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PFitzG38 12/9/2021 5:48pm
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Motoxdoc wrote:
Motocrosser’s today are more manly than the cigarette smoking, beer drinking, CZ riding racers of the 50’s, 60’s and 70’s.
EEye do noh........Joel Robert has more manly in his little toe than most of the so called Elite riders of today......just sayn'
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mattyhamz2 wrote:
Why bother? It won’t help them sell any more bikes than they do now. The guys not buying Suzukis now won’t switch just because Suzuki added...
Why bother? It won’t help them sell any more bikes than they do now. The guys not buying Suzukis now won’t switch just because Suzuki added an e-start. The guys not buying Suzuki’s probably still wouldn’t buy them if Suzuki came out with an all new bike including e-start and motor comparable to Yamaha. Their excuse then would be, “Suzuki took to long to get that bike out. It should have been out years ago. They don’t care enough to update their bike in my timeline so I’m not going to support them.”
queen of spodes wrote:
Sure then Suzuki just stops making them. If it's pointless either way...
mattyhamz2 wrote:
They’re doing just fine with being where they are. Would I new bike be nice? Sure. But the old bike is more than enough for 95%...
They’re doing just fine with being where they are. Would I new bike be nice? Sure. But the old bike is more than enough for 95% of the motocross world. They have the cheaper option locked up and it works for them right now. Limited effort and still sell every 250/450 they make while spending the least amount of money to produce them.
Totally agree. The people that scream they are outdated, slow, heavy, blah blah blah go no faster for no longer on their factory editions. Modern Suzuki dirt bikes are not what is keeping you out of the results…
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Yammyam 12/9/2021 6:07pm
12/9/2021 6:07pm Edited Date/Time 12/9/2021 6:10pm
It's already been mentioned, and I'll stay away from name calling considering how sensitive the mods are to these matters, but I think PED use is rampant in the sport. You can tell almost exactly when it started, and things after start making sense. The dominance of certain riders under certain trainers, the intensity level rising, as in guys running their fastest laps at the end of the race, the mysterious illnesses riders keep coming down with (side effects) and of course the very early retirements.
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Stewyeww 12/9/2021 6:35pm
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Yammyam wrote:
It's already been mentioned, and I'll stay away from name calling considering how sensitive the mods are to these matters, but I think PED use is...
It's already been mentioned, and I'll stay away from name calling considering how sensitive the mods are to these matters, but I think PED use is rampant in the sport. You can tell almost exactly when it started, and things after start making sense. The dominance of certain riders under certain trainers, the intensity level rising, as in guys running their fastest laps at the end of the race, the mysterious illnesses riders keep coming down with (side effects) and of course the very early retirements.
Ignorance is Bliss for a lot of us, I believe it is pretty rampant in a lot of sports now days, obviously I have no evidence to back it up because that's part of how PED's work right?
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Yammyam wrote:
It's already been mentioned, and I'll stay away from name calling considering how sensitive the mods are to these matters, but I think PED use is...
It's already been mentioned, and I'll stay away from name calling considering how sensitive the mods are to these matters, but I think PED use is rampant in the sport. You can tell almost exactly when it started, and things after start making sense. The dominance of certain riders under certain trainers, the intensity level rising, as in guys running their fastest laps at the end of the race, the mysterious illnesses riders keep coming down with (side effects) and of course the very early retirements.
Stewyeww wrote:
Ignorance is Bliss for a lot of us, I believe it is pretty rampant in a lot of sports now days, obviously I have no evidence...
Ignorance is Bliss for a lot of us, I believe it is pretty rampant in a lot of sports now days, obviously I have no evidence to back it up because that's part of how PED's work right?
For those that say PEDS make no difference in MX, try them. The difference is very noticeable almost immediately.
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blockhead17 12/9/2021 6:53pm
12/9/2021 6:53pm
The problem with it is, if you can get a TUE then you can take just about anything. I think there needs to be more investigation in to the actual need of the things they are prescribed.
If you have ever tried Aderall, which many riders just simply got the exemption for, you would be blown away by what it does to your focus.
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blockhead17 wrote:
The problem with it is, if you can get a TUE then you can take just about anything. I think there needs to be more investigation...
The problem with it is, if you can get a TUE then you can take just about anything. I think there needs to be more investigation in to the actual need of the things they are prescribed.
If you have ever tried Aderall, which many riders just simply got the exemption for, you would be blown away by what it does to your focus.
JS was robbed of the last few years of his career, so were the fans. We should definitely not adhere to some euro ruling on what is acceptable and what is not. This is a US race series and like it or not, It should be ruled by a US board. Penalties handed out are one thing, but killing a guy’s career is another. That’s not how we should operate. These guys work their whole lives for this. I’m thinking that a little more consideration should be taken when handing out these broad penalties. IMHO
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Motoxdoc 12/9/2021 8:23pm
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Motoxdoc wrote:
Motocrosser’s today are more manly than the cigarette smoking, beer drinking, CZ riding racers of the 50’s, 60’s and 70’s.
PFitzG38 wrote:
EEye do noh........Joel Robert has more manly in his little toe than most of the so called Elite riders of today......just sayn'
You sound like an old man…you must be from Joel’s era…you and Bob Hannah can sit around and talk about how manly men were back when…it was you guys…and a broken pinky finger wouldn’t stop you!Huh
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devindavisphoto 12/9/2021 9:19pm
12/9/2021 9:19pm
bite_the_curb wrote:
jake gagne (motoamerica superbike racer) qualified for the utah national in 2015 in the 450 class didnt get the attention it deserves
Jake was a really fast amateur before switching to superbike stuff so it didn't surprise me Tongue
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bite_the_curb 12/9/2021 9:31pm
12/9/2021 9:31pm
bite_the_curb wrote:
jake gagne (motoamerica superbike racer) qualified for the utah national in 2015 in the 450 class didnt get the attention it deserves
devindavisphoto wrote:
Jake was a really fast amateur before switching to superbike stuff so it didn't surprise me Tongue
yep, i came across some results from some socal am races and he was a top 5 guys amongst ppl like blake bagget

dude has skills for sure

wish more moto guys would give road racing a shot, but tbh..its pretty much dead in the USA @ this point
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ratonmacias 12/9/2021 9:56pm
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I don like ktm s
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TheGetFresh 12/9/2021 10:04pm
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The newest Shoei is the ugliest one of all. Mouthpiece is waaaay too big
You high?
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blockhead17 wrote:
The problem with it is, if you can get a TUE then you can take just about anything. I think there needs to be more investigation...
The problem with it is, if you can get a TUE then you can take just about anything. I think there needs to be more investigation in to the actual need of the things they are prescribed.
If you have ever tried Aderall, which many riders just simply got the exemption for, you would be blown away by what it does to your focus.
SLAPAHO wrote:
JS was robbed of the last few years of his career, so were the fans. We should definitely not adhere to some euro ruling on what...
JS was robbed of the last few years of his career, so were the fans. We should definitely not adhere to some euro ruling on what is acceptable and what is not. This is a US race series and like it or not, It should be ruled by a US board. Penalties handed out are one thing, but killing a guy’s career is another. That’s not how we should operate. These guys work their whole lives for this. I’m thinking that a little more consideration should be taken when handing out these broad penalties. IMHO
In the Whiskey Throttle show J bone said Stew didn’t have a prescription for the adderall. I would go to jail if I were caught without a prescription. He has no one to blame but him.

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kage173 12/10/2021 4:34am
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bite_the_curb wrote:
jake gagne (motoamerica superbike racer) qualified for the utah national in 2015 in the 450 class didnt get the attention it deserves
devindavisphoto wrote:
Jake was a really fast amateur before switching to superbike stuff so it didn't surprise me Tongue
bite_the_curb wrote:
yep, i came across some results from some socal am races and he was a top 5 guys amongst ppl like blake bagget dude has skills...
yep, i came across some results from some socal am races and he was a top 5 guys amongst ppl like blake bagget

dude has skills for sure

wish more moto guys would give road racing a shot, but tbh..its pretty much dead in the USA @ this point
Didn't know that Jake had done that. Pretty impressive. Seems like a lot of road racing guys moto but no moto guys road race. I've never understood that.

I think Colin Edwards now has a motocross training facility in addition to his rr/flattrack place. His son is pretty fast and I think Colin made it to Lorettas back in his day.
bite_the_curb 12/10/2021 6:07am
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ronnie mac isnt funny and the people who think he is are low brow AF
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yz133rider 12/10/2021 7:05am
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My controversial opinion is that there’s far too many classes at the local level and not enough laps.

Not everyone needs a class hand crafted for them.

Once your over 25 a vet should be a vet.

60+a class sure looks a whole lot more like c class than any a class I can think of. And you should probably be in vet c and not in a personally crafted class just for you and 3 of your buddies:


Having 140 different classes with 3 people in them is so lame compared to having fewer classes, longer motos, and more riders to battle with who are close to your speed, regardless of bike age sex etc.

Group by speed and ability not by 17 other identity factors.
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Vital is better off with GuyB out of the picture.
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brocster 12/10/2021 8:06am
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Motoxdoc wrote:
Motocrosser’s today are more manly than the cigarette smoking, beer drinking, CZ riding racers of the 50’s, 60’s and 70’s.
PFitzG38 wrote:
EEye do noh........Joel Robert has more manly in his little toe than most of the so called Elite riders of today......just sayn'
Motoxdoc wrote:
You sound like an old man…you must be from Joel’s era…you and Bob Hannah can sit around and talk about how manly men were back when…it...
You sound like an old man…you must be from Joel’s era…you and Bob Hannah can sit around and talk about how manly men were back when…it was you guys…and a broken pinky finger wouldn’t stop you!Huh
“More manly” is a silly argument. WTF does that even mean??? and how would you quantify it given times have changed???
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yz133rider wrote:
My controversial opinion is that there’s far too many classes at the local level and not enough laps. Not everyone needs a class hand crafted for...
My controversial opinion is that there’s far too many classes at the local level and not enough laps.

Not everyone needs a class hand crafted for them.

Once your over 25 a vet should be a vet.

60+a class sure looks a whole lot more like c class than any a class I can think of. And you should probably be in vet c and not in a personally crafted class just for you and 3 of your buddies:


Having 140 different classes with 3 people in them is so lame compared to having fewer classes, longer motos, and more riders to battle with who are close to your speed, regardless of bike age sex etc.

Group by speed and ability not by 17 other identity factors.
Vet riders are financially floating this sport.

And I ain't paying to keep this sport alive so that I can be landed on by some crazy 15 yr old C rider when I am over 60! haaaaaa
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yz133rider 12/10/2021 8:16am
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yz133rider wrote:
My controversial opinion is that there’s far too many classes at the local level and not enough laps. Not everyone needs a class hand crafted for...
My controversial opinion is that there’s far too many classes at the local level and not enough laps.

Not everyone needs a class hand crafted for them.

Once your over 25 a vet should be a vet.

60+a class sure looks a whole lot more like c class than any a class I can think of. And you should probably be in vet c and not in a personally crafted class just for you and 3 of your buddies:


Having 140 different classes with 3 people in them is so lame compared to having fewer classes, longer motos, and more riders to battle with who are close to your speed, regardless of bike age sex etc.

Group by speed and ability not by 17 other identity factors.
FGR01 wrote:
Vet riders are financially floating this sport. And I ain't paying to keep this sport alive so that I can be landed on by some crazy...
Vet riders are financially floating this sport.

And I ain't paying to keep this sport alive so that I can be landed on by some crazy 15 yr old C rider when I am over 60! haaaaaa
I said vet riders after 25 should just be a vet rider.

I was ran off the track 4 separate times by a 55+ racer last week. He went left to right and right to left chopping off my line before jumps and down steep hills at budds - on a practice day.

Age is not the only factor with riding IQ.

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hanzhonglboy1 12/10/2021 8:19am
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rider41 wrote:
Ronnie Mac is lame. Being a white trash character is completely stupid and low brow.
the character is played out, and the videos havent been funny in awhile, but jimmy has almost 1 million IG followers and almost 400k subscribers to his YT channel. His merch store probably makes him low six figures, minimum. I wold think he makes a better living riding bikes (as ronnie mac) than any non Tomac/ Barcia/ Webb pros make.
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hanzhonglboy1 12/10/2021 8:37am
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Alan Dove wrote:
Electric bikes won't open the sport up to a wider audience, won't allow access to new circuits/trails, and more likely will erode the culture
disagree on the first and last points.

The middle point, I agree with- with a caveat. I think there will be a lag when electric 'takes over,' (which will be a long process that IMO will kick off as soon as the Japan big 4 and ktm get an Alta or better level bike out there) where riding areas open a public policy does not evolve fast enough to keep these Yam/Suz/Ktm Altas out of riding areas under the guise of erosion or the like.

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themrtoad wrote:
RC was on PEDS
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Ricky was a young boy, he had a heart of stone.
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tvo314 12/10/2021 9:01am
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I think most goon riding isn't that funny. Pretty played out.
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kage173 12/10/2021 9:21am
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yz133rider wrote:
My controversial opinion is that there’s far too many classes at the local level and not enough laps. Not everyone needs a class hand crafted for...
My controversial opinion is that there’s far too many classes at the local level and not enough laps.

Not everyone needs a class hand crafted for them.

Once your over 25 a vet should be a vet.

60+a class sure looks a whole lot more like c class than any a class I can think of. And you should probably be in vet c and not in a personally crafted class just for you and 3 of your buddies:


Having 140 different classes with 3 people in them is so lame compared to having fewer classes, longer motos, and more riders to battle with who are close to your speed, regardless of bike age sex etc.

Group by speed and ability not by 17 other identity factors.
FGR01 wrote:
Vet riders are financially floating this sport. And I ain't paying to keep this sport alive so that I can be landed on by some crazy...
Vet riders are financially floating this sport.

And I ain't paying to keep this sport alive so that I can be landed on by some crazy 15 yr old C rider when I am over 60! haaaaaa
yz133rider wrote:
I said vet riders after 25 should just be a vet rider. I was ran off the track 4 separate times by a 55+ racer last...
I said vet riders after 25 should just be a vet rider.

I was ran off the track 4 separate times by a 55+ racer last week. He went left to right and right to left chopping off my line before jumps and down steep hills at budds - on a practice day.

Age is not the only factor with riding IQ.

Shaving the vet classes won't save you. It's the 20 different youth classes. 4-8, 6-8, shaft drive, air cooled, electric, 8-12, 10-12, 10-14. It's all the motodads trying to carve out exactly where their kid fits in. I know because I'm one of those Dads.

I'll tell you what else I'm not into, is having pit bikes race the big track. 110s on a full size track is not the fun or the point of pitbike racing.
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tvo314 wrote:
I think most goon riding isn't that funny. Pretty played out.
What if that's just the way you ride ?
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FGR01 wrote:
Vet riders are financially floating this sport. And I ain't paying to keep this sport alive so that I can be landed on by some crazy...
Vet riders are financially floating this sport.

And I ain't paying to keep this sport alive so that I can be landed on by some crazy 15 yr old C rider when I am over 60! haaaaaa
yz133rider wrote:
I said vet riders after 25 should just be a vet rider. I was ran off the track 4 separate times by a 55+ racer last...
I said vet riders after 25 should just be a vet rider.

I was ran off the track 4 separate times by a 55+ racer last week. He went left to right and right to left chopping off my line before jumps and down steep hills at budds - on a practice day.

Age is not the only factor with riding IQ.

kage173 wrote:
Shaving the vet classes won't save you. It's the 20 different youth classes. 4-8, 6-8, shaft drive, air cooled, electric, 8-12, 10-12, 10-14. It's all the...
Shaving the vet classes won't save you. It's the 20 different youth classes. 4-8, 6-8, shaft drive, air cooled, electric, 8-12, 10-12, 10-14. It's all the motodads trying to carve out exactly where their kid fits in. I know because I'm one of those Dads.

I'll tell you what else I'm not into, is having pit bikes race the big track. 110s on a full size track is not the fun or the point of pitbike racing.
That’s true-

I was blown away at a recent open practice day

The splits were this

A/b
C
Vet
85
65
50
Shaft drive 50s
I think it was 10 minute motos.


The shaft drive 50s were only allowed half the track as I’m guessing they wouldn’t make the steeper hills.
Lunacy. Absolute lunacy:
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Sandusky26 12/10/2021 9:24am
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I go to the races to talk to 50 moms
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tvo314 wrote:
I think most goon riding isn't that funny. Pretty played out.
ATKpilot99 wrote:
What if that's just the way you ride ?
And…have you seen DV goin? It’s hilarious!
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Axell Hodges should be doing every SX Halftime Show. Faces of jumps should never be watered. Removing the hip-gyrating 30-second board girls was a crime against humanity. I’d like to see a CRF TooFiddy WORKS edition. Loud “new country” music blaring at my local motocross races needs to be ceased. New class for racers where their entire gear/kit/ package, cost under $200. The Racer X party in Morgantown should be revived. Lets get the two-strokes involved. Don’t stagger start Vet classes with A Classes. We can only do four (4) laps, not seven (7).




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