Triumph's new race team

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luke11 wrote:
Apparently this has been at thunder valley for a week? [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2021/09/06/508808/s1200_6CE7D64E_BF49_4204_B9A5_7C900A1D9185.jpg[/img]
Apparently this has been at thunder valley for a week?
I'm not sure they'll get that thing through homologation...
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luke11 wrote:
Apparently this has been at thunder valley for a week? [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2021/09/06/508808/s1200_6CE7D64E_BF49_4204_B9A5_7C900A1D9185.jpg[/img]
Apparently this has been at thunder valley for a week?
Jimfunn wrote:
I'm not sure they'll get that thing through homologation...
Maybe a lighter exhaust will do Cool
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Dirtdemon wrote:
On a swedish podcast.

They said that Triumph have been testing BUT with a Suzuki engine.
Test Driver : Ivan Tedesco #9

JGR testtrack ?

A suzi engine? Wtf? They are losing me fast..... what's next, a cannondale chassis???
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I hope triumph knows what they are getting themselves into and have the $ and desire to make a great machine. It took KTM forever to get there.

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Dirtdemon wrote:
On a swedish podcast.

They said that Triumph have been testing BUT with a Suzuki engine.
Test Driver : Ivan Tedesco #9

JGR testtrack ?

gt80rider wrote:
A suzi engine? Wtf? They are losing me fast..... what's next, a cannondale chassis???
Aside from not having a magic button. What’s so wrong with Suzuki engine?
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I HIGHLY doubt they will be using a Suzuki engine.

Not sure if you guys follow sport bike racing/development, but Triumph makes a damn good super bike motor and that has good power and also outstanding durability. And this is up against the giants like Ducati, Aprilia, Yamaha, etc.

They have the know-how to build a potent 250, 350, or 450 MXer no problem.
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ZOBITO wrote:
Maybe I missed it -too many Triumph threads- but I'm kinda surprised I haven't seen any of these famous pix today yet... ;) [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2021/07/20/502367/s1200_3220_steve_mcqueen_1.jpg[/img] [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2021/07/20/502368/s1200_Capture_d_e_cran_2021_07_21_a_00.54.15.jpg[/img] [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2021/07/20/502369/s1200_3209_steve_mac_queen_isdt_1964_..jpg[/img]...
Maybe I missed it -too many Triumph threads- but I'm kinda surprised I haven't seen any of these famous pix today yet...
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[img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2021/07/22/502662/s1200_BD15F8AC_0189_40C7_BE5B_E134D004F8DF.jpg[/img]

Love it! Two of my favorites, Bart (and Donell) and Steve.
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I have one of those jackets.
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Idaho747 wrote:
Aside from not having a magic button. What’s so wrong with Suzuki engine?
So, with all the choices, they are using suzi? Lol at triumph.... they are a mc manufacturer, They should be making their own engine.... something new school and next gen.... not suzi.... good grief, triumph is basically doing the opposite of what they should be... there is a reason none of us currently ride triumph.... they haven't had it truly together for nearly a half century....
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maybe their engine isn't finished and they want to test the chassis and suspension?
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kpiper 9/6/2021 10:25am
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How about this? Remember, RC was Suzuki for many years.

Maybe the bike IS a Suzuki and they are taking the Husky/Gas Gas route that KTM invented.
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mattyhamz2 9/6/2021 12:50pm
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Dirtdemon wrote:
On a swedish podcast.

They said that Triumph have been testing BUT with a Suzuki engine.
Test Driver : Ivan Tedesco #9

JGR testtrack ?

gt80rider wrote:
A suzi engine? Wtf? They are losing me fast..... what's next, a cannondale chassis???
Idaho747 wrote:
Aside from not having a magic button. What’s so wrong with Suzuki engine?
Anyone that’s ever actually ridden one knows there’s nothing wrong with it and probably suits the majority of riders better than most of the other manufacturers engines.
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If Triumph shares the same production plant as KTM (they are right?) then it only makes sense that the new Triumph will be based on a KTM right?
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cappelmans wrote:
If Triumph shares the same production plant as KTM (they are right?) then it only makes sense that the new Triumph will be based on a...
If Triumph shares the same production plant as KTM (they are right?) then it only makes sense that the new Triumph will be based on a KTM right?
keep beating that drum.
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Idaho747 wrote:
Aside from not having a magic button. What’s so wrong with Suzuki engine?
gt80rider wrote:
So, with all the choices, they are using suzi? Lol at triumph.... they are a mc manufacturer, They should be making their own engine.... something new...
So, with all the choices, they are using suzi? Lol at triumph.... they are a mc manufacturer, They should be making their own engine.... something new school and next gen.... not suzi.... good grief, triumph is basically doing the opposite of what they should be... there is a reason none of us currently ride triumph.... they haven't had it truly together for nearly a half century....
Their motors have sucked for decades, right?




If I was chassis testing, waiting for in house motor development, a 'Zuki 450 motor would be just fine in there...
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inthebadboycorner 9/6/2021 4:16pm
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Idaho747 wrote:
Aside from not having a magic button. What’s so wrong with Suzuki engine?
gt80rider wrote:
So, with all the choices, they are using suzi? Lol at triumph.... they are a mc manufacturer, They should be making their own engine.... something new...
So, with all the choices, they are using suzi? Lol at triumph.... they are a mc manufacturer, They should be making their own engine.... something new school and next gen.... not suzi.... good grief, triumph is basically doing the opposite of what they should be... there is a reason none of us currently ride triumph.... they haven't had it truly together for nearly a half century....
Press516 wrote:
Their motors have sucked for decades, right? [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2021/09/06/508858/s1200_zuki.jpg[/img] If I was chassis testing, waiting for in house motor development, a 'Zuki 450 motor would be just...
Their motors have sucked for decades, right?




If I was chassis testing, waiting for in house motor development, a 'Zuki 450 motor would be just fine in there...
Makes sense, especially if Suzuki wrer to have a new modern 450 motor in the pipeline soon.
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Testing bike with heaviest and oldest 450f motor doesnt make sense. If they want to be in 2022 not in 2012 they should have taken KTM engine.
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tek14 wrote:
Testing bike with heaviest and oldest 450f motor doesnt make sense. If they want to be in 2022 not in 2012 they should have taken KTM...
Testing bike with heaviest and oldest 450f motor doesnt make sense. If they want to be in 2022 not in 2012 they should have taken KTM engine.
Maybe.......just maybe the actual physical dimensions of the Suzuki work better and more closely match the Triumph frame. Do you actually think you know more than the Triumph engineers what they should do?
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Alan Dove 9/7/2021 5:05am
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If you're testing durability of components and that kind of thing, you can throw any half decent motor in you like. It's cheaper than testing with an in-house development engine that might not be reliable and that'll need its own reliability testing. You need a known quantity that you can smash the miles on with any new chassis build. It wouldn't surprise me if they used a bike from another manufacturer to pound miles with testing their own motor (if that's the route they are actually going in).

Suzuki might just be the closest from a dimensional point of view hence why they might be using them. No need for over analysis of what appears to be an unconfirmed rumour.

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If they are testing without a bespoke new engine, they are WAY behind the curve.
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Alan Dove 9/7/2021 6:40am
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Johnny Depp wrote:
If they are testing without a bespoke new engine, they are WAY behind the curve.
Testing a chassis with a known quantity is not really abnormal, certainly if looking at durability and that kind of thing. It's probably quite sensible form a financial perspective and means you can start testing earlier. Dirt bike engines are largely homogeneous anyway. Throwing in a suzuki 450 probably isn't a big deal at all. They might be testing their own motor in a standard suzuki frame too for all we know. Again, for durability and that kind oft hing. If you can test things in isolation without worry about other prototype components all the better. You could have a component failure on a proto chassis and lose a day's running with your proto engine. So having a stock Suzuki or whatever where you know 95% it'll stay together all day, and same with the engine, might be smart.

I am also sure they are probably at a stage of testing the full bike anyway now. One presumes anyway

Some on here hear a rumour and just over react to what is a rumour. It really isn't that big a deal.
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tek14 wrote:
Testing bike with heaviest and oldest 450f motor doesnt make sense. If they want to be in 2022 not in 2012 they should have taken KTM...
Testing bike with heaviest and oldest 450f motor doesnt make sense. If they want to be in 2022 not in 2012 they should have taken KTM engine.
So, who's to say they arent in bed with Suzuki? It's no secret Suzuki isnt interested in further developing their motocross bikes. What if Triumph worked a deal to partner, develop Suzuki's current line and share info?
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tek14 wrote:
Testing bike with heaviest and oldest 450f motor doesnt make sense. If they want to be in 2022 not in 2012 they should have taken KTM...
Testing bike with heaviest and oldest 450f motor doesnt make sense. If they want to be in 2022 not in 2012 they should have taken KTM engine.
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So, who's to say they arent in bed with Suzuki? It's no secret Suzuki isnt interested in further developing their motocross bikes. What if Triumph worked...
So, who's to say they arent in bed with Suzuki? It's no secret Suzuki isnt interested in further developing their motocross bikes. What if Triumph worked a deal to partner, develop Suzuki's current line and share info?
That might be the worst marketing concept for an MX/enduro bike I could think of. Take the lowest selling, last in tests bike and re-brand it.
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sandhills 9/7/2021 7:46am
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If there is a Suzuki engineering partnership then the Carmichael deal makes even more sense.

It's not like any of the new big 4 were going to help Triumph and Suzuki has basically this entire mothballed racing and development apparatus just sitting there, complete with a champion spokesperson.

Starting where Suzuki left off is a huge lead over starting from scratch. It's not as exciting but it makes perfect sense.
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Johnny Depp 9/7/2021 7:55am
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The Triumph debacle continues. A proper press release would quell all wild speculation.
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Iridereallyslow 9/7/2021 8:02am
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Johnny Depp wrote:
The Triumph debacle continues. A proper press release would quell all wild speculation.
The press release says “all new” and “triumph engineering”. Yet people keep saying suzuki or KTM.
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It might put them ahead a bit using the Suzuki engine while theirs is being built. They could have the chassis close to sorted and then plug in their engine when it's ready.
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Dirty Points 9/7/2021 8:37am
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Johnny Depp wrote:
The Triumph debacle continues. A proper press release would quell all wild speculation.
LOL.

"debacle"
"quell"

This forum is just wild speculation.
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Alan Dove 9/7/2021 8:39am
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It should be reminded that Triumph are looking to compete with a race team right? I am not sure they really need to bother revealing too much to the world other than "we're racing and building a bike".
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Johnny Depp wrote:
The Triumph debacle continues. A proper press release would quell all wild speculation.
It's only a debacle to you.

You have absolutely no idea what is going on with the Triumph yet you think they are doing it wrong.

As it stands right now it is the absolute best time in dirt bike history. If Triumph makes a turd it will not really affect any of this reading this forum. On the other hand if they make an amazing bike we will all have a choice of another brand to ride. Why piss and moan about something that will make your moto life either the same or better?
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