What happened to people fixing things.

JeremyK
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8/19/2020 6:33am
I stopped working on our cars at home because I would rather have the time free to spend with my wife and son . I remember growing up when my dad first took one of their cars to get work done ,it was like seeing super man lose his powers ,I couldnt believe what I was seeing ,never did my dad get anything worked on before and I was the same way until i started a family.
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Mr. Afterbar
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8/19/2020 6:34am
I don’t trust other people to work on my bike. Being a technician for a living, it’s amazing the things that others pass off as quality work.
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scootch
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8/19/2020 6:50am
I don't own a dirtbike, but for my mtb i'm guilty of this. My main justification has always been that if a really expensive part breaks on the shops clock it's on their dime. If i break it I have to pay for it! I came from a household where we fixed everything in house.. my brother and my dad are both aircraft mechanics. I'm fairly confident working on cars and dirtbikes (at least 2 strokes), but all the carbon and blingy components on my mtb have always made me a bit nervous to turn the wrench myself. With that being said, my shop does my mx for free since I'm on their race team, so i'm not loosing out on much Tongue
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thehenk
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8/19/2020 6:52am
all the basic stuff you can do yourself, dirt bikes aren't that difficult
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8/19/2020 7:06am
kkawboy14 wrote:
So I wanted to change the sprockets and chain on my 2020 KX450, impossible to get the front sprocket off on my own! Had to take...
So I wanted to change the sprockets and chain on my 2020 KX450, impossible to get the front sprocket off on my own! Had to take it to the shop, it wouldn’t budge
Go buy an electric impact wrench and some impact sockets. Won't have to go to dealer for that again.
Yup. I regularly rationalize a new tool purchase if needed to complete any job. "wife, I'm running to the store again..."
sumdood
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8/19/2020 7:31am
kb228 wrote:
Not sure what happened. Ive noticed that out of the 140 person highschool class i graduated with, im one of MAYBE 3 that even knows how...
Not sure what happened. Ive noticed that out of the 140 person highschool class i graduated with, im one of MAYBE 3 that even knows how to work on stuff.

Compare that with people my dads age grroup 40-50+, they all know how to fix things.

I had to learn to fix shit because i grew up too broke to pay someone else. So if i wanted my bicycle or dirtbike to ride, i had to fix it when it broke.

Today i only pay someone when its beyond my capabilities like engine work on a truck or replating a cylinder.
True but doing a top end on a Hodaka Ace 100 or Yamaha mini enduro is different than rebuilding a modern fuel injected electric start 4 stroke. I grew up fixing everything too (I’m 61) My job is fixing pool equipment now, (and just like dirt bikes it used to be way easier) I fully appreciate the skill and learning curve it takes to rebuild a motor, shock or forks, trace and repair an electrical problem etc. and have no problem paying someone who specializes in that, just like the average homeowner calls me when the heater doesn’t work or they can’t turn on the pool with their phone. Plus as I get older I seem to have less time, for me it makes way more sense to make money doing what I know how to do and then pay someone else to do what they know how to do.
8/19/2020 7:50am
davis224 wrote:
You guys sure do want to make sure all mechanics go out of business. It's a free country, you can use your spare time doing, or...
You guys sure do want to make sure all mechanics go out of business. It's a free country, you can use your spare time doing, or not doing, whatever the hell you want. If someone wants to pay to have work done, let them, and stop trying to make them feel bad for doing it.
I, by no means, want mechanics to go out of business. I am a maintenance mechanic myself. However, there is absolutely no reason anyone should have to rely on a shop to do simple tasks. And no one spending time reading through and posting on an Internet forum should say they don’t have time. You obviously have time.
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Mike_Lawlor
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8/19/2020 8:03am
I learned how to work on stuff and troubleshoot things at a very young age. I think 4 to be exact when my dad didn’t want me to ride my PW50 when He wasn’t home so he popped the spark plug boot off so I’d just kick my balls off till he got home. Well me being a persistent little bastard started checking and discovered what my dad had done. Needless to say he was equally impressed as he was pissed when i was tearing ass up and down our field when he came home. Ever since then he showed me how to do things once and next time something broke I fixed it myself. It gave us a bond we still have to this day. Now I port my own cylinders and heads and replace cranks and tranny gears. Do full bike tear downs and suspension revalving rebuilding from 25 years of doing it and learning from my mistakes. No I don’t always enjoy doing some things or scream swear words because the little hand engineer designed something my fat sausage fingers can’t get on but I love going down to my shop and having a beer with a buddy or alone and having piece of mind that when I send a jump wfo my bike is solid. Just my two cents. Not everyone has the desire or time to do everything on there stuff. I just feel like I’m wasting money paying someone to do something I can do.
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8/19/2020 8:15am
I learned how to work on stuff and troubleshoot things at a very young age. I think 4 to be exact when my dad didn’t want...
I learned how to work on stuff and troubleshoot things at a very young age. I think 4 to be exact when my dad didn’t want me to ride my PW50 when He wasn’t home so he popped the spark plug boot off so I’d just kick my balls off till he got home. Well me being a persistent little bastard started checking and discovered what my dad had done. Needless to say he was equally impressed as he was pissed when i was tearing ass up and down our field when he came home. Ever since then he showed me how to do things once and next time something broke I fixed it myself. It gave us a bond we still have to this day. Now I port my own cylinders and heads and replace cranks and tranny gears. Do full bike tear downs and suspension revalving rebuilding from 25 years of doing it and learning from my mistakes. No I don’t always enjoy doing some things or scream swear words because the little hand engineer designed something my fat sausage fingers can’t get on but I love going down to my shop and having a beer with a buddy or alone and having piece of mind that when I send a jump wfo my bike is solid. Just my two cents. Not everyone has the desire or time to do everything on there stuff. I just feel like I’m wasting money paying someone to do something I can do.
Lot of Can Do in people but not a lot willing to at least try. Someone mentioned we are a free country people can do or not do what they want. True. But let’s not make that an excuse to be lazy and pawn stuff off to other people to fix our messes. This can also be a metaphor for manufacturing in our country
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8/19/2020 8:20am
“Men of a certain age are virtually powerless in our youth-obsessed culture. Time is no longer a friend as much as enemy. The psychological factors of growing old in a society that favors abs over experience can only lead to what is euphemistically called a “mid-life crisis.” There comes a time when knowing how to fix a washing machine means little in a consumer society where they just thrown broken things away and buy new ones. You know when you buy something that has electronic controls that there is no way you can ever fix it—that is something that your grand dad or father never had to consider. Things were never truly obsolete back in the good old days—now, not only are things obsolete but so are men of a certain age. They have skills, but no place to use them.”
-Jody at MXA
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sf702/410
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8/19/2020 8:33am
I learned how to work on stuff and troubleshoot things at a very young age. I think 4 to be exact when my dad didn’t want...
I learned how to work on stuff and troubleshoot things at a very young age. I think 4 to be exact when my dad didn’t want me to ride my PW50 when He wasn’t home so he popped the spark plug boot off so I’d just kick my balls off till he got home. Well me being a persistent little bastard started checking and discovered what my dad had done. Needless to say he was equally impressed as he was pissed when i was tearing ass up and down our field when he came home. Ever since then he showed me how to do things once and next time something broke I fixed it myself. It gave us a bond we still have to this day. Now I port my own cylinders and heads and replace cranks and tranny gears. Do full bike tear downs and suspension revalving rebuilding from 25 years of doing it and learning from my mistakes. No I don’t always enjoy doing some things or scream swear words because the little hand engineer designed something my fat sausage fingers can’t get on but I love going down to my shop and having a beer with a buddy or alone and having piece of mind that when I send a jump wfo my bike is solid. Just my two cents. Not everyone has the desire or time to do everything on there stuff. I just feel like I’m wasting money paying someone to do something I can do.
Lot of Can Do in people but not a lot willing to at least try. Someone mentioned we are a free country people can do or...
Lot of Can Do in people but not a lot willing to at least try. Someone mentioned we are a free country people can do or not do what they want. True. But let’s not make that an excuse to be lazy and pawn stuff off to other people to fix our messes. This can also be a metaphor for manufacturing in our country
I think we share alot of the same sentiments. I find it not only a bit strange, but also worrisome for our society, as to how clueless some men are mechanically.
I learned starting young to maintain and fix stuff because I was poor and stuff was always breaking. I was also in farm country and had a baby boomer father, so culturally it was the norm.

The breed is different now days, and I think that's attributable to many things- those being - overseas manufacturing that brings replacement prices to near repair prices, with a guarantee of warranty and all new components, complex electronics that scare people, metro setting vs rural setting doesn't allow much room to work on stuff or keep alot off tools around, video games, a cultural shift away from 'masculinity' and hyper awareness of solvents, chemical exposure.

I don't know. Im also happy im able to comfortably support my family because of this. And I don't expect to learn every trade out there to save a buck, so I can't argue someone else's path. And if you're a mechanic working for someone else, you know it's a hard, underpaid, demanding and stressful job.
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KennyT
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8/19/2020 8:48am
Some people’s minds do not work well with mechanical issues. I can build a house but don’t ask me to rebuild a top end.

I quit doing my own work on bikes ones the 2 strokes went away. With a 4-stroke I just stare at the motor and have no idea where to start. Chains n air cleaners are about my limit
bh
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8/19/2020 9:20am
Just depends on the person. Some people have the mechanic gene and some don’t. I’m 18 now and when I really got into riding dirt bikes at 14 I started working on my own stuff. So I could rebuild suspension, check valves, etc. now I’ve done everything but a 4 stroke bottom end. Which I should be doing in the next couple months. I’m planning on pressing out the con rod myself and finding someone to true the crank. I myself enjoy it, but I wouldn’t mind dropping some stuff off for a nice local shop to do. The one thing I would never do is drop it off at my local dealer.
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toomanykaws
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8/19/2020 9:26am
I ride with lot of guys who don’t turn their own wrench. Their “mechanics” and or the dealer seem to make lots of mistakes with the work. This isn’t on an MX track where you just push it back to the truck. We ride in the desert. Always keep a long section from a harbor freight 30 ft ratchet strap. For towing. Smile .
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kNewc
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8/19/2020 10:06am
I do as much as I can, but some things I just don't trust myself. I think of it as health insurance. I don't want this thing stopping on me in the air on the face of a jump. I'll take the carb off and clean it, inspect top ends, etc. But bottom end work and suspension I let the pro's deal with. Plus my buddy owns the local bike shop and I like to support him when I have issues I don't want to mess with.
8/19/2020 10:28am
Again, I totally understand taking a vehicle for repair work that requires unique tools. Not that this is always the case, but for me to take a vehicle to a shop for a repair or diagnosis with their special tools around me, it takes weeks. They are slammed to the gills doing basic maintenance work. They rarely touch big stuff and refer it on because they can make $85/hr for doing basic maintenance and hire anyone with a little skill to perform those tasks and pay them $15/hr. Again, not always the case. Only venting about what I’m seeing in my area.
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8/19/2020 10:38am
Depends who you’re hanging out with but most of my
Mx bro’s are tradesman( mining town)and do their own repairs.( the I step in and help them put it back together,lol!)
I’ve been a professional mechanic for years but don’t mind trying to tackle new stuff. tig welding lately..check out the KX500 tank I built. Youtub

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GripNRip617
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8/19/2020 10:46am
Again, I totally understand taking a vehicle for repair work that requires unique tools. Not that this is always the case, but for me to take...
Again, I totally understand taking a vehicle for repair work that requires unique tools. Not that this is always the case, but for me to take a vehicle to a shop for a repair or diagnosis with their special tools around me, it takes weeks. They are slammed to the gills doing basic maintenance work. They rarely touch big stuff and refer it on because they can make $85/hr for doing basic maintenance and hire anyone with a little skill to perform those tasks and pay them $15/hr. Again, not always the case. Only venting about what I’m seeing in my area.
I hate this. Makes sense now why shops full of techs can't get to my bottom end work for weeks, because only 1 guy out of the 15 is capable.
Mx391
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8/19/2020 10:50am
Most boomers did a terrible job at raising their kids, now they complain about their results.
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APLMAN99
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8/19/2020 10:54am
Again, I totally understand taking a vehicle for repair work that requires unique tools. Not that this is always the case, but for me to take...
Again, I totally understand taking a vehicle for repair work that requires unique tools. Not that this is always the case, but for me to take a vehicle to a shop for a repair or diagnosis with their special tools around me, it takes weeks. They are slammed to the gills doing basic maintenance work. They rarely touch big stuff and refer it on because they can make $85/hr for doing basic maintenance and hire anyone with a little skill to perform those tasks and pay them $15/hr. Again, not always the case. Only venting about what I’m seeing in my area.
I wouldn't worry about what other people decide to do with their time and money so much.........

Sounds like you should be doing a side hustle charging people half price ($40/HR) for the basic work that they don't want to do/don't have time to do.
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8/19/2020 11:11am
Again, I totally understand taking a vehicle for repair work that requires unique tools. Not that this is always the case, but for me to take...
Again, I totally understand taking a vehicle for repair work that requires unique tools. Not that this is always the case, but for me to take a vehicle to a shop for a repair or diagnosis with their special tools around me, it takes weeks. They are slammed to the gills doing basic maintenance work. They rarely touch big stuff and refer it on because they can make $85/hr for doing basic maintenance and hire anyone with a little skill to perform those tasks and pay them $15/hr. Again, not always the case. Only venting about what I’m seeing in my area.
APLMAN99 wrote:
I wouldn't worry about what other people decide to do with their time and money so much......... Sounds like you should be doing a side hustle...
I wouldn't worry about what other people decide to do with their time and money so much.........

Sounds like you should be doing a side hustle charging people half price ($40/HR) for the basic work that they don't want to do/don't have time to do.
I charge $35/hr.
8/19/2020 11:24am
Again, I totally understand taking a vehicle for repair work that requires unique tools. Not that this is always the case, but for me to take...
Again, I totally understand taking a vehicle for repair work that requires unique tools. Not that this is always the case, but for me to take a vehicle to a shop for a repair or diagnosis with their special tools around me, it takes weeks. They are slammed to the gills doing basic maintenance work. They rarely touch big stuff and refer it on because they can make $85/hr for doing basic maintenance and hire anyone with a little skill to perform those tasks and pay them $15/hr. Again, not always the case. Only venting about what I’m seeing in my area.
APLMAN99 wrote:
I wouldn't worry about what other people decide to do with their time and money so much......... Sounds like you should be doing a side hustle...
I wouldn't worry about what other people decide to do with their time and money so much.........

Sounds like you should be doing a side hustle charging people half price ($40/HR) for the basic work that they don't want to do/don't have time to do.
I am so less worried about people's decisions and more worried about society in general. All too often people are so quick to decide that throwing money at a problem will solve it instead of deciding to figure it out themselves. "Too tough for me, I'll let someone else fix it." I do side work for people, most of which is stuff shops don't have the time for. So I do benefit from people's lack of motivation. However, I can still be bugged that people are willing to pay good money for simple, simple things. Everyone has their reasons, I get it. Just frustrating.
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GrapeApe
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8/19/2020 11:45am Edited Date/Time 8/19/2020 12:42pm
I love working on stuff and fixing problems, it's a nice escape and cathartic in a way. But my kids aren't going to be in the house much longer and I'm still working long hours. More and more I'm valuing my free time over money.

I did just diagnose, source and replace a bad condenser motor on my outside beer fridge a couple of weeks ago. When I compare my hourly rate to what it would have cost to have someone out to fix it, it makes no sense. But every time I grab a cold beer from the fridge, I give a prideful nod to my accomplishment.

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Spudnut
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8/19/2020 11:59am
Falcon wrote:
This is valid too. If you don't mind paying, you are supporting the people who repair for a living. As for me, I'd rather save the...
This is valid too. If you don't mind paying, you are supporting the people who repair for a living.

As for me, I'd rather save the $75 or more per hour.
Not really an option when you could be out making $2000 an hour for your business though
JM485
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8/19/2020 12:12pm
Spudnut wrote:
Not really an option when you could be out making $2000 an hour for your business though
Can someone please clue me in on what businesses are allowing you to make $2000 an hour (or even $200 if that was a typo)? Asking for a friend. . .
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TeamGreen
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8/19/2020 12:20pm Edited Date/Time 8/19/2020 12:24pm
To that end:

I use a VERY capable "mechanic" and any real engine madness I send to Twisted Development. For suspension, as of late, I've been using JBI (as in j b i) for suspension duties on all my WP, Showa and KYB stuff and the dude is EXCELLENT! Had a ride day/photo day a few months back where Cole Seely rode the Twisted Development/JBI 350 SX-F and he loved the stuff.

Here's the point: I pay for good services from great service providers. Sure, it ain't cheap; but, my bike is worth it. I'm worth it. My time at the track going as "smoothly as possible" is certainly worth it, too.

The OP has a good point; but, some of us rather let the real pros "do their thing" on the more serious stuff.
155hk
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8/19/2020 12:53pm Edited Date/Time 8/19/2020 12:54pm
I just turned 21. I have never taken my cars or motorcycles to a shop for repairs. I've saved THOUSANDS doing everything myself, even if it involved alot of bloody knuckles and took an entire weekend. I always felt good knowing it was done correctly and not done half ass, plus saving money at the same time..

Did I mention its also just fun to wrench stuff and learn more every day?
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dadofagun
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8/19/2020 1:05pm
I like the feeling of looking at something I have done, and saying to myself " I did that." I know it's selfish as hell, but it just feels good to place a thumbs up in the confidence column. I enjoy knowing in my heart I can handle most projects that "happen" to me, or I'm stupid enough to dream up. My Son, well, he does not get it at all...... He could stare at a screwdriver, and have to think really hard as to which end his hand goes on. Thank God for Facetime on iphone, he's away at college, and checking his car out for fluid levels, and whatever else is much easier. But I'm on the bandwagon that thinks this generation as a whole, doesn't know, nor care to know, jack shit. I've tried to teach mine, sadly though, it just didn't stick. After college, he is white collar job bound for life I promise you. It's just his cup of tea........

But for myself, solving a problem with my head, and hands...........instant gratification. Add a beer, I'm set until the next hurdle gets thrown in front of me.
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Hallzilla
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8/19/2020 1:09pm Edited Date/Time 8/19/2020 1:10pm
You better know what you are doing wrenching on these new gen 4 strokes. The last thing you want, is to grenade off the big booter because of a mechanic error. A 2T top end is a different story and a god place to start learning.

8/19/2020 1:38pm
2 or 4 stroke engine rebuilds, FI, carbs, etc are all no big deal to me. One of my closest friends runs the top local suspension shop, so natch' I take forks/shocks to him, but I can certainly tackle it myself.

What's been bothering me is the price of parts now. I'm nearing completion of a 2004 YZ250 build, and it's gone way over what I figured it would cost me. No way I get the money back out of it. It's really gotten me to to think I should just buy a leftover new bike for a great deal, then repeat the process every year or so. It's not like I can use the performance of even the most lowly last place finisher bike in the shootouts, but having a freshie that doesn't need wrenching on is rather appealing.
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