Deegan Signs with Star

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10/12/2021 10:04am
dbaker521 wrote:
Star just keeps killing it. Can't wait to see the 30 for 30 on the eventual Star Yamaha downfall.
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What amateur riders do Pro Circuit support on the level of star? Team Green does, but does mitch besides providing motor/suspension work? Star has an established...
What amateur riders do Pro Circuit support on the level of star? Team Green does, but does mitch besides providing motor/suspension work? Star has an established amateur program, is there really any other OEM comparison? Seems KTM orange brigade would be the only thing close and that seems to be focused on more the mini riders.
Preston Boespflug ( a very fast 16 year old PNW kid) just signed to the PC amateur program. I'd assume (I have no inside view) that it's a similar deal - near-factory level gear, training program, exposure to faster pro riders that hopefully mentor him. We will see how he performs in time, right? Just like ever other 15-16 year old in the current crop. Let's check back on this thread in 2025.

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10/12/2021 12:23pm
TunaBro wrote:
His potential is what got him the ride.
gt80rider wrote:
His social influence got him the ride

Fixed it for ya
Is he not one of the best of the current crop moving up to 250Fs? What am do you think should have so clearly got the...
Is he not one of the best of the current crop moving up to 250Fs?

What am do you think should have so clearly got the ride in his place?
His social influence is definitely an asset but all those LL titles are exactly the resume material a top am needs to land a top ride.
There goes OneWheel...gettin' all logical-n-stuff...Grinning

Dude! This is the off-season! Haters are gonna hate.
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10/12/2021 12:58pm
Didn’t see that coming……good for him!
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Where have you been?
Well I get on every couple days but haven’t seen anything about it. Off-season is usually a lot of “hypotheticals” LOL

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Are people really saying that his internet popularity has nothing to do with him being signed? He's a marketing managers dream. His talent and promising future got him signed but his popularity is a close second.
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Are people really saying that his internet popularity has nothing to do with him being signed? He's a marketing managers dream. His talent and promising future...
Are people really saying that his internet popularity has nothing to do with him being signed? He's a marketing managers dream. His talent and promising future got him signed but his popularity is a close second.
Are you really saying that his internet popularity had anything to do with him being signed? I am not a HD mega fan, but you show any factory team his results at majors and he is on a team at this point with social media or not.
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Star just keeps killing it. Can't wait to see the 30 for 30 on the eventual Star Yamaha downfall.
Yeah like this sport is big enough to be on the radar of any documentary...
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What amateur riders do Pro Circuit support on the level of star? Team Green does, but does mitch besides providing motor/suspension work? Star has an established...
What amateur riders do Pro Circuit support on the level of star? Team Green does, but does mitch besides providing motor/suspension work? Star has an established amateur program, is there really any other OEM comparison? Seems KTM orange brigade would be the only thing close and that seems to be focused on more the mini riders.
Preston Boespflug ( a very fast 16 year old PNW kid) just signed to the PC amateur program. I'd assume (I have no inside view) that...
Preston Boespflug ( a very fast 16 year old PNW kid) just signed to the PC amateur program. I'd assume (I have no inside view) that it's a similar deal - near-factory level gear, training program, exposure to faster pro riders that hopefully mentor him. We will see how he performs in time, right? Just like ever other 15-16 year old in the current crop. Let's check back on this thread in 2025.

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Honest question but is he on PC or Team Green? I haven't seen anything about PC amateur team but maybe they are realizing they are losing everyone to star so need to step it up. Any link/PR to this program/signing? Like mentioned with Hymas. Go to HRC and know you will have a path to pro team or go Team Green and hope you don't get injured/something happens where they don't have room for you on PC when you are ready to go pro
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10/12/2021 1:53pm Edited Date/Time 10/12/2021 1:57pm
Are people really saying that his internet popularity has nothing to do with him being signed? He's a marketing managers dream. His talent and promising future...
Are people really saying that his internet popularity has nothing to do with him being signed? He's a marketing managers dream. His talent and promising future got him signed but his popularity is a close second.
Are you really saying that his internet popularity had anything to do with him being signed? I am not a HD mega fan, but you show...
Are you really saying that his internet popularity had anything to do with him being signed? I am not a HD mega fan, but you show any factory team his results at majors and he is on a team at this point with social media or not.
Read what I said. Its not the main reason but its a big factor.

You think Manufactures pay to go racing for fun? They use it as a marketing tool to sell bikes. A very marketable rider is gold to them. Deegan's channel will generate an insane amount clicks and views with Yamaha reaping the benefits.

Again I did not say this is the only reason but it plays a big part in it.

Same reason why Dean Wilson is still on a factory bike and rarely cracks top 10. I like dean and this isn't a stab against him but his marketability and social media following is a big reason why he still is on a factory bike.




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10/12/2021 1:54pm Edited Date/Time 10/12/2021 2:13pm
yak651 wrote:
Honest question but is he on PC or Team Green? I haven't seen anything about PC amateur team but maybe they are realizing they are losing...
Honest question but is he on PC or Team Green? I haven't seen anything about PC amateur team but maybe they are realizing they are losing everyone to star so need to step it up. Any link/PR to this program/signing? Like mentioned with Hymas. Go to HRC and know you will have a path to pro team or go Team Green and hope you don't get injured/something happens where they don't have room for you on PC when you are ready to go pro
https://www.instagram.com/prestonboespflug_28/?hl=en

I don't IG and can't find much else.

I think that any rider has a path thru HRC/PC/Star/etc to the full pro team if they deliver results, staying healthy and focused, being marketable, etc. It's a new world now and the full package is needed. All these youngsters are getting is the best route in - they still have to earn and maintain each higher level they achieve.

There will still be "outsiders" that show up and kick ass without all the advantages. That's getting harder to do I think. But I don't care really. We ride and race for fun. There's no real $$$ to be made except for the rare few.
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Are people really saying that his internet popularity has nothing to do with him being signed? He's a marketing managers dream. His talent and promising future...
Are people really saying that his internet popularity has nothing to do with him being signed? He's a marketing managers dream. His talent and promising future got him signed but his popularity is a close second.
Are you really saying that his internet popularity had anything to do with him being signed? I am not a HD mega fan, but you show...
Are you really saying that his internet popularity had anything to do with him being signed? I am not a HD mega fan, but you show any factory team his results at majors and he is on a team at this point with social media or not.
Read what I said. Its not the main reason but its a big factor. You think Manufactures pay to go racing for fun? They use it...
Read what I said. Its not the main reason but its a big factor.

You think Manufactures pay to go racing for fun? They use it as a marketing tool to sell bikes. A very marketable rider is gold to them. Deegan's channel will generate an insane amount clicks and views with Yamaha reaping the benefits.

Again I did not say this is the only reason but it plays a big part in it.

Same reason why Dean Wilson is still on a factory bike and rarely cracks top 10. I like dean and this isn't a stab against him but his marketability and social media following is a big reason why he still is on a factory bike.




His deal with Star is mostly because of his results and his potential….His personal deal with Monster is because of the social media presence….
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People wondering why he got the ride Tomac to Yamaha video on Racerx channel 160K views in 1week Anderson to Kawasaki video on Racerx channel 32k...
People wondering why he got the ride
Tomac to Yamaha video on Racerx channel 160K views in 1week
Anderson to Kawasaki video on Racerx channel 32k views in 6 days
Deegan to Yamaha video on Deegans channel 350k views in 20 hours

That amount of eyes has gotta help
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Yes the views help to negotiate good contracts. But this is so far from the main reason he got the ride. The kid deserves it, he...
Yes the views help to negotiate good contracts.

But this is so far from the main reason he got the ride.

The kid deserves it, he has earned it, he just got a chance like any top amateurs get the chance to move up. You can't buy talent. You can't buy LL titles or the fact that he has been pretty dominant the last 2 or 3 years. Watch how the amateur scene works or watch his channel to see how many races he won the last 3 years, how he rides SX already, or what kind of program he has. Star racing didn't offer a contract because they were thinking he would just make internet views ; he got enrolled into their program like any top amateurs because they see a potential and think that he has what it takes and that he will be putting the work to win races during his pro career. Nothing less, nothing more.
Absolutely! All of what you said is true..
I'm definitely 'pro' Haiden Deegan and add in that he doesn't really need to do any of it and still probably be a successful YouTube nerd!.
It's impressive drive for a kid that's grown up rich!
I've stumbled onto his vids from time to time (fucken clickbait haha) He's also good with his young fans and seems about as humble as a rich, famous, talented teenager can be.. I'm just waiting for him to be an entitled little shit haha but he seems like a good kid..
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Just watched the ‘intro vid’ and he looks ok on the bike (no surprise there👍), BUT to me why the big rush to get on 250f...
Just watched the ‘intro vid’ and he looks ok on the bike (no surprise there👍), BUT to me why the big rush to get on 250f?? Why not put him on a 125 for a few months and let his body grow while getting used to full sized bike? I mean the KID is only 15, just off supermini
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He did ride a lot of 125's on his SX track, the vids were epic!!
Man how good were they.. Reminded me of just how brutal SX was for 125's haha 100% commitment out of corners heaps of hit and hopes plenty of near misses all while making a beautiful sound haha
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Honest question but is he on PC or Team Green? I haven't seen anything about PC amateur team but maybe they are realizing they are losing...
Honest question but is he on PC or Team Green? I haven't seen anything about PC amateur team but maybe they are realizing they are losing everyone to star so need to step it up. Any link/PR to this program/signing? Like mentioned with Hymas. Go to HRC and know you will have a path to pro team or go Team Green and hope you don't get injured/something happens where they don't have room for you on PC when you are ready to go pro
https://www.instagram.com/prestonboespflug_28/?hl=en I don't IG and can't find much else. I think that any rider has a path thru HRC/PC/Star/etc to the full pro team if they...
https://www.instagram.com/prestonboespflug_28/?hl=en

I don't IG and can't find much else.

I think that any rider has a path thru HRC/PC/Star/etc to the full pro team if they deliver results, staying healthy and focused, being marketable, etc. It's a new world now and the full package is needed. All these youngsters are getting is the best route in - they still have to earn and maintain each higher level they achieve.

There will still be "outsiders" that show up and kick ass without all the advantages. That's getting harder to do I think. But I don't care really. We ride and race for fun. There's no real $$$ to be made except for the rare few.
Good for Preston. Goes to show how much more serious Star takes this and the reason Deegan with multiple PRs out and major outlets like MX Action, Racer X, Vital running with the story of his team switch. This almost has more hits than Eli going to Star (although part of that is everyone knew it all summer so lost it's luster). Pro Circuit could do themselves a favor by getting more info out on their amateur program.
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10/12/2021 3:52pm Edited Date/Time 10/12/2021 3:53pm
Well, when you think about it, racing dirt bikes (and all sports really) is just a form of entertainment driven by advertising.

I come from an ancient time where race results were the only thing that was important. I think that time is over.

Now I guess to sell bikes and all the shit that goes with it you have to be an IG influencer also, so in that respect I guess that whoever has the BDE in social media is the king in this Instagram world, and at this point it's the Deegans.

So I guess it doesn't matter much if Haiden really ever wins a race in the pro's, as long as he has a lot of followers...

Scary thing is that Mark Zuckerberg really rules our world now through his apps...

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10/12/2021 6:08pm
And I hear Enzo Temmerman (14) has also jumped shop from the Orange Brigade and is now signed on with the PC Team Green development team as a 250 prospect.
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I know what you are saying, however, I feel this is a different case. Like them or not the Deegans have the most popular youtube page...
I know what you are saying, however, I feel this is a different case.

Like them or not the Deegans have the most popular youtube page in moto and get more social interaction (between Brian and Haiden) than any pro rider...KTM got more out of his years as an AM than most pros in terms of ROI.

This outdated methodology of professional race performance being the only metric to measure success or failure of a riders contract has to end.
Lol.
Of course the new way of winning has to be judged by how many fans feel you deserve it, not your actual performance.
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A real question. Do you any of you buy a bike because a pro rider rides that bike? Cause that just seems stupid and I would...
A real question.

Do you any of you buy a bike because a pro rider rides that bike?

Cause that just seems stupid and I would wager most of us don’t buy a Honda cause KR or a Kawi cause AC etc…

Star isn’t hiring deegan cause he’ll sell bikes for Yamaha. That’s probably .05% of the equation
I will promise you, Mcgrath sold more YZ85's than you can count
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Are people really saying that his internet popularity has nothing to do with him being signed? He's a marketing managers dream. His talent and promising future...
Are people really saying that his internet popularity has nothing to do with him being signed? He's a marketing managers dream. His talent and promising future got him signed but his popularity is a close second.
Are you really saying that his internet popularity had anything to do with him being signed? I am not a HD mega fan, but you show...
Are you really saying that his internet popularity had anything to do with him being signed? I am not a HD mega fan, but you show any factory team his results at majors and he is on a team at this point with social media or not.
In my opinion he's earned his ride and would've gotten signed with or without his following, just based on his results. That said, I personally feel like he still would've gotten the ride if he was finishing around 5th just because of his following, however that's irrelevant because he's not finishing 5th, he's finishing 1st.
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Sometimes people should really re-read stuff before they hit send. You're telling me that you are shocked that a kid who is 15 years old doesn't...
Sometimes people should really re-read stuff before they hit send.

You're telling me that you are shocked that a kid who is 15 years old doesn't have the speed of a Supercross champion and a 250 outdoor national champion? This just in, water is wet.
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No, I'm not telling anyone I'm "shocked". Don't put words in my mouth. And, Ken Roczen was winning Grand Prix races at 15, so it's not...
No, I'm not telling anyone I'm "shocked".

Don't put words in my mouth.

And, Ken Roczen was winning Grand Prix races at 15, so it's not unheard of.

All I'm saying is that he gets a lot of press for a rider that has yet to see his true potential. I hope he kills it eventually.

There are other riders with his skill and roughy his age level who have a different last name that I don't see a lot of Hoopla about here.
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Ok boomer you clearly have no idea how the media works these days.
Did you really just post "Ok boomer?" Jesus that's corny
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Are people really saying that his internet popularity has nothing to do with him being signed? He's a marketing managers dream. His talent and promising future...
Are people really saying that his internet popularity has nothing to do with him being signed? He's a marketing managers dream. His talent and promising future got him signed but his popularity is a close second.
Are you really saying that his internet popularity had anything to do with him being signed? I am not a HD mega fan, but you show...
Are you really saying that his internet popularity had anything to do with him being signed? I am not a HD mega fan, but you show any factory team his results at majors and he is on a team at this point with social media or not.
Read what I said. Its not the main reason but its a big factor. You think Manufactures pay to go racing for fun? They use it...
Read what I said. Its not the main reason but its a big factor.

You think Manufactures pay to go racing for fun? They use it as a marketing tool to sell bikes. A very marketable rider is gold to them. Deegan's channel will generate an insane amount clicks and views with Yamaha reaping the benefits.

Again I did not say this is the only reason but it plays a big part in it.

Same reason why Dean Wilson is still on a factory bike and rarely cracks top 10. I like dean and this isn't a stab against him but his marketability and social media following is a big reason why he still is on a factory bike.




Such a stupid take I am
Not even going to debate you.
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Jason P. wrote:
Did anyone notice that Haiden was riding the Star 250 from the 2019 season? Wonder when he's going to get the 2022 Star bike!
Star is not letting their new prospect ride a 19’ for his official announcement.. It’s the 21’ amateur bike. Check out Levi Kitchens LL21’ bike, it’s identical.
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Lol.
Of course the new way of winning has to be judged by how many fans feel you deserve it, not your actual performance.
It’s 2021 bro. Everyone deserves everything.
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I will promise you, Mcgrath sold more YZ85's than you can count
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Are you really saying that his internet popularity had anything to do with him being signed? I am not a HD mega fan, but you show...
Are you really saying that his internet popularity had anything to do with him being signed? I am not a HD mega fan, but you show any factory team his results at majors and he is on a team at this point with social media or not.
Read what I said. Its not the main reason but its a big factor. You think Manufactures pay to go racing for fun? They use it...
Read what I said. Its not the main reason but its a big factor.

You think Manufactures pay to go racing for fun? They use it as a marketing tool to sell bikes. A very marketable rider is gold to them. Deegan's channel will generate an insane amount clicks and views with Yamaha reaping the benefits.

Again I did not say this is the only reason but it plays a big part in it.

Same reason why Dean Wilson is still on a factory bike and rarely cracks top 10. I like dean and this isn't a stab against him but his marketability and social media following is a big reason why he still is on a factory bike.




Such a stupid take I am
Not even going to debate you.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KFpBGkRC8ys&t=509s

Maybe this will help you comprehend. Its all about selling bikes.
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Read what I said. Its not the main reason but its a big factor. You think Manufactures pay to go racing for fun? They use it...
Read what I said. Its not the main reason but its a big factor.

You think Manufactures pay to go racing for fun? They use it as a marketing tool to sell bikes. A very marketable rider is gold to them. Deegan's channel will generate an insane amount clicks and views with Yamaha reaping the benefits.

Again I did not say this is the only reason but it plays a big part in it.

Same reason why Dean Wilson is still on a factory bike and rarely cracks top 10. I like dean and this isn't a stab against him but his marketability and social media following is a big reason why he still is on a factory bike.




Such a stupid take I am
Not even going to debate you.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KFpBGkRC8ys&t=509s

Maybe this will help you comprehend. Its all about selling bikes.
Agreed, and if you don't think that kid has sold some orange bikes you must have never been to a race with kids.... I predict a ton of KTM minis for sale and a blue sales will go up as a result of this move. Like him or not Brian Deegan is obviously a marketing genius, I applaud him for what he has built for his kid!!!
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Agreed, and if you don't think that kid has sold some orange bikes you must have never been to a race with kids.... I predict a...
Agreed, and if you don't think that kid has sold some orange bikes you must have never been to a race with kids.... I predict a ton of KTM minis for sale and a blue sales will go up as a result of this move. Like him or not Brian Deegan is obviously a marketing genius, I applaud him for what he has built for his kid!!!
exactly. I don't understand how someone can make an argument against it. The kid has talent and 100% deserves a solid ride. But again... marketability is a huge factor.
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Adam Cianciarulo was as fast or faster than the leaders in the class when he turned professional. he won the first supercross he entered. Haiden Deegan...
Adam Cianciarulo was as fast or faster than the leaders in the class when he turned professional. he won the first supercross he entered.

Haiden Deegan is exceptionally fast and talented, but he is not CURRENTLY even close to the speed of the most of the current regular guys in the class, based on his training times he would not even sniff the top 25 right now (yes, I realize he is only 15). Maybe it was the shitty underpowered KTM he was riding to blame, who knows.

Austin Black, Derek Kelley, Ty Masterpool, or Preston Kilroy would simply level him in a national race if it were held today. Those guys don't get mentioned here at all, and Ty got the short end on his Star Yamaha tryout.

YES he has potential (so do the racers I listed)

YES he has multiple Loretta's titles ( so did Mike Alessi)

YES he is only 15 and has a steep learning curve ahead of him. He could be the next Villopoto, I dont know. BUT I dont know of any rider who got so much from showing so little on the track.

Downvote me all you want, but from my view Yamaha could be buying a social media darling as opposed to a top performer, I hope I'm wrong.

I sure hope he makes me eat my words, because he is a really nice kid.
He has multiple Loretta titles but so did Alessi...

Does that mean you think he is gonna be competing for a championship in his rookie year? Alessi was one of the fastest motocross riders in the world for years. What are you trying to hint at here?
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Man, I know everyone has an option about this but man I can not wait to see the battles next year. These are the races we have been waiting years for. The 250 class is going to be stacked!

Deegan, Romano, Ryder D, Towers, Daxton, Lil Red Dog, Talon.....and many MANY more.
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4 year contracts are almost unheard of, and KTM may have been unwilling to make that kind of commitment.

Deegan earned a contract due to his racing results. His social media presence had to play a role in securing a 4 year deal.

Like him or not, Brian has expertly managed Haiden’s commercial value. All high-profile athletes have a significant number of detractors, and the Deegan’s are not immune from this aspect of sports. I imagine Haiden spends less time wading through negative publicity than other riders.
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