in lies.

And we still yet to hear from other important parties such as the dealership or Walker.
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If you believe Brennan is lying, why do you think he dropped the claim?
Tough to say still. But it seems like the dealership had words with dad, and dad told son to drop it.

I think we’ll know a LOT more from the dealership interview with ML.

The Yamaha pressure theory is now proven to be conjecture by Brennan (as I suspected). That doesn’t entirely mean Yamaha didnt apply pressure tho.

Im not even sure the meeting with Yamaha Donnie & Walker had done anything to hurt Brennan’s resolve at that point. Doesnt mean shenanigans didnt occur in that meeting. But they may have not been the seminal factor.

Would sure be something to find out it was dad that pulled the plug on the claim wouldnt it? Oh boy would the mob look stoopid.
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8/15/2022 9:05pm
Utah Moto wrote:
I haven’t listened yet but does Matt walker have ANY credibility before I listen? Of all the parties involved he seems like the one that would...
I haven’t listened yet but does Matt walker have ANY credibility before I listen? Of all the parties involved he seems like the one that would bold face lie about everything to save his own ass. I almost don’t even care to listen
Zero credibility. Basically said it was all the dealer that didn’t want Brennan to claim it from the start and took the lead on their own to get them to drop it.

I did find it interesting that Walker trains the son of the owner of the dealer who dropped Brennan…….
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Why did Brennan keep saying was Tim cotter and Deegan in room only with him . When the head AMA official was in that room also...
Why did Brennan keep saying was Tim cotter and Deegan in room only with him . When the head AMA official was in that room also and was the one that let Deegan in
Because he’s a 17 year old moto kid. The situation was a lot to take in. His story is bound to have inconsistencies and flaws. And he’s got an agenda of his own to protect.

Not a surprise to you and me but boy did the mob take the bait.
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8/15/2022 9:08pm
I wonder if these idiots backing the deegans would be this big of pussies if it was them trying to buy that bike. Sore loser sure is opinionated. Would he roll over if it was his 17k and knew he was within the rules?
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8/15/2022 9:10pm
Sore Loser wrote:
Really? As of now I only count two people possibly caught in lies. And we still yet to hear from other important parties such as the...
Really?

As of now I only count two people possibly caught in lies.

And we still yet to hear from other important parties such as the dealership or Walker.
USA wrote:
If you believe Brennan is lying, why do you think he dropped the claim?
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Tough to say still. But it seems like the dealership had words with dad, and dad told son to drop it. I think we’ll know a...
Tough to say still. But it seems like the dealership had words with dad, and dad told son to drop it.

I think we’ll know a LOT more from the dealership interview with ML.

The Yamaha pressure theory is now proven to be conjecture by Brennan (as I suspected). That doesn’t entirely mean Yamaha didnt apply pressure tho.

Im not even sure the meeting with Yamaha Donnie & Walker had done anything to hurt Brennan’s resolve at that point. Doesnt mean shenanigans didnt occur in that meeting. But they may have not been the seminal factor.

Would sure be something to find out it was dad that pulled the plug on the claim wouldnt it? Oh boy would the mob look stoopid.
I bet it was the dad who got him to drop it was seeing how it was getting out of control and was going cost his son his racing career and sponsor over a beef he had with the Deegans since southwick. I’m really of the opinion that the kid hates the Deegans and wanted to try drop them down a notch or fuck with them and this was only way he could see fit to do it. Everyone is allowed to have their own opinions and that’s how I see it now after hearing interviews and seeing the snap chats and hearing southwick story
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8/15/2022 9:11pm
Utah Moto wrote:
I wonder if these idiots backing the deegans would be this big of pussies if it was them trying to buy that bike. Sore loser sure...
I wonder if these idiots backing the deegans would be this big of pussies if it was them trying to buy that bike. Sore loser sure is opinionated. Would he roll over if it was his 17k and knew he was within the rules?
You must be Brennan or working for him
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8/15/2022 9:16pm Edited Date/Time 8/15/2022 9:23pm
MO 23 wrote:
Dan aka "Sore loser", why dont you tell us who you are and your relation to this whole thing?
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Who am I? Im the one guy here who isnt afraid to have an unpopular opinion if it means speaking the truth. No “relation” to Jesus...
Who am I? Im the one guy here who isnt afraid to have an unpopular opinion if it means speaking the truth.

No “relation” to Jesus Christ but he is my homeboy.
Just be honest.

Is your name Daniel and do you have any affiliation with Star Yamaha? and/or the Deegans?

And chill out with the "i am so virtuous" crap
I also think the kid is lying about his motivations, I just dont care, he claimed it, he should have the bike.
Its such bullshit that after claiming the bike, anyone is allowed to start "negotiating" with him.

The fact that it went down like that proves that Star/the Deegans didnt want the bike to go. Brian Deegan said it himself, he didnt think it is fair that anyone can just benefit from all of the money and work put into it.... that is EXACTLY why the rule exists.


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8/15/2022 9:18pm Edited Date/Time 8/15/2022 9:19pm
Utah Moto wrote:
I wonder if these idiots backing the deegans would be this big of pussies if it was them trying to buy that bike. Sore loser sure...
I wonder if these idiots backing the deegans would be this big of pussies if it was them trying to buy that bike. Sore loser sure is opinionated. Would he roll over if it was his 17k and knew he was within the rules?
1. I’ve ridden a factory bike or two so I wouldn’t need to spend $17k “just to see what it’s like”.

2. If I wanted to ride a Star bike I could just drive to North Florida and ask. And if they said no I’d accept that answer.

3. I’m not one to protest a competitor even when I know they’re cheating. I know it’s never worth the hassle unless you have some serious political clout.

4. I know what it’s like to invest too much time into testing and would never feel right taking someone’s LL bike.

5. If I did file a claim, I think y’all should know by now, Im stubborn enough to stick with it all the way thru.
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8/15/2022 9:18pm
ML - these interviews were awesome and provided alot of clarity and transparency. Thank you.

I found Schofield to continue to be credible.
Cotter is a lifelong dedicated employee, and was honest in his admission that he should have had Schofield's dad in the room. I also feel he should have NEVER allowed Brian Deegan to talk to Schofield. They may it sounds reasonable, but the act of claiming is adversarial and putting Schofield in front of Brian was wrong. I have more of a problem with that than the minor/should have had dad present issue.

Looking forward to the rest. High drama.
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8/15/2022 9:21pm
Why does Schofeild keep saying was Tim Cotter and Brian Deegan only in room with him, when the head Ama official was in that room also
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8/15/2022 9:25pm
Why does Schofeild keep saying was Tim Cotter and Brian Deegan only in room with him, when the head Ama official was in that room also
Doesn't matter.
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8/15/2022 9:25pm
I bet it was the dad who got him to drop it was seeing how it was getting out of control and was going cost his...
I bet it was the dad who got him to drop it was seeing how it was getting out of control and was going cost his son his racing career and sponsor over a beef he had with the Deegans since southwick. I’m really of the opinion that the kid hates the Deegans and wanted to try drop them down a notch or fuck with them and this was only way he could see fit to do it. Everyone is allowed to have their own opinions and that’s how I see it now after hearing interviews and seeing the snap chats and hearing southwick story
I asked early on if this exact theory was plausible and was met with almost universal hostility.

It sure doesnt fit the mob’s narrative. LOL.

You must be one of my co-workers at Yamaha. Or do we work at Star? Or are we Haiden’s siblings? Or are you Walker and I am Cotter? Oh I know who we are, we’re “controlled opposition”!
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8/15/2022 9:26pm
Looks like Tim is an ama official… there’s his email
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Why does Schofeild keep saying was Tim Cotter and Brian Deegan only in room with him, when the head Ama official was in that room also
Doesn't matter.
Doesn’t matter ? And doesn’t matter when all 3 of them that were in that room said it was tops 3-5mins not 30?
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I wonder if these idiots backing the deegans would be this big of pussies if it was them trying to buy that bike. Sore loser sure...
I wonder if these idiots backing the deegans would be this big of pussies if it was them trying to buy that bike. Sore loser sure is opinionated. Would he roll over if it was his 17k and knew he was within the rules?
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1. I’ve ridden a factory bike or two so I wouldn’t need to spend $17k “just to see what it’s like”. 2. If I wanted to...
1. I’ve ridden a factory bike or two so I wouldn’t need to spend $17k “just to see what it’s like”.

2. If I wanted to ride a Star bike I could just drive to North Florida and ask. And if they said no I’d accept that answer.

3. I’m not one to protest a competitor even when I know they’re cheating. I know it’s never worth the hassle unless you have some serious political clout.

4. I know what it’s like to invest too much time into testing and would never feel right taking someone’s LL bike.

5. If I did file a claim, I think y’all should know by now, Im stubborn enough to stick with it all the way thru.
The point is dumbass. You’re a grown ass man. If you worked OT, saved up and wanted to buy that bike and did it legally.. as a grown man talking to deegan would you back down or would you buy the bike. With yjr arrogance you’ve shown in this thread I’m betting your follow through just like Brennan should have
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8/15/2022 9:27pm
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It is a really simple thing that I don't know why he keeps lying about. I was in the room the entire time Brian was there...
It is a really simple thing that I don't know why he keeps lying about. I was in the room the entire time Brian was there. He was never in the room with Brain and Tim alone.
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Did I understand correctly Harris called a week before the race asking how to claim a bike? I support the kid Brennan and no doubt he...
Did I understand correctly Harris called a week before the race asking how to claim a bike?

I support the kid Brennan and no doubt he was coerced into dropping the claim by outside pressure, he should of got the bike ect. But it also speaks volumes to Harris playing the good guy supporter who claims he knew nothing about the claim idea from Brennan until Loretta’s yet he was on the phone about it a week prior and involved directly in the initiation with most of the officials.

Whole thing stinks to heavens and hope we can determine who pressured him into dropping it

Edit: just so it’s clear, Harris being dishonest has nothing to do with the fact Brennan got the shaft in this ordeal
Actually Derrick Harris stated Brennan informed him about the plan to claim the bike in his video interview with corkski. BUT.....in neither of his interviews did he divulge he contacted AMA Mike Burkeen about the claim. Harris now has ZERO credibility with me. And him standing there instead of the dad when initiating the claim speaks volumes. I still like the kid, but holy fuck, this Darrick Harris might be ANOTHER GOD DAM VILLAIN in this shitshow!!!!!
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Just be honest. Is your name Daniel and do you have any affiliation with Star Yamaha? and/or the Deegans? And chill out with the "i am...
Just be honest.

Is your name Daniel and do you have any affiliation with Star Yamaha? and/or the Deegans?

And chill out with the "i am so virtuous" crap
I also think the kid is lying about his motivations, I just dont care, he claimed it, he should have the bike.
Its such bullshit that after claiming the bike, anyone is allowed to start "negotiating" with him.

The fact that it went down like that proves that Star/the Deegans didnt want the bike to go. Brian Deegan said it himself, he didnt think it is fair that anyone can just benefit from all of the money and work put into it.... that is EXACTLY why the rule exists.


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8/15/2022 9:29pm
Why does Schofeild keep saying was Tim Cotter and Brian Deegan only in room with him, when the head Ama official was in that room also
Doesn't matter.
Doesn’t matter ? And doesn’t matter when all 3 of them that were in that room said it was tops 3-5mins not 30?
Nope. Inappropriate under any circumstances. No meeting need occur at all between Brennan as claimant, and Deegan as whoever-the-fuck who doesn't own the bike Brennan bought.
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Actually Derrick Harris stated Brennan informed him about the plan to claim the bike in his video interview with corkski. BUT.....in neither of his interviews did...
Actually Derrick Harris stated Brennan informed him about the plan to claim the bike in his video interview with corkski. BUT.....in neither of his interviews did he divulge he contacted AMA Mike Burkeen about the claim. Harris now has ZERO credibility with me. And him standing there instead of the dad when initiating the claim speaks volumes. I still like the kid, but holy fuck, this Darrick Harris might be ANOTHER GOD DAM VILLAIN in this shitshow!!!!!
What’s the odds now that Haris put the $ up for Brennan?
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8/15/2022 9:34pm
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Actually Derrick Harris stated Brennan informed him about the plan to claim the bike in his video interview with corkski. BUT.....in neither of his interviews did...
Actually Derrick Harris stated Brennan informed him about the plan to claim the bike in his video interview with corkski. BUT.....in neither of his interviews did he divulge he contacted AMA Mike Burkeen about the claim. Harris now has ZERO credibility with me. And him standing there instead of the dad when initiating the claim speaks volumes. I still like the kid, but holy fuck, this Darrick Harris might be ANOTHER GOD DAM VILLAIN in this shitshow!!!!!
Sore Loser wrote:
What’s the odds now that Haris put the $ up for Brennan?
Doesn't matter.
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8/15/2022 9:35pm Edited Date/Time 8/15/2022 9:37pm
Throughout this whole saga, knowing what we know now, who’s been caught in the most lies?

Oh wait, lying doesnt matter is what I’ve been told over & over. Nevermind. LOL.
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So, Matt Walker trains the son of Brennan's sponsor dealership's owner (who reps Yamaha bikes).......And Matt Walker was hob knobbing with Donnie Luce from Yamaha when they pulled Brennan into their pit to chastise him over his claim decision, in which Walker went on to go batshit crazy and threaten to kick the engine builders ass.....and then the sponsor dealer's owner pulls Brennan's dad into a one on one discussion at the same time as the Walker bat shit crazy rant, then Brennan's dad has some miraculous epiphany then tells Brennan to just drop it - which he then does. And then the dealership drops Brennan's sponsorship......and Yet 100% of the remaining sponsors for Brennan have stayed with him through all of this.

If some of you remaining dick fucks can't put 2+2 together, then there ain't no hope for ya at this point.

This isn't rocket science. Walker is lying. Luce is lying. The Sponsor dealership is lying. I don't think Cotter lied in his interview, I'm just not convinced he didn't omit some things he knew in order to cover some things up. If Deegan had anything to do with it, it was very much behind the scenes (if he had anything at all to do with it).
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8/15/2022 9:36pm
Utah Moto wrote:
I wonder if these idiots backing the deegans would be this big of pussies if it was them trying to buy that bike. Sore loser sure...
I wonder if these idiots backing the deegans would be this big of pussies if it was them trying to buy that bike. Sore loser sure is opinionated. Would he roll over if it was his 17k and knew he was within the rules?
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1. I’ve ridden a factory bike or two so I wouldn’t need to spend $17k “just to see what it’s like”. 2. If I wanted to...
1. I’ve ridden a factory bike or two so I wouldn’t need to spend $17k “just to see what it’s like”.

2. If I wanted to ride a Star bike I could just drive to North Florida and ask. And if they said no I’d accept that answer.

3. I’m not one to protest a competitor even when I know they’re cheating. I know it’s never worth the hassle unless you have some serious political clout.

4. I know what it’s like to invest too much time into testing and would never feel right taking someone’s LL bike.

5. If I did file a claim, I think y’all should know by now, Im stubborn enough to stick with it all the way thru.
Utah Moto wrote:
The point is dumbass. You’re a grown ass man. If you worked OT, saved up and wanted to buy that bike and did it legally.. as...
The point is dumbass. You’re a grown ass man. If you worked OT, saved up and wanted to buy that bike and did it legally.. as a grown man talking to deegan would you back down or would you buy the bike. With yjr arrogance you’ve shown in this thread I’m betting your follow through just like Brennan should have
I don’t hold grudges like that and try to bring another rider down when he’s going for his last moto for a championship. Brennan had a beef with Deegan and had agenda set out for Deegan over jealousy of not having what Hayden has. You can see it in his post after southwick he was really jealous and wanted to hurt him and was only way he knew he could
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I like the fight in that kid. No fucks given about taking it to those shit bags on and off the track 😂
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8/15/2022 9:38pm Edited Date/Time 8/15/2022 9:48pm
ML - Thank you for releasing Part 2 tonight; it kept me up much later than my bedtime.

I provided a really lengthy synopsis at hte end of page 4, but after hearing the MX Factory interviews, Part 1 & 2 of Vital interviews, and the PulpMX intervews (Weege, and the show tonight)....I won't assume I know exactly what happened, but you can tell pretty quickly who the shady characters are relative to the others.

Matt Walker - This dude has no credibility after hearing him first on Plup, and now in Part 2. Almost all other interviews allude to him being very aggressive in the meeting with Brenden/Motor Guy/Dad, yet he is absolutely insistent that he wasn't and that it was simply him trying to gently guide his rider to the right moral choice.

During his interview in Part 2, Matt is defensive the entire time when he's not being accused about anything. He did the same thing on PulpMX, where he was adding in all sorts of extraneous detail, trying to play up his credibility in the industry etc.

His mannerisms and dialect aren't doing him any favors either (I say that as a Southerner too). He just comes across like a guy you'd see on the First 48 trying to say he didn't stab somebody, when you've seen him on 5 different cameras stabbing somebody.

Lastly (and I said this in my earlier synopsis), if he has such a great relationship with Brenden & his family, then why are they citing his conduct, and terming the relationship? It makes no sense.

Donnie Luce - Sure seems like he was trying to make some deals after getting texted by Deegan. Not implying Deegan put him up to it (he could have just been complaining "can you believe this s***?" kind of thing), but it seems really odd to try and figure out more details about someone you've never heard of, and then 5 minutes later you're talking about giving them 2 motors, and floating the idea of trips out to ride Yamaha factory bikes. Yamaha runs a great amature racing program, but they aren't handing out free trips and multiple motors to everyone at races.

I doubt he was put up to it by corporate at all, probably just trying to handle it on the ground...but he wasn't negotiating ~$10k door prizes to anyone else. I wonder why that is?

Donnie doesn't seem nearly as sketchy as Matt, but it does seem like he's omitting some of what was discussed.

Deegan called/texted Donnie after learning of the claim for a reason though, and Donnie immediately sought additional information after receiving that contact. He wasn't going on the hunt to learn about a forlorn Yamaha riding amateur with two blown up practice bikes...that much I do know...can't say much else.

Let me be clear, it doesn't seem Deegan was all that involved. He might have just inadvertently set some of this in motion?

The Dealer - This guy is the wild card. If he's good buddies with Matt, then who the hell knows. I'm hooked, and I'll be watching tomorrow.
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Sore Loser wrote:
1. I’ve ridden a factory bike or two so I wouldn’t need to spend $17k “just to see what it’s like”. 2. If I wanted to...
1. I’ve ridden a factory bike or two so I wouldn’t need to spend $17k “just to see what it’s like”.

2. If I wanted to ride a Star bike I could just drive to North Florida and ask. And if they said no I’d accept that answer.

3. I’m not one to protest a competitor even when I know they’re cheating. I know it’s never worth the hassle unless you have some serious political clout.

4. I know what it’s like to invest too much time into testing and would never feel right taking someone’s LL bike.

5. If I did file a claim, I think y’all should know by now, Im stubborn enough to stick with it all the way thru.
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The point is dumbass. You’re a grown ass man. If you worked OT, saved up and wanted to buy that bike and did it legally.. as...
The point is dumbass. You’re a grown ass man. If you worked OT, saved up and wanted to buy that bike and did it legally.. as a grown man talking to deegan would you back down or would you buy the bike. With yjr arrogance you’ve shown in this thread I’m betting your follow through just like Brennan should have
I don’t hold grudges like that and try to bring another rider down when he’s going for his last moto for a championship. Brennan had a...
I don’t hold grudges like that and try to bring another rider down when he’s going for his last moto for a championship. Brennan had a beef with Deegan and had agenda set out for Deegan over jealousy of not having what Hayden has. You can see it in his post after southwick he was really jealous and wanted to hurt him and was only way he knew he could
How dumb do the deegans have to be to know you have an enemy coming after you AND STILL putting a 100k bike out there. They should have got everything they deserved
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8/15/2022 9:38pm
In all the protagonists own words none of them did anything wrong.

The claim rule exists, everyone thinks it's a good idea unless someone does a claim.

Donnie literally said he thinks it's a good rule. Yet he was in Matt Walkers pit trying to get the claim to go away.
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8/15/2022 9:39pm
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Actually Derrick Harris stated Brennan informed him about the plan to claim the bike in his video interview with corkski. BUT.....in neither of his interviews did...
Actually Derrick Harris stated Brennan informed him about the plan to claim the bike in his video interview with corkski. BUT.....in neither of his interviews did he divulge he contacted AMA Mike Burkeen about the claim. Harris now has ZERO credibility with me. And him standing there instead of the dad when initiating the claim speaks volumes. I still like the kid, but holy fuck, this Darrick Harris might be ANOTHER GOD DAM VILLAIN in this shitshow!!!!!
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What’s the odds now that Haris put the $ up for Brennan?
Well some kid named kale called in on pulp right after the Luce interview and said that Brennan personally told him that the money wasn’t his and that “someone else” wanted to claim the bike and that he didn’t want anymore beef with Deegan and “you guys” apparently “kale” is a buddy of haidens
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