Varner Motorsports issues

TheGetFresh 4/16/2020 5:08pm
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yak651 wrote:
Were not building Rolodex's...(guy from the south I work with would say that with his "ruff" machining skills - I believe he meant Rolex's but I...
Were not building Rolodex's...(guy from the south I work with would say that with his "ruff" machining skills - I believe he meant Rolex's but I wasn't going to correct him...)
FGR01 wrote:
Granite, I have no ideal what your talking about but I expect its a mute point anyways.
I can’t wait til this Varner guy builds him a sick engine and this is all just water under the fridge.
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Looks like a lot of these famous (infamous) engine builders have more work than they need or can get finished. Also since the live long distances...
Looks like a lot of these famous (infamous) engine builders have more work than they need or can get finished. Also since the live long distances away, you can't just go knock on their door to get your parts back. They don't want to say no or give realistic time frames. After all of the different posts I've seen here about so many builders, I don't think I would use any of them.
I used Tom Morgan. I was one of the folks who published with explicit details of my horror experience with Harris, facts that could not be refuted.

Morgan stepped up, was beyond professional, delivered in less time than promised, Did everything he could to try to turn my sh1t experience and sh1t product from harris around to do everything he could for me even though my issues were no fault of his own. Can’t recommend Tom at TMR enough.
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Varner was an amazing supporter of mine while growing up and racing. He did pretty much all my race bikes, at least when need he never hesitated.

I’m hoping your stuff shows up and it rips and I surely hope Terry is doing ok. Nobody is always perfect.
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MadsDausel 4/16/2020 5:20pm
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I wait a couple of months when he gets my 300 kit... But I never try a 2 stroke so fast before😅 And he helped with jetting, And I have text with him Many Many Times😊
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Varner was an amazing supporter of mine while growing up and racing. He did pretty much all my race bikes, at least when need he never...
Varner was an amazing supporter of mine while growing up and racing. He did pretty much all my race bikes, at least when need he never hesitated.

I’m hoping your stuff shows up and it rips and I surely hope Terry is doing ok. Nobody is always perfect.
I have no doubt he did. Problem is that you fit into that pro/elite clientele group I was referring to. There is absolutely no question as to what his capabilities are, it is about where his commitment lies and his dedication to such
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It's a shame there are so many of these stories out there. So many of them too are evenly split between "that guy sucks" and "that guy is always super-responsive." A few years ago I sent a vintage 125 motor to a well known two-stroke tuner. Unfortunately, it took forever to come back, even though I supplied all the necessary NOS parts that were necessary for the job. When it did come back, it ripped -- for one moto. Then the nut holding the rotor backed off the crank and ground part of the original, excellent ignition cover into fine magnesium dust. He did provide a new, works-looking cover so I was good with it. The bike did run very well for one or two races that summer but it seized at the AHRMA national at Red Bud while my son was fighting for the lead in his class (with about 4-5 hours on the brand new motor). After that experience, I just used our trusted local guy, who sent the cylinder to Millenium for a new liner, and to this day -- several years later -- the bike runs beautifully. I would really need to see pretty strong and predominantly positive evidence to be persuaded to send another cylinder far off for work.
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Varner was an amazing supporter of mine while growing up and racing. He did pretty much all my race bikes, at least when need he never...
Varner was an amazing supporter of mine while growing up and racing. He did pretty much all my race bikes, at least when need he never hesitated.

I’m hoping your stuff shows up and it rips and I surely hope Terry is doing ok. Nobody is always perfect.
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I have no doubt he did. Problem is that you fit into that pro/elite clientele group I was referring to. There is absolutely no question as...
I have no doubt he did. Problem is that you fit into that pro/elite clientele group I was referring to. There is absolutely no question as to what his capabilities are, it is about where his commitment lies and his dedication to such
Well, that’s not true.

He started helping me when I was a 80cc novice and wouldn’t leave him alone about doing my RM80.

Now, I am not trying to say that excuses this situation, but I am saying it doesn’t sound like the guy I once knew well.

That brings me to the major point of posting. I hope all is well with him and I sincerely doubt he just decided to not call a guy back, have a full voicemail and go MIA to this guy. So... I hope the guy gets his stuff and I am sure he will, but also to let the negative people here remember that we have all had bad days / times and to not crucify the guy. Especially if he makes it right.
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Boomslang 4/16/2020 8:58pm
4/16/2020 8:58pm
Terry is not well and I suggested him taking on a helping hand. Someone who can strip, do general cleaning and cover some admin. I'm concerned about him. He is one of the best out there. When I spoke to him he sounded old...if not tired.

I pray for his health and I sure hope you all get sorted out.
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Terry is not well and I suggested him taking on a helping hand. Someone who can strip, do general cleaning and cover some admin. I'm concerned...
Terry is not well and I suggested him taking on a helping hand. Someone who can strip, do general cleaning and cover some admin. I'm concerned about him. He is one of the best out there. When I spoke to him he sounded old...if not tired.

I pray for his health and I sure hope you all get sorted out.
Yeah, something is not right in Hesperia. I am more than willing to go check on him tomorrow. Don't think I have a current address for him though.
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Yeah, something is not right in Hesperia. I am more than willing to go check on him tomorrow. Don't think I have a current address for...
Yeah, something is not right in Hesperia. I am more than willing to go check on him tomorrow. Don't think I have a current address for him though.
10690 G Ave. Suite D
Hesperia, CA 92345
909-227-6156

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Yeah, something is not right in Hesperia. I am more than willing to go check on him tomorrow. Don't think I have a current address for...
Yeah, something is not right in Hesperia. I am more than willing to go check on him tomorrow. Don't think I have a current address for him though.
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10690 G Ave. Suite D
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Is your sig line part of the visiting instructions?
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FWYT 4/16/2020 11:19pm
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Boomslang wrote:
Terry is not well and I suggested him taking on a helping hand. Someone who can strip, do general cleaning and cover some admin. I'm concerned...
Terry is not well and I suggested him taking on a helping hand. Someone who can strip, do general cleaning and cover some admin. I'm concerned about him. He is one of the best out there. When I spoke to him he sounded old...if not tired.

I pray for his health and I sure hope you all get sorted out.
That's harsh to hear. I also hope this gets sorted out and that he is well.
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A good job at a fair price and completed in a timely manner is all the customer really wants.
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chump6784 4/18/2020 2:37pm
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This thread seems very familiar to the Derek Harris thread where DH was too busy getting motors ready for his LL riders and wasn't doing his regular customers.
Seems like these engine builders like to work on big name riders bikes as a form of advertising but then don't want to do regular riders bikes unless it suits them
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sandman768 wrote:
Just reading through this thread makes me wonder... a lot of these old 2 stroke builders are getting older.... who will replace them ? If I...
Just reading through this thread makes me wonder... a lot of these old 2 stroke builders are getting older.... who will replace them ? If I lived somewhat close to Varner, I would try to visit and offer to help out, Maybe returning phone calls clerical etc. . maybe gain some of that knowledge in the shop. Just thinking out loud.... Good luck to the OP, hope you get it all resolved.
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Al Posey in NorCal “retired” but is still doing two stroke stuff. He’s an awesome guy. Have Varner send your motor there.
AL posey... Great dude and def blast from the past. Hope he is doing great.
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BobbyM 4/18/2020 3:09pm
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piscokid wrote:
A good job at a fair price and completed in a timely manner is all the customer really wants.
No shit? Wow thanks for the heads up.
A good blowjob from a 22 year old blonde female can be added to that list of customer desires as well.
Wait, I take that back, hell she could be bald for that matter
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WhatsStoppingU 4/18/2020 3:30pm
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Stuntman949 wrote:
Its not rocket appliance
yak651 wrote:
Were not building Rolodex's...(guy from the south I work with would say that with his "ruff" machining skills - I believe he meant Rolex's but I...
Were not building Rolodex's...(guy from the south I work with would say that with his "ruff" machining skills - I believe he meant Rolex's but I wasn't going to correct him...)
FGR01 wrote:
Granite, I have no ideal what your talking about but I expect its a mute point anyways.
Prolly just looking to get some piece of mind.
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EngIceDave 4/18/2020 3:35pm
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I don't grab the concert of what's going on here
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WhatsStoppingU 4/18/2020 3:39pm
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Just listened to Matthes’ podcast with Jason McCormick. Jason talked about how even back in the day when he was on the “factory” Honda 125 team, he had to send out his engines to someone else because Varner wasn’t getting the job done.
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sandtrack315 4/18/2020 4:27pm
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AL posey... Great dude and def blast from the past. Hope he is doing great.
One of the best. Treats everyone equitable, knows his shit, no bullshit. I spoke to him a few months ago and he’s doing great, just doing two strokes for fun and enjoying himself.
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chump6784 wrote:
This thread seems very familiar to the Derek Harris thread where DH was too busy getting motors ready for his LL riders and wasn't doing his...
This thread seems very familiar to the Derek Harris thread where DH was too busy getting motors ready for his LL riders and wasn't doing his regular customers.
Seems like these engine builders like to work on big name riders bikes as a form of advertising but then don't want to do regular riders bikes unless it suits them
The big difference here is that Terry Varner MAY be ill and just plain getting too old to keep up with the demand. Still no excuse for lack of communication ,however.

Now.......

Harris is a young ,arrogant,obnoxious know-it-all and came on here repeatedly to prove it. He had taken douchebaggery to a Championship level.
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chump6784 wrote:
This thread seems very familiar to the Derek Harris thread where DH was too busy getting motors ready for his LL riders and wasn't doing his...
This thread seems very familiar to the Derek Harris thread where DH was too busy getting motors ready for his LL riders and wasn't doing his regular customers.
Seems like these engine builders like to work on big name riders bikes as a form of advertising but then don't want to do regular riders bikes unless it suits them
OldPro277 wrote:
The big difference here is that Terry Varner MAY be ill and just plain getting too old to keep up with the demand. Still no excuse...
The big difference here is that Terry Varner MAY be ill and just plain getting too old to keep up with the demand. Still no excuse for lack of communication ,however.

Now.......

Harris is a young ,arrogant,obnoxious know-it-all and came on here repeatedly to prove it. He had taken douchebaggery to a Championship level.
Agree. Apple to orange comparison.
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Is your sig line part of the visiting instructions?
Negative on this situation. Cool
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OldPro277 wrote:
The big difference here is that Terry Varner MAY be ill and just plain getting too old to keep up with the demand. Still no excuse...
The big difference here is that Terry Varner MAY be ill and just plain getting too old to keep up with the demand. Still no excuse for lack of communication ,however.

Now.......

Harris is a young ,arrogant,obnoxious know-it-all and came on here repeatedly to prove it. He had taken douchebaggery to a Championship level.
Derek is a good guy, just not enough of him to go around to do everything he is attempting to do. Being a one man band, there just are not enough hours in the day. Learning to say no to a job is a learned art and some of us (yep, that's me Blush ) are slow learners. I wish him well, as I do Terry Varner.

I hope OP gets back a engine that is meticulously worked and rips.

And I hope everyone that has a vintage swing arm built in the Northwest US does not pay up front because that can take 22 months of frustration to get delivered...
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OldPro277 4/19/2020 7:18am
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OldPro277 wrote:
The big difference here is that Terry Varner MAY be ill and just plain getting too old to keep up with the demand. Still no excuse...
The big difference here is that Terry Varner MAY be ill and just plain getting too old to keep up with the demand. Still no excuse for lack of communication ,however.

Now.......

Harris is a young ,arrogant,obnoxious know-it-all and came on here repeatedly to prove it. He had taken douchebaggery to a Championship level.
newmann wrote:
Derek is a good guy, just not enough of him to go around to do everything he is attempting to do. Being a one man band...
Derek is a good guy, just not enough of him to go around to do everything he is attempting to do. Being a one man band, there just are not enough hours in the day. Learning to say no to a job is a learned art and some of us (yep, that's me Blush ) are slow learners. I wish him well, as I do Terry Varner.

I hope OP gets back a engine that is meticulously worked and rips.

And I hope everyone that has a vintage swing arm built in the Northwest US does not pay up front because that can take 22 months of frustration to get delivered...
Joe, I understand that he's a one man band. Most of these engine guru's are. Harris' issue wasn't his knowledge or engine building capabilities,or his turnaround time or even his lack of communication skills, it was the way he came on here and belittled everyone and continually preached his superiority ,lol He alienated a shitload of potential new customers, not real good business management sense. Maybe you didn't catch that whole disaster of a thread, but it was epic, and I'm 100% certain you don't handle yourself on a public forum as he did.

As far as the NW swingarm builder, also a one man band. Yes it was a 8 month wait for one swinger and 10 mos for another, and that was before his devastating fire. A few months back I wanted him to build me an OW replica alloy tank, but he actually told me he couldn't even give me a timeframe , yikes !! So I had to go overseas for that one.

I think some of these older artisans are just getting to the point of not being consistently healthy enough to continue their workload. A couple good examples are 2 pipe builders down your way. One I'm pretty sure has shut down operations due to health issues (circle F), and another well-known pipe dude has had periodic health problems and has turned over some of the fab work to an employee. Two weeks ago, my RM250A pipe came to me in 3 pieces, and I had to weld it back together myself ,apparently because he couldn't find a properly sized box to ship it in, LOL. Absolutely a true story !!

Anyway, I have never used Terry Varner ( I'm a big Tom Morgan fan, and Eric Gorr has been good to me as well) but it just seems that Terry is suffering from the above mentioned periodic health problems and its just hard to adjust your workload after all these years to accomodate the reduced shop time these issues are causing.

Hopefully the OP gets his pieces back, and Terry gets and stays healthy
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chump6784 wrote:
This thread seems very familiar to the Derek Harris thread where DH was too busy getting motors ready for his LL riders and wasn't doing his...
This thread seems very familiar to the Derek Harris thread where DH was too busy getting motors ready for his LL riders and wasn't doing his regular customers.
Seems like these engine builders like to work on big name riders bikes as a form of advertising but then don't want to do regular riders bikes unless it suits them
OldPro277 wrote:
The big difference here is that Terry Varner MAY be ill and just plain getting too old to keep up with the demand. Still no excuse...
The big difference here is that Terry Varner MAY be ill and just plain getting too old to keep up with the demand. Still no excuse for lack of communication ,however.

Now.......

Harris is a young ,arrogant,obnoxious know-it-all and came on here repeatedly to prove it. He had taken douchebaggery to a Championship level.
H4L wrote:
Agree. Apple to orange comparison.
X2.

Definitely a douchebag and I would never send anything to him after reading the horror stories.

Just a little refresher for those whom are unaware, the other posts got removed Unsure

https://www.vitalmx.com/forums/Moto-Related,20/Derek-Harris-scammer-par…
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H4L 4/19/2020 10:04am
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X2. Definitely a douchebag and I would never send anything to him after reading the horror stories. Just a little refresher for those whom are unaware...
X2.

Definitely a douchebag and I would never send anything to him after reading the horror stories.

Just a little refresher for those whom are unaware, the other posts got removed Unsure

https://www.vitalmx.com/forums/Moto-Related,20/Derek-Harris-scammer-par…
IMHO comparing that D-Bag to Terry Varner is insulting. Varner is an accomplished reputable tuner at the highest level of thIs sport.
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Williams motowerx,been some issues with him too...
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OldPro277 wrote:
The big difference here is that Terry Varner MAY be ill and just plain getting too old to keep up with the demand. Still no excuse...
The big difference here is that Terry Varner MAY be ill and just plain getting too old to keep up with the demand. Still no excuse for lack of communication ,however.

Now.......

Harris is a young ,arrogant,obnoxious know-it-all and came on here repeatedly to prove it. He had taken douchebaggery to a Championship level.
newmann wrote:
Derek is a good guy, just not enough of him to go around to do everything he is attempting to do. Being a one man band...
Derek is a good guy, just not enough of him to go around to do everything he is attempting to do. Being a one man band, there just are not enough hours in the day. Learning to say no to a job is a learned art and some of us (yep, that's me Blush ) are slow learners. I wish him well, as I do Terry Varner.

I hope OP gets back a engine that is meticulously worked and rips.

And I hope everyone that has a vintage swing arm built in the Northwest US does not pay up front because that can take 22 months of frustration to get delivered...
OldPro277 wrote:
Joe, I understand that he's a one man band. Most of these engine guru's are. Harris' issue wasn't his knowledge or engine building capabilities,or his turnaround...
Joe, I understand that he's a one man band. Most of these engine guru's are. Harris' issue wasn't his knowledge or engine building capabilities,or his turnaround time or even his lack of communication skills, it was the way he came on here and belittled everyone and continually preached his superiority ,lol He alienated a shitload of potential new customers, not real good business management sense. Maybe you didn't catch that whole disaster of a thread, but it was epic, and I'm 100% certain you don't handle yourself on a public forum as he did.

As far as the NW swingarm builder, also a one man band. Yes it was a 8 month wait for one swinger and 10 mos for another, and that was before his devastating fire. A few months back I wanted him to build me an OW replica alloy tank, but he actually told me he couldn't even give me a timeframe , yikes !! So I had to go overseas for that one.

I think some of these older artisans are just getting to the point of not being consistently healthy enough to continue their workload. A couple good examples are 2 pipe builders down your way. One I'm pretty sure has shut down operations due to health issues (circle F), and another well-known pipe dude has had periodic health problems and has turned over some of the fab work to an employee. Two weeks ago, my RM250A pipe came to me in 3 pieces, and I had to weld it back together myself ,apparently because he couldn't find a properly sized box to ship it in, LOL. Absolutely a true story !!

Anyway, I have never used Terry Varner ( I'm a big Tom Morgan fan, and Eric Gorr has been good to me as well) but it just seems that Terry is suffering from the above mentioned periodic health problems and its just hard to adjust your workload after all these years to accomodate the reduced shop time these issues are causing.

Hopefully the OP gets his pieces back, and Terry gets and stays healthy
I caught the thread when it happened, he got roughed up pretty good. I only wished that he had stopped digging his hole once he figured out it was deep enough. Just like I said in the Seeley thread, he could have handled that differently. But like Cole, he is young and hopefully uses that as a lesson going forward in his business. He is smart and a hard worker, rides a dirt bike pretty damn good too, just needs to be more open to soaking up business knowledge from others.
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