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Secondly, The good ole boys club needs to end if we truly want to move forward. You want professional results, put professional in place not Harry Dickbeard from Rusty Spoke Raceway.
There's only ONE question that needs answering and should help create a "fix" fr this type of insane mis-hap:
How was the race ALLOWED TO PROGRESS all the way BACK TO THE FALLEN RIDER & MEDICAL CREW?!
Period.
Like many of you...many of us...I'm actually kinda pissed about this. After watching the replay, I see that the riders were forced into the line around the outside of that turn/around A-Mart and the Med-Crew. That's complete INSANITY.
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I never once was concerned for my safety when attending to a down rider. The AMA flaggers I worked with all raced moto at one point in their life and understood racing lines. They understood how a rider enters a turn affects where they exit a turn and where that rider will eventually end up at the end of the next lane. This would allow GOOD flaggers to adjust the line choice well before the down rider thus keeping the flow of riders moving away from medical crew.
We had a great working relationship and I trusted them with my life.
When I worked the races and a rider went down I made sure to watch what was happening on the track and try to radio if needed to the medical person moving to the down rider what was happening on the track. "Go after rider number 22" "You have 50 seconds before the lead pack comes around" "Not a safe part of track, move rider quickly if possible"
This issue that occurred on the track falls squarely on the leadership of the A-Stars medical team.
One for not making sure the medical person understood how and when to enter the track.
Two if this was the first time covering a PROFESSIONAL SX race that person should have been stuck to an experienced A-Stars staff member and not left alone.
Three for not communicating to the medical person prior to entering the track that riders were coming.
I don't know whats going on over there at the A-Stars rig but as someone pointed out that's three close calls for the medic team in 8 races.
YOU GUYS ARE BETTER THAN THIS!! OUR REPUTATION IS ON THE LINE
The standards that we set for safety when we started this program where extremely high for a reason.
Not sure it should be two way. But if there is a red flag I do not see why the AMA could not be telling the riders.
There should have been more red flags, not just the finish line. Clearly the medical staff thought the race was stopped and did not treat it as a live track. The leaders had not passed a red flag so were still racing.
If there is a red flag the lights on the triple and other sections should have been flashing red. The red cross flaggers should also have red flags.
The TV coverage and event as a whole is very amateur hour. Let’s hear from the riders lower in the field and some of the team staff during the long breaks between races. Get back in the pits and interview some people.
F1 Red Flag
Riders race under red cross flags even if they aren't jumping.
For whatever multitude of reasons, riders consistently don't see or ignore flags.
The management of different track flag conditions is sporadic at best.
Last nights incident with McAdoo hitting a medical staff member as well as the downed rider being attended was the end result of the above powder keg sitting around forever.
It's just sheer luck that the end result was as good as it was for the people involved.
The governing bodies need to take absolute action to improve the embarrassing situation that has built up for so long that led to the incident last race.
This needs to be talked about and rules changed immediately.
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Red Cross flag rule at issue:
6. Riders must exercise extreme caution and not race or
accelerate in an unsafe manner until they are clear of the
incident.
2 incidents (1 photo and 1 video) of flagger's potentially about to be hit by a bike.
https://www.vitalmx.com/features/Social-Scoop,7283
Supercross tracks are so tight in some of these football stadiums that it's just not worth the risk to put flagger's in harm's way in between center lanes. Flagger's in general need to be at least 10 feet back from the track and when the center lane is only 10 feet wide it's not possible and you have bikes coming from both directions.
There was not a missed flag here, all the rider's saw the flag and rolled the jumps so no missed communication. The whole reason for the flag is to warn the rider that things are not normal ahead of the flag and they should exercise caution. There is no expectation that an accident scene will be a choreographed routine with everything going perfect and no moving objects.
The red flag at the finish line is irrelevant, the proper flag was shown at the incident because medic's WERE on the track. All they need to do is follow the rule book and penalize riders that ignore safety flags. If just the red flag were shown rider's could have hit the triple like a sighting lap. It just means go back to the starting line.
Except that's not what the red flag signifies, in SX, or any other form of motorsport I'm aware of.
FROM AMA SX RULEBOOK - https://www.amasupercross.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/01/2020-AMA-Super…
Red Flag:
1. May be displayed anywhere on course.
2. Indicates the practice, qualifying or race has been stopped.
3. Reduce speed and proceed safely as directed by a race
official.
I started this thread, and I'm not hating on the flaggers, I'm hating on the fucking terrible race director and rule makers/enforcers.
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