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DJB 8/25/2020 1:48pm
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Hijacked from the start. But race discussion more entertaining than another coverage complaint.
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hamncheeze 8/25/2020 3:41pm
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Marvin is probably the biggest threat to both of them, honestly. He's 20 back, half the gap to Tomac and the least likely to full on throw a moto away IMO. Plus, he is easily the most consistent top-5 starter of the 3 of them, which will be a huge advantage if we get more mudders.
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scott_nz 8/25/2020 3:59pm
8/25/2020 3:59pm
kb228 wrote:
Its over. Name one other series where someones bike blew up both motos and they won the title in a short series.
Ben Townley blew his bike up at round 1 2007 easy coast SX , had less points paying races to come back as well,
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blockhead17 8/25/2020 4:05pm
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Like most years, nearly every rider will have at least one off-moto.. it’s hard to think Zacho won’t have at least one.
I say Marv May be the real threat here, he is super consistent.
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WCRider 8/26/2020 2:39am
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Soso about Tomac. He is very hard on the clutch, no doubt. I think first moto wasn't his fault because he has managed a lot of mud races in the past pretty well. He was second, solid ride but shit happens. I think he also hate the track.

He is a good hunter, let's see what he can do. Gonna be interesting.
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motonation24 8/26/2020 3:06am
8/26/2020 3:06am
Can’t take too much away from the 2 amateur track races, one being a full on mudder.
There are going to be races where Zach runs 5-10 range and coughs up a heap of points.
Eli is going to have to put a lot off 1-1 days on the board to get back into contention. Both the Red Buds should be his.
Marvin will be a threat though
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Lukass59 8/26/2020 7:59am
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Has Zach ever finished less than 40 points behind Tomac in a series?
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crusty_xx 8/26/2020 8:06am
8/26/2020 8:06am
Lukass59 wrote:
Has Zach ever finished less than 40 points behind Tomac in a series?
I think he has only raced 450 outdoors last season, and he missed a race there
Boomslang 8/26/2020 8:16am
8/26/2020 8:16am
BMSOBx2 wrote:
Passes 30 people in 4 laps? 40th in the first turn of the first lap. Less than 10 minutes later he's inside the top 10. What...
Passes 30 people in 4 laps? 40th in the first turn of the first lap. Less than 10 minutes later he's inside the top 10. What an epic charge. (Either that or he cut the track). Best race lap was a 2:24 and we saw none of it? WTF?
scott_nz wrote:
maybe cooking the bike in the process,

40 points down, with maybe 14 races to go, still not over, but hes dug a hole for himself,
I think its good for the series that Tomac is 40 down. Makes it interesting and its unlikely that Osborne will run away with the series. Tomac will bounce back and chase points whilst Osborne has to manage the weight of that Red plate. Awesome for the season.
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BroFoSho 8/26/2020 2:44pm
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kb228 wrote:
Its over. Name one other series where someones bike blew up both motos and they won the title in a short series.
Did you not watch 2019 outdoors!!?!?!?!
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BMSOBx2 wrote:
Passes 30 people in 4 laps? 40th in the first turn of the first lap. Less than 10 minutes later he's inside the top 10. What...
Passes 30 people in 4 laps? 40th in the first turn of the first lap. Less than 10 minutes later he's inside the top 10. What an epic charge. (Either that or he cut the track). Best race lap was a 2:24 and we saw none of it? WTF?
Thisusernameisavailable wrote:
What does it say about the depth of talent in the field?
kage173 wrote:
"Deepest field ever." "So competitive." "We've never seen anything like this." "Things have changed"

Riiigght.
Tomac sent it in a field full of people conserving their bikes and it cost him. It was a risk vs rewards situation.
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Chris_Buehler 8/26/2020 3:11pm
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gt80rider wrote:
How many 450 nationals has Zach won??? Zach is gonna have to beat one of the very best ever to win the 2020 outdoor title.... one...
How many 450 nationals has Zach won???

Zach is gonna have to beat one of the very best ever to win the 2020 outdoor title.... one hell of a tough road to hoe.......
Broseph wrote:
Tough road to hoe, sure. But for all intensive purposes it could be a blessing in the skies.
"Intensive purposes." Intents and purposes
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Chris_Buehler 8/26/2020 4:22pm
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hamncheeze wrote:
Marvin is probably the biggest threat to both of them, honestly. He's 20 back, half the gap to Tomac and the least likely to full on...
Marvin is probably the biggest threat to both of them, honestly. He's 20 back, half the gap to Tomac and the least likely to full on throw a moto away IMO. Plus, he is easily the most consistent top-5 starter of the 3 of them, which will be a huge advantage if we get more mudders.
This is what I've been saying all week. Marv, IF he's close to being 100%, is a real threat here. And I take a full strength Marv over Zach for sure
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aeffertz 8/26/2020 4:46pm
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Chris_Buehler wrote:
"Intensive purposes." Intents and purposes
Tomac winning this championship would be a miracle in the skies.
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Broseph 8/26/2020 5:13pm
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gt80rider wrote:
How many 450 nationals has Zach won??? Zach is gonna have to beat one of the very best ever to win the 2020 outdoor title.... one...
How many 450 nationals has Zach won???

Zach is gonna have to beat one of the very best ever to win the 2020 outdoor title.... one hell of a tough road to hoe.......
Broseph wrote:
Tough road to hoe, sure. But for all intensive purposes it could be a blessing in the skies.
Chris_Buehler wrote:
"Intensive purposes." Intents and purposes
Seems like a mute point.
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Chris_Buehler 8/26/2020 5:43pm
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Broseph wrote:
Tough road to hoe, sure. But for all intensive purposes it could be a blessing in the skies.
Chris_Buehler wrote:
"Intensive purposes." Intents and purposes
Broseph wrote:
Seems like a mute point.
My whole life I thought it was "intensive purposes" lmao blew my mind when I found out I been saying it wrong for 20 some odd yrs
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Broseph 8/26/2020 6:16pm
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Chris_Buehler wrote:
"Intensive purposes." Intents and purposes
Broseph wrote:
Seems like a mute point.
Chris_Buehler wrote:
My whole life I thought it was "intensive purposes" lmao blew my mind when I found out I been saying it wrong for 20 some odd...
My whole life I thought it was "intensive purposes" lmao blew my mind when I found out I been saying it wrong for 20 some odd yrs
Irregardless, that Kawi team has some deep seeded issues with reliability. It’s a doggy dog world and if I were them I’d nip it in the butt. Wouldn’t expect them to get off scotch free otherwise.
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Broseph wrote:
Seems like a mute point.
Chris_Buehler wrote:
My whole life I thought it was "intensive purposes" lmao blew my mind when I found out I been saying it wrong for 20 some odd...
My whole life I thought it was "intensive purposes" lmao blew my mind when I found out I been saying it wrong for 20 some odd yrs
Broseph wrote:
Irregardless, that Kawi team has some deep seeded issues with reliability. It’s a doggy dog world and if I were them I’d nip it in the...
Irregardless, that Kawi team has some deep seeded issues with reliability. It’s a doggy dog world and if I were them I’d nip it in the butt. Wouldn’t expect them to get off scotch free otherwise.
Coulda said it better myself.
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WowWowWubzy 8/26/2020 6:54pm
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Hate to see titles decided by DNF’s. But 40 points is tough unless Zach has a DNF. Tomac needs to make up 6 pnts per round to catch Zach. Plus are there 7 left? Who knows? Eli should have nursed it like Jmart at LL2. Easier said than done. Zach or Marv.
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SWOHIO GUY 8/26/2020 7:03pm
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When you think about Eli being hard on clutches and how the ideal riding style for mud is Roczen’s and then you compare the twos results in mud races since 2018 Eli has been a better mud rider! Eli has been a very good and consistent mud rider till Saturday and he was on his way to another good mud in moto 1 till disaster struck! Below is comparing a clutch abuser to a non clutch abuser.

Seattle 2018: Eli won, Roczen sidelined
Unadilla 2018: Eli 1-2, Ken 7-7
Ironman 2018: Eli 2-9, Ken 3-2
Red Bud MXDN: Eli 4-7, Ken 25-9
Anaheim 1 2019: Eli 3rd, Ken 2nd
San Diego 2019: Eli 1st, Ken 3rd
Hangtown 2019: Eli 4-1, Ken 1-2
Spring Creek 2019: Eli 2-5, Ken 14-2
Salt Lake 3: Eli 1st, Ken 10th
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charge 8/26/2020 7:04pm
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This goes one of two ways right? He’s either over it with the SX title in the bag and underperforms

Or the smack down is imminent for the rest of the year
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sowers711 8/26/2020 7:12pm
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Broseph wrote:
Seems like a mute point.
Chris_Buehler wrote:
My whole life I thought it was "intensive purposes" lmao blew my mind when I found out I been saying it wrong for 20 some odd...
My whole life I thought it was "intensive purposes" lmao blew my mind when I found out I been saying it wrong for 20 some odd yrs
Broseph wrote:
Irregardless, that Kawi team has some deep seeded issues with reliability. It’s a doggy dog world and if I were them I’d nip it in the...
Irregardless, that Kawi team has some deep seeded issues with reliability. It’s a doggy dog world and if I were them I’d nip it in the butt. Wouldn’t expect them to get off scotch free otherwise.
“nip it in the butt.” nip it in the bud.
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kpiper 8/26/2020 8:42pm
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So how did Tomac get a reputation for abusing clutches? Where did that come from?

Just because he rides the bike really hard?

From what I know, they all abuse the clutches the way they modulate with it. I would too if I knew I could get a new free clutch each moto.
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Broseph wrote:
Tough road to hoe, sure. But for all intensive purposes it could be a blessing in the skies.
Egg corn
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FGR01 8/26/2020 9:03pm
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Is it too early to Bunch'em up ?
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TbonesPop 8/26/2020 9:14pm
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I think this is going to shape up to be one of the most exciting seasons of MX we have had in decades given the hole Tomac is in. We know he has the talent and ability to make a comeback run. We know there is enough parity in competition at the top to make things tough on the other title contenders. Its highly likely the series will go down to the last race. Lots to look forward to in my opinion.
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Lloydcarter 8/26/2020 10:22pm
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BMSOBx2 wrote:
Passes 30 people in 4 laps? 40th in the first turn of the first lap. Less than 10 minutes later he's inside the top 10. What...
Passes 30 people in 4 laps? 40th in the first turn of the first lap. Less than 10 minutes later he's inside the top 10. What an epic charge. (Either that or he cut the track). Best race lap was a 2:24 and we saw none of it? WTF?
Thisusernameisavailable wrote:
What does it say about the depth of talent in the field?
It says that he’s elite af
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gregyou 8/26/2020 10:27pm
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kpiper wrote:
So how did Tomac get a reputation for abusing clutches? Where did that come from? Just because he rides the bike really hard? From what I...
So how did Tomac get a reputation for abusing clutches? Where did that come from?

Just because he rides the bike really hard?

From what I know, they all abuse the clutches the way they modulate with it. I would too if I knew I could get a new free clutch each moto.
He literally lapped nearly the whole hole field in super cross not long ago now all of a sudden he doesn’t know how to make his bike last in mud
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Rosso391 8/27/2020 5:57am
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BMSOBx2 wrote:
Passes 30 people in 4 laps? 40th in the first turn of the first lap. Less than 10 minutes later he's inside the top 10. What...
Passes 30 people in 4 laps? 40th in the first turn of the first lap. Less than 10 minutes later he's inside the top 10. What an epic charge. (Either that or he cut the track). Best race lap was a 2:24 and we saw none of it? WTF?
You know who else had the best lap at a 2:24?.....SECRETARIAT
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gregyou 8/27/2020 7:02am
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Any one got a link to lap times of moto 2

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