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Park a tractor behind a blind jump and then drop a gate full of riders out there? That’s gross negligence.
Plus I had awesome treatment and no waiting.
You just can't seem to handle the fact that many in the US like what we have. You should also stop assuming you know anything about what I have.
You're paying for it, just like Canada.
Every healthcare system has it's benefits and issues. I just prefer ours, although it needs more work to improve it.
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But single payer is far from ideal.
Canada has a combined sales tax around 15% and their income tax is much more than ours. The cost of living is very high there.
So it's NOT free.
Anything outside of routine medical care is a wait, sometimes a long one. Acoording to a colleague of mine who was born and raised in Canada
Besides, take a look at the VA if you think our government is good at running a healthcare system as big as ours.
Our system needs some work, but single payer is not the answer, imo
Maybe some kind of hybrid system would work. We do need a way to protect people from large out of pocket expenses. But I prefer to keep it mostly private so we can maintain the quality, choice and availabilty of services.
The only answer is what every other developed country has except for the US and that is a national health insurance system. Americans are paying more than every other country per person for medical care and our statistics are not the best compared to other countries. My job for the last 30 years is to know intimately the health insurance system of every major country around the world working for the biggest private healthcare company in the word, so I know the pros and cons and have lived for many years in a country with nationalized healthcare. The establishment is lying when they tell you that national health insurance will destroy US healthcare and blow up the budget because of the politicians ties with big business like these private health insurance companies. Really easy to see through the lies if you want to listen.. every other country has already been doing it for years withy no problem, but the US can't? These professional conmen will tell you about the UK and Canada where people have to wait for months/ a year for a surgery. These happen to be the worst examples out there and it is not quite like they are saying in their scare tactics, but there are plenty of national systems out there where you choose any doctor or hospital you want, any time you want.. no in network or out of net work issues like the US has, and surgery can be scheduled in similar speed to the US. That is what I experienced I the 15 years in the Japan national health insurance system.
More of you need to see through the smoke and mirrors and support national health insurance for the US.
It's funny. You can see exactly where the San Diego (good) to Riverside (bad) county line is based on the roadways. Goes from nice pavement to shit pavement right at the Riverside line. Same if you travel from Orange County (good) to Riverside County. Also San Diego to Imperial County (also bad).
It doesn’t happen nearly as much in other developed countries because option 1 doesn’t happen. But when it does the only truly logical thing to do is to sue.
As stated urgent care is performed as urgent as needed in a single payer system.
Can you please stop saying how the VA sucks without responding to my clear reasons why? Simply the VA sucks because the private insurance companies don’t cover high risk people, like the Vets.... so the VA is purely people that your wonderful private system won’t cover, because it doesn’t suit their needs, which is cash and paying for Vets does not fit their business model.
Surely you can understand this right?
Surely you can understand that even modifying a private system does not fix the fact the the business model is fundamentally opposed to the stated business intent. Please tell me how this can be fixed?
Quality - as a country when compared to other western countries with single payer their is zero evidence that the quality is higher. In fact their is a lot of evidence to the contrary... so guess if you want this you want single payer.
Choice - their is stories of people in America who get sick, the first thing they think is ‘where is the closest hospital in my insurance catchment... in Australia’s single payer system you have a choice of any public hospital in Australia. It’s covered under a single payer. So that’s more choice... not only that their is an additional private system so the choice is ‘any hospital in the country’ or ‘any hospital in the country plus the addition of a choice between private health insurance provided if so desired for specialist care’ - so single payer clearly has more choice.
Availability of services - see above.
So yeah on the three categories you see as a positive to America’s system is even better in a single payer system. Crazy to think about right. I suggest you do some research so that you aren’t a succumbing you the sheeple effect.
Not bad by any means, but the Australian system doesn't top my list among the best single payer systems, but at this point al most anything is better than the US system The US system may be good for the .05% richest people in the US only. In the Australian system, many innovative medicines are not available or are available until many years after other major countries because PBAC does not consider them cost effective at the price level manufacturers need to consider for a launch. It is often one of the last countries to adopt an innovative medicine because the authorities base their decisions on what I consider a flawed approach of QALY-based cost effectiveness. This is the same problem with the UK system. That said, you don't hear many complaints from the Australian public about access which makes it hard for global companies trying to launch innovative medical treatments in that country.
In my opinion, some of the better single payer systems can be found in Japan, Denmark, Austria, Spain, Italy, France, Belgium, etc. Germany is good for patients although it can be a nightmare dealing with the government for reimbursement of innovative new treatments.
Bottom of my list is UK, Australia, South Korea, Taiwan, and New Zealand, although they are usually pretty good with primary care treatment and do less well with specialized treatments, oncology and rare diseases since their policy is to focus on services that benefit the broadest population rather than severe diseases that effect fewer patients.
Canada is a mixed bag since each province can be like its own separate country sometimes.
I think the media is totally not doing its job in helping Americans understand the true differences and its frustrating when comparisons are made only to the UK and Canada with lots of twisted mis-info on top of that, Media should play the role of unbiased education of the public instead of only seeking spectacular headlines to generate clicks and empty biased articles. Even Bernie Sanders did a poor job of helping americans understand the differences, pros/cons, and comparative financials. As an American who has spent 30 years working with governments, patients and physicians in all these systems, I am convinced that 99% of Americans would be much happier with any national healthcare system that is run at least half-way decently and efficiently.. but they fear what they don't know and no one is helping them to understand and why I am on my soapbox now.
I've done plenty of reading on this and unlike you, I'm actually part of our system. I'm simply saying it has worked well for me. So stop telling me it hasn't!
Also, I said I paid 3K not 13K.
And it's a fact National healthcare is FAR FROM FREE. Like I said, Canada pays a lot for government run healthcare. That's a fact.
And, you're wrong about the VA. Its for all veterans, meant to be a benefit of lifetime healthcare for them. But it's a mess, with low quality care in many places.
It's totally owned and poorly manged by our government. My son just spent 8 plus years in the Air Force so I know a little bit about it.
All that said, we still have thousands of people every year, from all over the world who want to come here to pursue the American dream. So although we have our flaws, we must be doing something right. Life is good!!
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I just don't want to be forced into it. I don't have a lot of faith that our government can run such a big and complex healthcare system like ours for 330 million people. Especially when I talk with my colleague from Canada and I watch how the VA is run.
But there are many opinions on this, so we probably need to agree to disagree.
Then zacka said the same thing would have cost him $0 in his country. Thats entirely untrue. The money is still coming from the people. The government doesnt produce anything, it only takes from those who do produce. So govt run healthcare is still entirely funded by the tax payers. So your taxes, income taxes, property taxes, whatever name they put to it will reflect that. And is almost assuredly higher than in the us.
My problem with all of this is nobody is taking responsibility for themselves. Nobody plans, nobody saves, nobody is ready before they start a family, they constantly set themselves and their children, and their communities, and then their countries up for failure, by not doing the common sense things. Things that take planning, and discipline and are now considered old, like way old, fashioned.
Then as they run into problem after problem, as everyone will face problems and have no way to handle it because every step of the way theyve been incredibly negligent, they look for the govt or the "rich" to bail them out or to be angry at for holding them back/down and taking all the money from them causing them to be poor.
Its not just healthcare, this applies to so many big issues in the modern world. Everyone's living on emotion and instant gratification, with zero regard for responsibilities, discipline, delayed gratification, sacrifice for a safer and better future for themselves and their children.
I could go on and on. Yes big insurance sucks. Yes the government sucks. Neither are truly looking to help you only take from you. Its up to you to make better choices, elevate yourself and then your family tree after you and those around you. If you're looking for it to be "free" you're missing the likely 30-40+ % missing from your salary thats going to the entity that makes it "free."
Lets take a totally unrelated topic just for a second to relate to this unjust way of modern thinking.
New cars are said to be so expensive and so out of reach for average people. And also the average car payment in america is over $500 for like 70 or 80 month term. Its something outragously long.
Any way, theres plenty of brand new hyundai accents with a 10 year warranty for about 15k brand new which would be MASSIVELY less than 500 for 80 months. More like 200ish for 60 months.
But people dont want that. They dont want to accept where they are currently. They want the brand new higher end model for 50k while earning a 60k yearly salary with 2 kids and a 270k mortgage payment. Then when disaster strikes, like an illness or injury They are screwed... Discipline, and delayed gratification. People are leading lives they cant afford with zero self reponsibility of it.
I dont feel obligated that i should have to pay for other people's mistakes. For other people's poor planning and budgeting.
Thats what all the govt run programs do. They make the people who earn, produce, save, and plan, pay for all those who dont.
Imagine if all the people with 84 month $500 car payments had a paid for $5000 honda civic instead, that's 1000s upon 1000s in each persons bank account to be ready for life's issues and thats "insurance" against life. But theyd rather the new lexus 50k suv, with $0 in the bank, $0 insurance against life's problems, $0 inheritance and college fund for their children. But thank god they drove a nice new car, in a 3000 sq ft house, with a $1200 financed cell phone, etc etc.
Anyone saying it's free is ignorant of the facts.
I think even the rich Cain aka baby arm, aka loose handlebars aka single to tabletop dragged out close to that.
As far as the kid's condition, unless the family is posting here, the rest is speculation.
I am a capitalist and believe that market systems should be supported as far as possible with limited government involvement, but should always look to protect consumers from the shortcomings of a market system which can happen easily if for-profit entities have too much market power relative to the consumers. The government is not perfect, but there are certain areas that it can do better than most market systems such as national infrastructure, military/ defense, and social security which includes both retirement, employment, and medical benefits.
Right now we have a reverse-Robin Hood type system where they rob from the poor and give to the rich supported by the current corrupt political system. They will try to convince you that what every other develop country has been doing successfully for decades will result in the collapse of the US system, loss of choice, skyrocketing costs and reduced access and quality. Shame on you if you believe it. The current system is already resulting in reduced choice with the in/out of network costs, skyrocketing costs are happening as the private insurance companies jack up premiums and shift costs to you in the form of increased copays and coinsurance, deductibles are climbing higher and higher, and this results in reduced access and quality. Physicians are getting squeezed too by the insurance companies so they try to see more patients in a given hour and that impacts quality of care. The establishment that is promoting this bad state of affairs will mix up the nuances of communism and socialism to scare you that your freedom is being taken away, but it couldn't be further from the truth. We have had social security programs for a long time in a democratic and free united states... ever since the creation of Medicare and you should look at national health insurance for all as an extension of a program that most people in the US already support.
Also remember that private hospitals and physicians, as well as supplementary private health insurance, with free choice to chose any doctor you prefer, can still exist within a national health insurance system, because that is the way it already works in most other developed countries. In fact you will have more choice in choosing your doctor and hospital because we won't have anymore of this in-network/ out of network bullshit. We will have a lot less angry people in the US if healthcare is one less thing that we don't have to worry about personally bankrupting us.
Health insurance and how it's administered here in the U.S. is invariably intertwined with politics. We don't do politics in here. Not on regular years, and for sure not in election years. I also wouldn't presume to tell you how insurance works in Australia, or how it SHOULD work.
Let's let this one go.
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