MXoN Mantova: Sunday bench racing

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philG 9/26/2021 11:51am
9/26/2021 11:51am
ayearinmx wrote:
"2.10 Rider Behaviour and Assistance 28. The penalty for gaining an advantage while off course during races will be the loss of the number of positions...
"2.10 Rider Behaviour and Assistance

28. The penalty for gaining an advantage while off course during races will be the loss of the number of positions gained plus one additional position in the final results of the respective race for the rider in question. If no positions were gained, the penalty will be the loss of one position"
shuggs wrote:
Reading that it does not look good for Italy surely???
Looks good for everyone else though... there is no way Lupino does anything from that start if he doesnt leave the track.

Nothing stopping him riding back over the bank he just rode over.
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Finnish_Flash_62 9/26/2021 11:54am
9/26/2021 11:54am
Finnish_Flash_62 wrote:
Just a btw, Finland came through the B final and the boys rode their ass off and got 12th Cool
DeStouwer wrote:
Absolute banger! Do you think they'll be able to go to RedBud? Maybe this great result helps them to get the funding going!
Sure hope they do. Just the experience for the riders would probably be once in a lifetime type of stuff. I went to Thunder Valley to watch in 2010 and the guys were over the moon just to get over there.
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inthebadboycorner 9/26/2021 11:56am
9/26/2021 11:56am
ayearinmx wrote:
Just walked past the FIM offices... That's the Dutch manager and two members of the FIM ... [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2021/09/26/512006/s1200_IMG_20210926_165338.jpg[/img]
Just walked past the FIM offices... That's the Dutch manager and two members of the FIM ...
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Hands in his pocket. Not a look of a team manager who is livid...
That's the ideal place for your hands when you're livid!
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aeffertz 9/26/2021 12:11pm
9/26/2021 12:11pm
Is there a replay of the track cutting incident?

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KONG 9/26/2021 12:50pm
9/26/2021 12:50pm Edited Date/Time 9/26/2021 1:54pm
Blatant cheating.

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Mugeneco 9/26/2021 1:01pm
9/26/2021 1:01pm
ayearinmx wrote:
"2.10 Rider Behaviour and Assistance 28. The penalty for gaining an advantage while off course during races will be the loss of the number of positions...
"2.10 Rider Behaviour and Assistance

28. The penalty for gaining an advantage while off course during races will be the loss of the number of positions gained plus one additional position in the final results of the respective race for the rider in question. If no positions were gained, the penalty will be the loss of one position"
shuggs wrote:
Reading that it does not look good for Italy surely???
philG wrote:
Looks good for everyone else though... there is no way Lupino does anything from that start if he doesnt leave the track. Nothing stopping him riding...
Looks good for everyone else though... there is no way Lupino does anything from that start if he doesnt leave the track.

Nothing stopping him riding back over the bank he just rode over.
Cairoli and Coldenhoff should have done same in moto 1
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Aryen 9/26/2021 1:12pm
9/26/2021 1:12pm
KONG wrote:
Blatant cheating.
Blatant cheating.

I’m really sorry for Italy and Cairoli in particular, but that is just not right.
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motomike137 9/26/2021 2:10pm
9/26/2021 2:10pm
crusty_xx wrote:
Why 7th? He got 17th with the penalty. You think he wouldn't have been able to get to 17th after entering in last? Nagl was pretty...
Why 7th?
He got 17th with the penalty. You think he wouldn't have been able to get to 17th after entering in last?

Nagl was pretty much last after lap 5 (not sure what happened) and got back up to 19th and Lupino was 3-4 seconds a lap faster all race
motomike137 wrote:
We will never know will we? Track cutting that blatantly should be a lap or a dq both in MXGP and US Nationals. Get back on...
We will never know will we? Track cutting that blatantly should be a lap or a dq both in MXGP and US Nationals. Get back on where you went off period.
DeStouwer wrote:
"Get back on where you went off" used to be the rule, but the last 10 years or so, nobody does that anymore. As long as...
"Get back on where you went off" used to be the rule, but the last 10 years or so, nobody does that anymore. As long as you re-enter the track without putting anyone in danger, it's allowed. If you haven't gained anything, you don't get penalised.
Oh I know that and I've never cared for the leniency.
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DeStouwer 9/26/2021 2:47pm
9/26/2021 2:47pm
It's sour now for anyone but the Italians, but it's like Herlings already mentioned before the weekend: "In 20 years nobody will care who raced it or not, or whatever happened. The only thing that will be remembered is who won it."

Profetic words.

Anyhow, regardless of the riders/teams that weren't there, we've witnessed yet another frantic, crazy, beautiful and exciting weekend. Congratiulations to all the riders, mechanics and staff to perform under such wet circumstances (again). Let's cross our fingers for a dry weekend at RedBud!
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Zoer 9/26/2021 3:24pm
9/26/2021 3:24pm
KONG wrote:
Blatant cheating.
Blatant cheating.

So bullshit.
He did it intentionally? Obviously not

And decision on penalty was made during race.
So judges just give a small chance to NL , nothing more
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Kawboy14! 9/26/2021 3:31pm
9/26/2021 3:31pm
So they only won because the U.S. wasn’t there? 😂
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MBR 9/26/2021 4:46pm
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Let's go SUOMI @MBR Tongue
We did it!!! And 12th in A-final (best result since 2008). Thankfully I didn’t find a nice bridge to jump from Laughing
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jeffro503 9/26/2021 5:54pm
9/26/2021 5:54pm
What an incredible race. So happy for team Italy! That 3rd Moto had me on the edge of my seat. It was like watching some suspenseful movie with Lupino flogging around with his head bobbing.....and he fought to the end. Herlings.....just incredible ride , both Motos. And it's awesome to see Tony finally get that big mxon's 1st place trophy. Wish the USA would of been there , but it was still a great event to watch either way.
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Juck 9/26/2021 8:43pm
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Did they? At what race? 1.2 or 3??
Before the first one I think
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Heggo 9/26/2021 10:10pm
9/26/2021 10:10pm
I just want to say thanks for all the comments in here. The atmosphere in here was nearly like being there. people from other countries wanting to see other countries do well and a really good vibe without all the rider bashing. Real moto fans. Hope to make it to Red bud again next year. Drink, laugh, joke with people from many countries. Dress up. Have noise in ears for days because of chain saws and slide down the hill again in the mud. So good!!
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Heggo 9/26/2021 10:12pm
9/26/2021 10:12pm
Last Braaap wrote:
Let's go SUOMI @MBR Tongue
MBR wrote:
We did it!!! And 12th in A-final (best result since 2008). Thankfully I didn’t find a nice bridge to jump from Laughing
Like this. So happy to finish 12th. And others happy for your best result for long time of minor moto nation
kaidodragon 9/26/2021 10:32pm
9/26/2021 10:32pm
Individuals best performances by points

1/ Jeffrey Herlings (1/1)
2/ Ben Watson (3/4)
3/ Rene Hofer (8/3)
4/ Mattia Guadagnini (5/6)
5/ Vsevolod Brylyakov (7/7)
6/ Thomas Kjer Olsen (1/13)
7/ Evgeny Bobryshev (10/5)
8/ Glenn Coldenhoff (15/3)
9/ Shaun Simpson (12/6)
10/ Karlis Sabulis (10/8)
11/ Benoit Paturel (9/11)
12/ Valentin Guillod (2/18)
13/ Isak Gifting (14/8)
14/ Antonio Cairoli (21/2)
15/ Arminas Jasikonis (9/14)
16/ Alessandro Lupino (7/17)
17/ Ken Bengtson (16/10)
18/ Harri Kullas (11/15)
19/ Mathys Boisrame (19/9)
20/ Gert Krestinov (13/16)
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jeffro503 9/26/2021 11:02pm
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Heggo wrote:
I just want to say thanks for all the comments in here. The atmosphere in here was nearly like being there. people from other countries wanting...
I just want to say thanks for all the comments in here. The atmosphere in here was nearly like being there. people from other countries wanting to see other countries do well and a really good vibe without all the rider bashing. Real moto fans. Hope to make it to Red bud again next year. Drink, laugh, joke with people from many countries. Dress up. Have noise in ears for days because of chain saws and slide down the hill again in the mud. So good!!
Love this post. I really wish we had a team that went , but the world still seems a bit nuts. Being an American , I still wasn't going to miss this race. I watched all the qualifying heats , B Main and all 3 main Motos , and I still loved it. I follow the GP's closely and had a lot of favorites out there , and had a lot of fun cheering those guys on.

I hope that one day our American team can get back up there in the mix. But until then , I enjoy watching this event and all the other countries who got a team there to compete. I found myself cheering for certain riders who I admire a bunch , and even though I didn't have " my team " there.....it was ok , and I loved every second of it.
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hubbardmx50 9/26/2021 11:03pm
9/26/2021 11:03pm
I can’t believe Italy won on home turf in Cairoli’s last year. Wow that is so cool for them. Guadagini almost blew it! Also crazy that Russia got fourth! The whole race I was wondering what the heck MFR stood for.
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Heggo 9/27/2021 12:28am
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Heggo wrote:
I just want to say thanks for all the comments in here. The atmosphere in here was nearly like being there. people from other countries wanting...
I just want to say thanks for all the comments in here. The atmosphere in here was nearly like being there. people from other countries wanting to see other countries do well and a really good vibe without all the rider bashing. Real moto fans. Hope to make it to Red bud again next year. Drink, laugh, joke with people from many countries. Dress up. Have noise in ears for days because of chain saws and slide down the hill again in the mud. So good!!
jeffro503 wrote:
Love this post. I really wish we had a team that went , but the world still seems a bit nuts. Being an American , I...
Love this post. I really wish we had a team that went , but the world still seems a bit nuts. Being an American , I still wasn't going to miss this race. I watched all the qualifying heats , B Main and all 3 main Motos , and I still loved it. I follow the GP's closely and had a lot of favorites out there , and had a lot of fun cheering those guys on.

I hope that one day our American team can get back up there in the mix. But until then , I enjoy watching this event and all the other countries who got a team there to compete. I found myself cheering for certain riders who I admire a bunch , and even though I didn't have " my team " there.....it was ok , and I loved every second of it.
USA team is still in the mix. But you got to have luck on your side. Or Luongo 😉🤣 still happy for the win.
Grazie grasso capo 😙
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28hall 9/27/2021 1:00am
9/27/2021 1:00am
No horse in the race this year for us aussies either but man I love this race! I’ve never even heard of sabulas but he ripped 2 amazing starts and rode his heart out! i love how everyone repping their country just sends it whether their skill and/or fitness can handle it or not leaving nothing on the table for one day is truly amazing to watch regardless of who your cheering for.
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tek14 9/27/2021 1:32am
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Only in Italy they will get away from cutting track like that. Too bad winning tastes little hollow as this was one for Cairoli.
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Elliot 9/27/2021 6:03am
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Another angle on Lupino.

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Mavetism 9/27/2021 7:14am
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Elliot wrote:
Another angle on Lupino. [embed][/embed]
Another angle on Lupino.

What the actual fuck.. Remember how italy got disqualified a couple months after Red Bud mxon after fuel tests?
In my opinion that is worse. I don't think I've seen stuff like that before, even Anderson is mild in contrast to that.
I actually rooted for Italy (and Germany of course), but that move is just disgusting.

I do believe Lupino would have made the move towards the top 15 anyways even with a bad start and without cutting the track, but do you guys think getting docked by ten positions makes up for that move?
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Aryen 9/27/2021 7:46am
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Italy should have had Lupino’s race 3 result scratched. My opinion.
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Muscle-Milk-KTM 9/27/2021 7:50am
9/27/2021 7:50am
Aryen wrote:
Italy should have had Lupino’s race 3 result scratched. My opinion.
Never gonna happen when the Italians run the show at an Italian track.
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ATKpilot99 9/27/2021 8:05am
9/27/2021 8:05am
What was the official word on why they let that slide ?
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