I don't like the TV production

yzf162 wrote:

What i find funny and sad is people had to be explained to what the silence for 10-30 seconds were let alone why they were not...

What i find funny and sad is people had to be explained to what the silence for 10-30 seconds were let alone why they were not talking about barcias moment. I hought it was self explanatory. Overall i like the commentating it could be a little less geared towards newbies sometimes. Yeah 2nd moto was a bit rough but you win some you lose some. I enjoyed in qualifying gl talking about suspension changes. One thing if i could change that would help a ton for tv broadcast not peacock would be tape delay by 30 minutes and shorten the show to 2.5 hrs total. Biggest gripe i get from newbies and casual watchers is its to fucking long between motos no one gives a shit about all the fluff. Put the fluff shit on a small box in a corner. Tape delay 30 minutes to a hour and cut the production. Would save money as well.

sumdood wrote:

How about Barcias swappy jalopy banzai pass on Webb, I was like “Whoah shit..... oh fuck yeah wooo!” and the announcers didn’t even acknowledge until the...

How about Barcias swappy jalopy banzai pass on Webb, I was like “Whoah shit..... oh fuck yeah wooo!” and the announcers didn’t even acknowledge until the replay, not sure what screen they were looking at ? I forget what they were talking about when that happened, since were calling them out and all haha

Weege wrote:

What you actually saw there was a pass happening at the EXACT time we were coming off of commercial break on TV. When you watch on...

What you actually saw there was a pass happening at the EXACT time we were coming off of commercial break on TV. When you watch on Peacock you get to see the action during commercials, but during the final 10 seconds coming back from the TV commercial break, on Peacock we have to be silent so it will make for a clean edit/audio when we rejoin the TV broadcast. Note that about 3 seconds after Barcia makes the pass you hear the "whoosh" sound and the NBCSN logo pops up on the screen. Bad timing there but nothing we can do about it, I'm staring at the screen wanting to say something about the pass but we can't do it. Trust me, we saw it as it happened.

When you watch on Peacock you will hear 10 second audio breaks a few times per moto. That's when the commercial is ending for the TV broadcast and we're rejoining the TV show.

Weege wrote:

What you actually saw there was a pass happening at the EXACT time we were coming off of commercial break on TV. When you watch on...

What you actually saw there was a pass happening at the EXACT time we were coming off of commercial break on TV. When you watch on Peacock you get to see the action during commercials, but during the final 10 seconds coming back from the TV commercial break, on Peacock we have to be silent so it will make for a clean edit/audio when we rejoin the TV broadcast. Note that about 3 seconds after Barcia makes the pass you hear the "whoosh" sound and the NBCSN logo pops up on the screen. Bad timing there but nothing we can do about it, I'm staring at the screen wanting to say something about the pass but we can't do it. Trust me, we saw it as it happened.

When you watch on Peacock you will hear 10 second audio breaks a few times per moto. That's when the commercial is ending for the TV broadcast and we're rejoining the TV show.

ridge wrote:

Weege, do you understand our frustration (I'm not talking about the pass on Barcia)? I really enjoy everything you put out, except when you are calling...

Weege, do you understand our frustration (I'm not talking about the pass on Barcia)?

I really enjoy everything you put out, except when you are calling the races. The difference is, when you do all of your other videos, interviews, etc, you show your immense knowledge of the sport - and you sound like a motherfucking boss. You put out solid content for the core fans and we appreciate that because we recognize that you are a true fan like us.

When you call the races, you go into "bring in new fans" mode, probably at the direction of some goon who doesn't have a quarter of your knowledge (about the sport). Please stop it if you can! New fans are not carrying this sport, we are!

This isn't NASCAR. The races don't last as long as a War And Peace reading by Joe Biden from a teleprompter. There isn't time to use the NASCAR broadcast model.

Your job as a commentator is to call the action on the track for FANS who cannot be there. If newbs don't understand something, they can Google it and get linked to the experts at Vital. UFC seems to be doing pretty good and we don't see Joe explaining to new fans that it hurts to get punched in the face...we don't see UFC asking its fighters who their biggest crush is or which prison they'd like to be incarcerated at if they weren't beating people up in the ring.

If you're going to continue to aim these broadcasts at first time viewers and/or women, maybe remove the live timing screen so nobody can see what action we are missing while watching a guy cruise at 80%. Side note: I'd rather watch a struggling privateer barely hanging on with his tongue on the floor while you and Grant use him as a bad example of training. Now that would be dramatic. Anyway, I think home videos of the riders playing with their pets would be HUGE...maybe split screen that shit all race long.

Weege, now that you hate me, just know I have the utmost confidence in you and Grant to pull off the best broadcasts we've seen in years, maybe ever. I wrote all of this hoping the people calling the shots might see it. I often wonder if you feel the same way but you have to grin and bear it.

NV825 wrote:

I give the production team a lot leeway when I watch, I’m sure it’s hectic in real time. But not realizing Tomac just made a massive...

I give the production team a lot leeway when I watch, I’m sure it’s hectic in real time. But not realizing Tomac just made a massive cut into Roczen’s lead with live timing and not going straight to that action was really bad. Missing Tomac crossing the finish line was the cherry on top.

NV825 wrote:

I give the production team a lot leeway when I watch, I’m sure it’s hectic in real time. But not realizing Tomac just made a massive...

I give the production team a lot leeway when I watch, I’m sure it’s hectic in real time. But not realizing Tomac just made a massive cut into Roczen’s lead with live timing and not going straight to that action was really bad. Missing Tomac crossing the finish line was the cherry on top.

Daf57 wrote:

@Weege, I always appreciate your participation here on this forum. You've commented on several points raised in the thread EXCEPT the original, and most glaring. Would...

@Weege, I always appreciate your participation here on this forum. You've commented on several points raised in the thread EXCEPT the original, and most glaring. Would you please explain to us how such a terrible production decision comes to pass?

Thanks

Talisker wrote:

I could bitch and complain. Watching the races live is way better than waiting a week like in the 90’s. Better yet, it’s better than reading...

I could bitch and complain. Watching the races live is way better than waiting a week like in the 90’s. Better yet, it’s better than reading the winners in cycle news.

Weege wrote:

What you actually saw there was a pass happening at the EXACT time we were coming off of commercial break on TV. When you watch on...

What you actually saw there was a pass happening at the EXACT time we were coming off of commercial break on TV. When you watch on Peacock you get to see the action during commercials, but during the final 10 seconds coming back from the TV commercial break, on Peacock we have to be silent so it will make for a clean edit/audio when we rejoin the TV broadcast. Note that about 3 seconds after Barcia makes the pass you hear the "whoosh" sound and the NBCSN logo pops up on the screen. Bad timing there but nothing we can do about it, I'm staring at the screen wanting to say something about the pass but we can't do it. Trust me, we saw it as it happened.

When you watch on Peacock you will hear 10 second audio breaks a few times per moto. That's when the commercial is ending for the TV broadcast and we're rejoining the TV show.

ridge wrote:

Weege, do you understand our frustration (I'm not talking about the pass on Barcia)? I really enjoy everything you put out, except when you are calling...

Weege, do you understand our frustration (I'm not talking about the pass on Barcia)?

I really enjoy everything you put out, except when you are calling the races. The difference is, when you do all of your other videos, interviews, etc, you show your immense knowledge of the sport - and you sound like a motherfucking boss. You put out solid content for the core fans and we appreciate that because we recognize that you are a true fan like us.

When you call the races, you go into "bring in new fans" mode, probably at the direction of some goon who doesn't have a quarter of your knowledge (about the sport). Please stop it if you can! New fans are not carrying this sport, we are!

This isn't NASCAR. The races don't last as long as a War And Peace reading by Joe Biden from a teleprompter. There isn't time to use the NASCAR broadcast model.

Your job as a commentator is to call the action on the track for FANS who cannot be there. If newbs don't understand something, they can Google it and get linked to the experts at Vital. UFC seems to be doing pretty good and we don't see Joe explaining to new fans that it hurts to get punched in the face...we don't see UFC asking its fighters who their biggest crush is or which prison they'd like to be incarcerated at if they weren't beating people up in the ring.

If you're going to continue to aim these broadcasts at first time viewers and/or women, maybe remove the live timing screen so nobody can see what action we are missing while watching a guy cruise at 80%. Side note: I'd rather watch a struggling privateer barely hanging on with his tongue on the floor while you and Grant use him as a bad example of training. Now that would be dramatic. Anyway, I think home videos of the riders playing with their pets would be HUGE...maybe split screen that shit all race long.

Weege, now that you hate me, just know I have the utmost confidence in you and Grant to pull off the best broadcasts we've seen in years, maybe ever. I wrote all of this hoping the people calling the shots might see it. I often wonder if you feel the same way but you have to grin and bear it.

Weege wrote:

You are absolutely correct, on TV it's not my job to break down riding styles, bike setup, etc. Seriously, if I go too deep there will...

You are absolutely correct, on TV it's not my job to break down riding styles, bike setup, etc. Seriously, if I go too deep there will be a vital thread that says "WTH Weege has never won a title what does he know???" GL can handle that, but there's not much time for analysis when action is happening all around. There are a thousand other sources out there for that info, many of which I'm involved with, and even here on Vital (pit bits!). Our post race podcast is probably as deep insider as it gets. I understand if you're the hardcore fan you want the hardest core show, but not every person watching is actually that hardcore. So we try to appeal to both. If you want the really insider stuff, you know where to find it. I believe this to be true of any sport--I listen to NBA podcasts where they break down defensive schemes and analytics and lineups. They never go that deep on the TV broadcast.

We don't change anything as far as how we do Moto 1 and Moto 2. We just change the graphics for a different network (MAV and NBCSN). We don't have a different philosophy or storytelling goals or anything like that. As for repeating stuff from the first set of motos and the second, remember moto 1s air on MavTV and second motos are on NBCSN. Some people are only seeing one set of motos or the other. I can't count on someone watching on NBCSN having watched on MAV and already knowing I said JMart had injuries. Also....remember it's the KTM keys to the motos and the MX vs ATV track map etc etc. Hint hint....

Finally, I can't even fully subscribe to the "we are never going to bring in new viewers" idea. It's never going to be massive jumps in ratings or fanbase, but I do believe we have to try to do whatever we can for the better of the overall motorcycle racing world. That's one of the main reasons to spend as much money as gets spent to put this stuff on TV. The bigger the sport gets, the more money in the pits, which means more rides for more riders. A lot more factory rides that pay real money in the pits today than 30 years ago. In 1991 there wasn't a single factory team with an outside sponsor. IIt's a tough balance for sure, but it's also a balance every sport uses on TV--definitely not just here.

Thanks folks.

Crush wrote:

Tomac is taking huge chunks out of Kenny's lead and these dickheads are watching Ferrandis ride around by himself.

How many fuckin times. Seriously.

Weege wrote:

What you actually saw there was a pass happening at the EXACT time we were coming off of commercial break on TV. When you watch on...

What you actually saw there was a pass happening at the EXACT time we were coming off of commercial break on TV. When you watch on Peacock you get to see the action during commercials, but during the final 10 seconds coming back from the TV commercial break, on Peacock we have to be silent so it will make for a clean edit/audio when we rejoin the TV broadcast. Note that about 3 seconds after Barcia makes the pass you hear the "whoosh" sound and the NBCSN logo pops up on the screen. Bad timing there but nothing we can do about it, I'm staring at the screen wanting to say something about the pass but we can't do it. Trust me, we saw it as it happened.

When you watch on Peacock you will hear 10 second audio breaks a few times per moto. That's when the commercial is ending for the TV broadcast and we're rejoining the TV show.

ridge wrote:

Weege, do you understand our frustration (I'm not talking about the pass on Barcia)? I really enjoy everything you put out, except when you are calling...

Weege, do you understand our frustration (I'm not talking about the pass on Barcia)?

I really enjoy everything you put out, except when you are calling the races. The difference is, when you do all of your other videos, interviews, etc, you show your immense knowledge of the sport - and you sound like a motherfucking boss. You put out solid content for the core fans and we appreciate that because we recognize that you are a true fan like us.

When you call the races, you go into "bring in new fans" mode, probably at the direction of some goon who doesn't have a quarter of your knowledge (about the sport). Please stop it if you can! New fans are not carrying this sport, we are!

This isn't NASCAR. The races don't last as long as a War And Peace reading by Joe Biden from a teleprompter. There isn't time to use the NASCAR broadcast model.

Your job as a commentator is to call the action on the track for FANS who cannot be there. If newbs don't understand something, they can Google it and get linked to the experts at Vital. UFC seems to be doing pretty good and we don't see Joe explaining to new fans that it hurts to get punched in the face...we don't see UFC asking its fighters who their biggest crush is or which prison they'd like to be incarcerated at if they weren't beating people up in the ring.

If you're going to continue to aim these broadcasts at first time viewers and/or women, maybe remove the live timing screen so nobody can see what action we are missing while watching a guy cruise at 80%. Side note: I'd rather watch a struggling privateer barely hanging on with his tongue on the floor while you and Grant use him as a bad example of training. Now that would be dramatic. Anyway, I think home videos of the riders playing with their pets would be HUGE...maybe split screen that shit all race long.

Weege, now that you hate me, just know I have the utmost confidence in you and Grant to pull off the best broadcasts we've seen in years, maybe ever. I wrote all of this hoping the people calling the shots might see it. I often wonder if you feel the same way but you have to grin and bear it.

Weege wrote:

You are absolutely correct, on TV it's not my job to break down riding styles, bike setup, etc. Seriously, if I go too deep there will...

You are absolutely correct, on TV it's not my job to break down riding styles, bike setup, etc. Seriously, if I go too deep there will be a vital thread that says "WTH Weege has never won a title what does he know???" GL can handle that, but there's not much time for analysis when action is happening all around. There are a thousand other sources out there for that info, many of which I'm involved with, and even here on Vital (pit bits!). Our post race podcast is probably as deep insider as it gets. I understand if you're the hardcore fan you want the hardest core show, but not every person watching is actually that hardcore. So we try to appeal to both. If you want the really insider stuff, you know where to find it. I believe this to be true of any sport--I listen to NBA podcasts where they break down defensive schemes and analytics and lineups. They never go that deep on the TV broadcast.

We don't change anything as far as how we do Moto 1 and Moto 2. We just change the graphics for a different network (MAV and NBCSN). We don't have a different philosophy or storytelling goals or anything like that. As for repeating stuff from the first set of motos and the second, remember moto 1s air on MavTV and second motos are on NBCSN. Some people are only seeing one set of motos or the other. I can't count on someone watching on NBCSN having watched on MAV and already knowing I said JMart had injuries. Also....remember it's the KTM keys to the motos and the MX vs ATV track map etc etc. Hint hint....

Finally, I can't even fully subscribe to the "we are never going to bring in new viewers" idea. It's never going to be massive jumps in ratings or fanbase, but I do believe we have to try to do whatever we can for the better of the overall motorcycle racing world. That's one of the main reasons to spend as much money as gets spent to put this stuff on TV. The bigger the sport gets, the more money in the pits, which means more rides for more riders. A lot more factory rides that pay real money in the pits today than 30 years ago. In 1991 there wasn't a single factory team with an outside sponsor. IIt's a tough balance for sure, but it's also a balance every sport uses on TV--definitely not just here.

Thanks folks.

Bruce372 wrote:

Keep up the great commentating and youtubes Weege, and please don't feel the need to justify yourself to this bunch who are never happy or satisfied...

Keep up the great commentating and youtubes Weege, and please don't feel the need to justify yourself to this bunch who are never happy or satisfied.

If you were replaced with JLo commentating naked, half these guys would say her ass is too big and the other half would say it's too small.

Weege wrote:

What you actually saw there was a pass happening at the EXACT time we were coming off of commercial break on TV. When you watch on...

What you actually saw there was a pass happening at the EXACT time we were coming off of commercial break on TV. When you watch on Peacock you get to see the action during commercials, but during the final 10 seconds coming back from the TV commercial break, on Peacock we have to be silent so it will make for a clean edit/audio when we rejoin the TV broadcast. Note that about 3 seconds after Barcia makes the pass you hear the "whoosh" sound and the NBCSN logo pops up on the screen. Bad timing there but nothing we can do about it, I'm staring at the screen wanting to say something about the pass but we can't do it. Trust me, we saw it as it happened.

When you watch on Peacock you will hear 10 second audio breaks a few times per moto. That's when the commercial is ending for the TV broadcast and we're rejoining the TV show.

ridge wrote:

Weege, do you understand our frustration (I'm not talking about the pass on Barcia)? I really enjoy everything you put out, except when you are calling...

Weege, do you understand our frustration (I'm not talking about the pass on Barcia)?

I really enjoy everything you put out, except when you are calling the races. The difference is, when you do all of your other videos, interviews, etc, you show your immense knowledge of the sport - and you sound like a motherfucking boss. You put out solid content for the core fans and we appreciate that because we recognize that you are a true fan like us.

When you call the races, you go into "bring in new fans" mode, probably at the direction of some goon who doesn't have a quarter of your knowledge (about the sport). Please stop it if you can! New fans are not carrying this sport, we are!

This isn't NASCAR. The races don't last as long as a War And Peace reading by Joe Biden from a teleprompter. There isn't time to use the NASCAR broadcast model.

Your job as a commentator is to call the action on the track for FANS who cannot be there. If newbs don't understand something, they can Google it and get linked to the experts at Vital. UFC seems to be doing pretty good and we don't see Joe explaining to new fans that it hurts to get punched in the face...we don't see UFC asking its fighters who their biggest crush is or which prison they'd like to be incarcerated at if they weren't beating people up in the ring.

If you're going to continue to aim these broadcasts at first time viewers and/or women, maybe remove the live timing screen so nobody can see what action we are missing while watching a guy cruise at 80%. Side note: I'd rather watch a struggling privateer barely hanging on with his tongue on the floor while you and Grant use him as a bad example of training. Now that would be dramatic. Anyway, I think home videos of the riders playing with their pets would be HUGE...maybe split screen that shit all race long.

Weege, now that you hate me, just know I have the utmost confidence in you and Grant to pull off the best broadcasts we've seen in years, maybe ever. I wrote all of this hoping the people calling the shots might see it. I often wonder if you feel the same way but you have to grin and bear it.

Weege wrote:

You are absolutely correct, on TV it's not my job to break down riding styles, bike setup, etc. Seriously, if I go too deep there will...

You are absolutely correct, on TV it's not my job to break down riding styles, bike setup, etc. Seriously, if I go too deep there will be a vital thread that says "WTH Weege has never won a title what does he know???" GL can handle that, but there's not much time for analysis when action is happening all around. There are a thousand other sources out there for that info, many of which I'm involved with, and even here on Vital (pit bits!). Our post race podcast is probably as deep insider as it gets. I understand if you're the hardcore fan you want the hardest core show, but not every person watching is actually that hardcore. So we try to appeal to both. If you want the really insider stuff, you know where to find it. I believe this to be true of any sport--I listen to NBA podcasts where they break down defensive schemes and analytics and lineups. They never go that deep on the TV broadcast.

We don't change anything as far as how we do Moto 1 and Moto 2. We just change the graphics for a different network (MAV and NBCSN). We don't have a different philosophy or storytelling goals or anything like that. As for repeating stuff from the first set of motos and the second, remember moto 1s air on MavTV and second motos are on NBCSN. Some people are only seeing one set of motos or the other. I can't count on someone watching on NBCSN having watched on MAV and already knowing I said JMart had injuries. Also....remember it's the KTM keys to the motos and the MX vs ATV track map etc etc. Hint hint....

Finally, I can't even fully subscribe to the "we are never going to bring in new viewers" idea. It's never going to be massive jumps in ratings or fanbase, but I do believe we have to try to do whatever we can for the better of the overall motorcycle racing world. That's one of the main reasons to spend as much money as gets spent to put this stuff on TV. The bigger the sport gets, the more money in the pits, which means more rides for more riders. A lot more factory rides that pay real money in the pits today than 30 years ago. In 1991 there wasn't a single factory team with an outside sponsor. IIt's a tough balance for sure, but it's also a balance every sport uses on TV--definitely not just here.

Thanks folks.

Talisker wrote:

I could bitch and complain. Watching the races live is way better than waiting a week like in the 90’s. Better yet, it’s better than reading...

I could bitch and complain. Watching the races live is way better than waiting a week like in the 90’s. Better yet, it’s better than reading the winners in cycle news.