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plowboy 6/1/2022 1:46pm
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plowboy wrote:
I'll have to wait till I get home after Thunder Valley before I can bitch. So far the coverage has been excellent standing on the fence.Silly
Talon wrote:
I grew up with a “why go see it when you can watch it on tv” dad. Bet your ass when I turned 16 and could...
I grew up with a “why go see it when you can watch it on tv” dad. Bet your ass when I turned 16 and could drive I was all over the place going to races and damn was he wrong. Sure you can see more of the racing (unless it’s Mavtv) but nothing beats being there. I’d rather watch Tomac roost me with dirt with the 50 yards of track I can see, instead of being on my couch.
Damn straight, budWoohoo
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plowboy 6/1/2022 1:47pm
6/1/2022 1:47pm Edited Date/Time 6/1/2022 1:48pm
plowboy wrote:
I'll have to wait till I get home after Thunder Valley before I can bitch. So far the coverage has been excellent standing on the fence.Silly
Rabbit Run 41 wrote:
Fine, dammit, I’ll just have to watch Hangtown live!
I'll be there...just look for the dumbest sumbitch around...I'll be standing next to himSilly Woohoo
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Richy 6/1/2022 1:50pm
6/1/2022 1:50pm Edited Date/Time 6/1/2022 1:52pm
I never understand why that shit is needed even if the aim IS to grow the sport?

If you see a cool sport, or anything else, everyone has a phone and/or internet and everyone has the ability to learn as much or as little as they want to and has immediate access to Google, related websites, forums, the answers are right there to any questions they may have or any info they want.

They can quit trying to dumb everything down and spoon feed people with no negative consequences, it's not super complicated anyway for the most part is it. Just show it and cover it like you would if you were assuming people had been watching for years. Even if they haven't, they'll understand half of it, they'll figure out the next quarter via just watching it and taking it in or from doing their own research, then the last quarter comes with time and familiarity and no 'science of...' segments or 'legends' spiel is gonna shortcut it.

Who watches motocross and think "well shit, I don't understand any of this".
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crowe660 6/1/2022 1:52pm
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Has anyone in a position of power commented other than a vague press release? Buckling up.
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KurtJ99 wrote:
I never fully appreciated MXGP-TV until the Sunday after Pala, but I've made the (duh!) conclusion that MAVTVplus is made for a different audience than MXGP-TV...
I never fully appreciated MXGP-TV until the Sunday after Pala, but I've made the (duh!) conclusion that MAVTVplus is made for a different audience than MXGP-TV

MXGP-TV is made for enthusiasts; it is not trying to grow the sport via media and commercials. Even the brief 15 second commercial when logging on is a moto commercial; not an energy drink or extreme sports corporate commercial trying to bring in the masses. It is priced high (relative to media generalists Peacock or MAVTV), but delivers high value content.

US MX/SX media coverage is geared towards casual fans who are interested in motosports or extreme sports, is offered at a lower price but with either commercials or infomercials. It used to be more geared towards enthusiasts, but has drifted over to the generalized "grow the sport" message where the legends of the sport need to be introduced and whoops explained as being more difficult than flat ground.

I am hoping to a return to sanity this next weekend for MAVTVplus. Thankfully I'll be at Hangtown and don't need to worry.
When the races were shown a week or 2 later in a condensed edited format there was less time to fill. Now there is an hour-15 of racing in a 3 hour sx broadcast, and there's (apparently) no broadcast channel that will run 140 minutes of uninterrupted MX racing in the middle of Saturday. These are really problems created by having live racing on tv.
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BigBoreFan58 6/1/2022 2:43pm
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How about track maps during the race....
Every moto.
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RonSkj 6/1/2022 4:16pm
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crowe660 wrote:
Has anyone in a position of power commented other than a vague press release? Buckling up.
The short answer... No
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Richy wrote:
I never understand why that shit is needed even if the aim IS to grow the sport? If you see a cool sport, or anything else...
I never understand why that shit is needed even if the aim IS to grow the sport?

If you see a cool sport, or anything else, everyone has a phone and/or internet and everyone has the ability to learn as much or as little as they want to and has immediate access to Google, related websites, forums, the answers are right there to any questions they may have or any info they want.

They can quit trying to dumb everything down and spoon feed people with no negative consequences, it's not super complicated anyway for the most part is it. Just show it and cover it like you would if you were assuming people had been watching for years. Even if they haven't, they'll understand half of it, they'll figure out the next quarter via just watching it and taking it in or from doing their own research, then the last quarter comes with time and familiarity and no 'science of...' segments or 'legends' spiel is gonna shortcut it.

Who watches motocross and think "well shit, I don't understand any of this".
The fact that Bondo is still dumbing it down on Mav blows my mind largely because i highly doubt a possible new fan just happened to stumble on motocross by downloading MavTV and selected pro motocross to watch after subscribing.
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Jordan421 6/1/2022 4:45pm
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Not going to lie, a little bummed DC hasn’t given his 2 cent on what went down Saturday. Or did I miss that he did?
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smoothies862 6/1/2022 4:50pm
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I have always thought this as well ritchy. Every sport I’ve learned I just watched learning as I went and paying attention if it was interesting make it cool and exciting they will pick it up quick I don’t think we have to try that hard
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Nathaniel129 6/1/2022 4:56pm
6/1/2022 4:56pm
Jordan421 wrote:
Not going to lie, a little bummed DC hasn’t given his 2 cent on what went down Saturday. Or did I miss that he did?
https://www.instagram.com/p/CeJYLjZrSRp/?igshid=NDBlY2NjN2I=

I understand the expectation for him to post here about it, but at the same time it doesn't matter what he posts, nobody will believe him. He'll just get torn apart.
I'd rather have him focus his energy elsewhere right now, hopefully fixing this fiasco. One more chance, since he DID post about JT publicly.

That said, if the broadcast this weekend isn't DRAMATICALLY better, and he remains mostly silent, those pitchforks are coming out.

He kind of made his bed on this when he was so vocal on here about MAVTV and how the whole thing was going to do. If he had remained silent then, then remaining silent now would be "ok." When you openly discuss the TV/streaming package beforehand, better be available to back it up after it's a tremendous disappointment.
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brocster 6/1/2022 5:12pm
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What a half assed attempt to cover their ass.

MavTv, Live sports production IS YOUR WHEEL HOUSE. Why would you put out a half assed tweet acting like you are flying by the seat of your pants, trying to figure shit out?

I would be fired if I played that dumb on shit I have been doing for years but now just can’t seem to “figure it out”
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Zycki11 6/1/2022 5:12pm
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What casual fan? Watch other Motorsports and you get a different vibe. We are the only ones who continue to do the same production year after...
What casual fan? Watch other Motorsports and you get a different vibe. We are the only ones who continue to do the same production year after year. Cater to those who actually watch the show and understand that the racing is what draws people in. Not the dumb stories or pandering to the “new” audience.
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Then what is the point of even worrying about having it on a TV channel? I'm on team racing. I don't even watch any of the...
Then what is the point of even worrying about having it on a TV channel?

I'm on team racing. I don't even watch any of the other crap on the mx or sx broadcast. The streaming option is a godsend, I watch it when I want, where I want and don't have a monthly cable bill except for the line bringing the internet to my house which is used for way more than watching races.

MAVTV posted a commercial free version of the races in the archive of their app. Hopefully they work out the issues and get that going live this week. It sucks that moto has gone to this second rate TV channel, but MX/SX has been through FOX, NBC, ESPN, OLN, SPEED and they none of them have been chomping to get it back it seems. NBC saw exactly how many streams MX/SX has gotten the past couple years, I wonder if they were impressed?
If you believe that the production quality can’t be better focusing on the racing and then having informative dialect in between the races I have got nothing for you.

Personally, I am of the mindset things can always improve. I see zero reason they can not provide the races without interruption, and in all of that dead time provide the commercials necessary to pay bills as well as producing quality, entertaining and informative viewing.

Regurgitating the same uninspiring show for 10 years is stale, and in my opinion disrespectful. Take some pride in what you do. Provide the best product you can instead of spewing out the same BS and expecting things to be right.
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Nathaniel129 6/1/2022 5:23pm
6/1/2022 5:23pm
Somebody needs to ask Decoster about the broadcast....

"They could be doing better"
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captmoto 6/1/2022 5:52pm
6/1/2022 5:52pm Edited Date/Time 6/1/2022 5:54pm
More here but I'm not sure I see a commitment to provide a premium service to subscribers vs. the standard cable/satellite use.
https://www.motoonline.com/2022/05/31/mavtv-releases-statement-on-fox-r…

MAVTV has released a statement regarding its broadcast problems encountered during the opening round of the 2022 Lucas Oil Pro Motocross Championship, which saw major challenges with the newly-introduced MAVTV Plus streaming platform on Saturday.

Qualifying was placed on the MAVTV Facebook page, rather than the MAVTV Plus application and website that viewers had subscribed to in the lead-up, before all four motos were aired across both Facebook and the American Motocross YouTube account free of charge to ensure fans were able to tune in.

To make matters more complicated, those unscheduled streams were commercial-free, while the official coverage streamed for subscribers – once issues were rectified on the MAVTV Plus platform – included an extensive amount of ads during the motos in line with what is broadcast through the MAVTV Motorsports Network via television providers. The wide expectation is that paying subscribers should receive uninterrupted races without commercials.

“Saturday, the MAVTV Plus website was impacted in a manner unexpected to us which did not meet the quality standard we strove for,” a statement from MAVTV read. “This is not acceptable and we are actively working on solutions to remedy the situation and as we move toward future events. We know this did not provide the best user experience for our fans and we share in your frustration. We sincerely apologise.

“Our goal is to bring you only the best streaming service possible this season. We hear you! We are actively working on a commercial solution which will work best for both the fan experience and sponsor experience. We are true to our fans, the integrity of the racing and value our sponsors who make the sport we all love possible. Our company strives to bring quality products and services and we will continue to work towards bringing a solution to remedy all concerns. Thank you for your loyalty and support of MAVTV Plus.”

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early 6/1/2022 6:16pm
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Zycki11 wrote:
If you believe that the production quality can’t be better focusing on the racing and then having informative dialect in between the races I have got...
If you believe that the production quality can’t be better focusing on the racing and then having informative dialect in between the races I have got nothing for you.

Personally, I am of the mindset things can always improve. I see zero reason they can not provide the races without interruption, and in all of that dead time provide the commercials necessary to pay bills as well as producing quality, entertaining and informative viewing.

Regurgitating the same uninspiring show for 10 years is stale, and in my opinion disrespectful. Take some pride in what you do. Provide the best product you can instead of spewing out the same BS and expecting things to be right.
There's no way you are getting 4 35 minute chunks of TV on saturday afternoon with no commercials. As long as the stream and broadcast feed are the same that's just the way its going to be. In the last 10 years they've gone to more split picture replays, people bitch. New people in the booth, people bitch. $7 a month people bitch.

I think there could be some modernizing of the presentation, but I don't think that's keeping anyone away from watching it.

MavTV posted the Pala races in the archive with no commercials aside from the sponsor plugs. I could do without the sponsor plugs, but again I'll bet that's a TV thing. Hopefully they can get a reliable high quality commercial free livestream going. I'll give them a little more time to work it out.
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Zycki11 6/1/2022 6:20pm
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Zycki11 wrote:
If you believe that the production quality can’t be better focusing on the racing and then having informative dialect in between the races I have got...
If you believe that the production quality can’t be better focusing on the racing and then having informative dialect in between the races I have got nothing for you.

Personally, I am of the mindset things can always improve. I see zero reason they can not provide the races without interruption, and in all of that dead time provide the commercials necessary to pay bills as well as producing quality, entertaining and informative viewing.

Regurgitating the same uninspiring show for 10 years is stale, and in my opinion disrespectful. Take some pride in what you do. Provide the best product you can instead of spewing out the same BS and expecting things to be right.
early wrote:
There's no way you are getting 4 35 minute chunks of TV on saturday afternoon with no commercials. As long as the stream and broadcast feed...
There's no way you are getting 4 35 minute chunks of TV on saturday afternoon with no commercials. As long as the stream and broadcast feed are the same that's just the way its going to be. In the last 10 years they've gone to more split picture replays, people bitch. New people in the booth, people bitch. $7 a month people bitch.

I think there could be some modernizing of the presentation, but I don't think that's keeping anyone away from watching it.

MavTV posted the Pala races in the archive with no commercials aside from the sponsor plugs. I could do without the sponsor plugs, but again I'll bet that's a TV thing. Hopefully they can get a reliable high quality commercial free livestream going. I'll give them a little more time to work it out.
I pay for the subscription, that’s all most real fans care about. Having a commercial filled TV program is different altogether
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CPR 6/1/2022 11:33pm
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What I don’t get is why they treat every moto as a separate broadcast?!
I know why they did it years ago, but it no longer makes any sense.
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Motofinne 6/2/2022 3:20am
6/2/2022 3:20am Edited Date/Time 6/4/2022 9:37am
Boggles my mind that the people in charge of this sport are still so incredibly focused on traditional TV broadcasting. It's a dead format for older people stuck in their ways and not tech-savvy (no offence but that is the truth).

Want to grow the sport? Stream it live for free on YouTube. The fact that these idiots think they'll grow the sport and attract new eyeballs through a commercial filled TV broadcast of the races is a joke.

As for MAV TV+. I'm glad i didn't purchase it yet. And it's a scandal if the paid streaming subscription will contain ads in the future aswell.
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jorgechavez 6/3/2022 5:59pm
6/3/2022 5:59pm
It’s weird that we still can’t get a definitive answer on whether MavTV+ will be commercial free or not but if you go back through their replies on Twitter from last week it appears as though it should be. They even mention that it was said on the Pulp show that it would be commercial free.
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Nathaniel129 6/3/2022 6:13pm
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jorgechavez wrote:
It’s weird that we still can’t get a definitive answer on whether MavTV+ will be commercial free or not but if you go back through their...
It’s weird that we still can’t get a definitive answer on whether MavTV+ will be commercial free or not but if you go back through their replies on Twitter from last week it appears as though it should be. They even mention that it was said on the Pulp show that it would be commercial free.
Maybe I'm overly-optimistic but based on Racerhead it SEEMS the paid stream will be commercial-free. If not totally commercial-free, at least box-in-box, which could be ok or it could be terribly executed.
He also mentioned the features being put in the wrong spot in the broadcast.
I guess at this point tomorrow will be the true test as far as those things go.
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motoclown 6/3/2022 6:36pm
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I believe in the good things coming.....
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fanger 6/4/2022 1:42am
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Boggles my mind that mxgp has it so dialled in terms of classes/rider development/tv package and nobody has thought to copy paste it for the ama series.
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MudPup545 6/4/2022 4:16am
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fanger wrote:
Boggles my mind that mxgp has it so dialled in terms of classes/rider development/tv package and nobody has thought to copy paste it for the ama...
Boggles my mind that mxgp has it so dialled in terms of classes/rider development/tv package and nobody has thought to copy paste it for the ama series.
Stubbornness. Too proud to admit that what they are doing is not working. And as long as the money is rolling in they don’t seem to care. Along the same lines as to why all the prime viewing areas are being fenced off and made into paid VIP areas at Red Bud.
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davis224 6/4/2022 4:42am
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The "nonstop planning for months of every possible scenario" seems a bit rich. I highly doubt there was a giant influx of new viewers to a new paid streaming service. A lot of people saw this coming a mile away with how the app looked months beforehand and the stinky fluff pieces for Mav that danced around the questions we were asking.

Like I said in another thread, I had/have a ton of respect for DC and agree with most everything he's said, but his handling of this leading up to and after Pala has taken a bug chunk out of that. Hope it's much better today.
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mxbigd17 6/4/2022 6:34am
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Let’s not forget about the sub-par picture quality…
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Layton 6/4/2022 6:52am
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Well this doesn’t look good.

I just checked the Mavtv Plus app and it shows the practice coming on today and the post race show but not the actual race. ????

I sure hope this gets straightened out before race time.
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Bineano 6/4/2022 7:27am
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mx196 wrote:
Literally waited until the coverage was over, motos weren’t uploaded, waited three hours, went to bed, then when the motos were up in the morning and...
Literally waited until the coverage was over, motos weren’t uploaded, waited three hours, went to bed, then when the motos were up in the morning and there was a highlight video thumbnail that spoiled the entire fucking thing.

Absolute dogshit. Especially when DC said they’d be uploaded immediately after. I do feel sold low key and there’s zero way this benefits anyone except MX sports. Fans got fucked.

Was there a refresh option I missed or did other people have this problem when trying to watch the replay?
This was my exact experience.
Ended up watching on YouTube (free)
Pretty bummed, I paid to watch the Race, not a spoiler alert.
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Shaned9326 6/4/2022 7:43am
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fanger wrote:
Boggles my mind that mxgp has it so dialled in terms of classes/rider development/tv package and nobody has thought to copy paste it for the ama...
Boggles my mind that mxgp has it so dialled in terms of classes/rider development/tv package and nobody has thought to copy paste it for the ama series.
If the mxgp package gave everyone one free race to watch it would ruin our series as people would be shocked at the difference!! Bad thing is I feel like most of us would be willing to pay a little extra if we could get similar coverage of the actual race and event instead of god knows half the stuff they show us right in the middle of actual races!! Once you do watch a round or two over there it truly makes our production hard as hell to watch IMO!!
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