Against the law for Eli to pay JS17?

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TDeath21 10/25/2019 10:49am
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Langston_fan wrote:
Just rewatched those last 3 laps. Going into that behind the stands section, there was the long lefty where joey let eli by. That corner was...
Just rewatched those last 3 laps. Going into that behind the stands section, there was the long lefty where joey let eli by. That corner was one lined...followed by the tight s section, again one lined, and then the long straight with the launch into the sand section into the final turn. Eli passing in the remaining portion of the track would’ve been very difficult. He basically would’ve had to bomb Joey up the inside, or go around the outside of Joey in the final corner (more likely). But he didn’t cause Joey pulled over. High five, thanks mate 😉
Yep that’s the thing apparently nobody here realizes. Lap times aren’t all that matters. This isn’t a time trial with one person on the track. He still had to make the pass. He wouldn’t have been able to do so at the current pace, given what remained on the track.
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Jt$ wrote:
Buy a Rolex and USPS it to his house. Drop off a briefcase with 25K in it. Send him and his wife to Hawaii. Open a...
Buy a Rolex and USPS it to his house. Drop off a briefcase with 25K in it. Send him and his wife to Hawaii. Open a tuition investment account for his newborn baby. There are literally a thousand ways that this could have been made right. The legal claim, while it may be technically applicable, is still completely laughable to me. What's right will always be right.
gt80rider wrote:
Laughable? You may wanna check into the gaming commission there in Nevada... They do Not look kindly on fixing the outcome of any event where money...
Laughable? You may wanna check into the gaming commission there in Nevada... They do Not look kindly on fixing the outcome of any event where money is bet in their state.....

For Eli to mysteriously drop off 25k n a suitcase (if you have ever done such a thing, an envelope will more than suffice) could be used as proof in court to collusion.... I highly doubt ET would adapt well to prison life....

Let's say you had bet 20k against Eli for the win.... Let's say you bet the entire rest of the field to beat him at mec (like I did against rc years ago, but that lil fucker still won!) ... you would be pretty pissed seeing Joey pull up at the end, not racing anymore, but fixing the outcome against you....
Fella do you understand the amount of involvement a heist like that would take to position Eli to finish 1st in all three races?!? The other 20 riders don’t give a damn if 2 people are throwing a race. This isn’t a boxing match or an mma fight. There is an entire field of racers out there and anything could happen. Joey could have let him by and Eli could have given him the entire million dollars! And the gaming commission couldn’t do shit!!!! There is uncontrollable variability in racing against an entire field of riders. Where are you coming up with this stuff?!?
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mx 219 10/25/2019 11:07am
10/25/2019 11:07am Edited Date/Time 10/25/2019 11:07am
Langston_fan wrote:
Just rewatched those last 3 laps. Going into that behind the stands section, there was the long lefty where joey let eli by. That corner was...
Just rewatched those last 3 laps. Going into that behind the stands section, there was the long lefty where joey let eli by. That corner was one lined...followed by the tight s section, again one lined, and then the long straight with the launch into the sand section into the final turn. Eli passing in the remaining portion of the track would’ve been very difficult. He basically would’ve had to bomb Joey up the inside, or go around the outside of Joey in the final corner (more likely). But he didn’t cause Joey pulled over. High five, thanks mate 😉
TDeath21 wrote:
Yep that’s the thing apparently nobody here realizes. Lap times aren’t all that matters. This isn’t a time trial with one person on the track. He...
Yep that’s the thing apparently nobody here realizes. Lap times aren’t all that matters. This isn’t a time trial with one person on the track. He still had to make the pass. He wouldn’t have been able to do so at the current pace, given what remained on the track.
I disagree, I think there is a 50/50 chance he makes the pass. He was right on Joey before the single outside of the stadium. He had like 2 turns to make it happen, if you have to barrel him out of the way.
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Matthes wrote:
There's so much stupid in this thread it's incredible.
much ty.


What's your take on it? Or is this just a drive by on your high horse?
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EngIceDave 10/25/2019 12:35pm
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Jt$ wrote:
Buy a Rolex and USPS it to his house. Drop off a briefcase with 25K in it. Send him and his wife to Hawaii. Open a...
Buy a Rolex and USPS it to his house. Drop off a briefcase with 25K in it. Send him and his wife to Hawaii. Open a tuition investment account for his newborn baby. There are literally a thousand ways that this could have been made right. The legal claim, while it may be technically applicable, is still completely laughable to me. What's right will always be right.
gt80rider wrote:
Laughable? You may wanna check into the gaming commission there in Nevada... They do Not look kindly on fixing the outcome of any event where money...
Laughable? You may wanna check into the gaming commission there in Nevada... They do Not look kindly on fixing the outcome of any event where money is bet in their state.....

For Eli to mysteriously drop off 25k n a suitcase (if you have ever done such a thing, an envelope will more than suffice) could be used as proof in court to collusion.... I highly doubt ET would adapt well to prison life....

Let's say you had bet 20k against Eli for the win.... Let's say you bet the entire rest of the field to beat him at mec (like I did against rc years ago, but that lil fucker still won!) ... you would be pretty pissed seeing Joey pull up at the end, not racing anymore, but fixing the outcome against you....
Tell us who was making book on the last couple MEC's
One, where you made a legal casino bet
Just one book
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Jt$ 10/25/2019 12:45pm
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gt80rider wrote:
Laughable? You may wanna check into the gaming commission there in Nevada... They do Not look kindly on fixing the outcome of any event where money...
Laughable? You may wanna check into the gaming commission there in Nevada... They do Not look kindly on fixing the outcome of any event where money is bet in their state.....

For Eli to mysteriously drop off 25k n a suitcase (if you have ever done such a thing, an envelope will more than suffice) could be used as proof in court to collusion.... I highly doubt ET would adapt well to prison life....

Let's say you had bet 20k against Eli for the win.... Let's say you bet the entire rest of the field to beat him at mec (like I did against rc years ago, but that lil fucker still won!) ... you would be pretty pissed seeing Joey pull up at the end, not racing anymore, but fixing the outcome against you....
Money is not bet on that event anymore, sorry. Many years ago, yes. Otherwise, interesting but ridiculous read.
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APLMAN99 10/25/2019 12:54pm
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disbanded wrote:
Savatgy puts his hand up and wants to get paid for it? Bullshit!
Jt$ wrote:
So, if you moved over and increased your teammate's earnings by 900k (pre-tax etc), you would be cool with him not even acknowledging the gesture? Got...
So, if you moved over and increased your teammate's earnings by 900k (pre-tax etc), you would be cool with him not even acknowledging the gesture? Got it. I would not. Maybe I am alone in that sentiment but doing the right thing never goes out of style.
“The right thing to do” is a moral judgement. It’s hard to overlook the morality of allowing another rider to win and jump straight to the other guy.

If you truly believe that mantra, you should be pretty upset at Savatgy for his actions that resulted in someone having to pay out an extra $1.9M in prize money. But no one will be because there are times when doing the right thing isn’t in style.....
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EngIceDave 10/25/2019 1:22pm
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Anyone find a casino covering the MEC bet yet?

Let me know, please
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RichieW13 10/25/2019 1:24pm
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Langston_fan wrote:
Just rewatched those last 3 laps. Going into that behind the stands section, there was the long lefty where joey let eli by. That corner was...
Just rewatched those last 3 laps. Going into that behind the stands section, there was the long lefty where joey let eli by. That corner was one lined...followed by the tight s section, again one lined, and then the long straight with the launch into the sand section into the final turn. Eli passing in the remaining portion of the track would’ve been very difficult. He basically would’ve had to bomb Joey up the inside, or go around the outside of Joey in the final corner (more likely). But he didn’t cause Joey pulled over. High five, thanks mate 😉
TDeath21 wrote:
Yep that’s the thing apparently nobody here realizes. Lap times aren’t all that matters. This isn’t a time trial with one person on the track. He...
Yep that’s the thing apparently nobody here realizes. Lap times aren’t all that matters. This isn’t a time trial with one person on the track. He still had to make the pass. He wouldn’t have been able to do so at the current pace, given what remained on the track.
mx 219 wrote:
I disagree, I think there is a 50/50 chance he makes the pass. He was right on Joey before the single outside of the stadium. He...
I disagree, I think there is a 50/50 chance he makes the pass. He was right on Joey before the single outside of the stadium. He had like 2 turns to make it happen, if you have to barrel him out of the way.
Yeah, it's too bad Joey let him by, because it would have been fun to watch them duke it out.

Tomac made up about 5 bike lengths in the straightaway heading out of the stadium to get on Joey's wheel. Then he would have had one more straightaway coming back into the stadium that would have given him a good chance for the pass.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BEhjO3fRKGo&t=141s
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Jt$ 10/25/2019 1:35pm
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disbanded wrote:
Savatgy puts his hand up and wants to get paid for it? Bullshit!
Jt$ wrote:
So, if you moved over and increased your teammate's earnings by 900k (pre-tax etc), you would be cool with him not even acknowledging the gesture? Got...
So, if you moved over and increased your teammate's earnings by 900k (pre-tax etc), you would be cool with him not even acknowledging the gesture? Got it. I would not. Maybe I am alone in that sentiment but doing the right thing never goes out of style.
APLMAN99 wrote:
“The right thing to do” is a moral judgement. It’s hard to overlook the morality of allowing another rider to win and jump straight to the...
“The right thing to do” is a moral judgement. It’s hard to overlook the morality of allowing another rider to win and jump straight to the other guy.

If you truly believe that mantra, you should be pretty upset at Savatgy for his actions that resulted in someone having to pay out an extra $1.9M in prize money. But no one will be because there are times when doing the right thing isn’t in style.....
Feel free to twist the verbiage however you want. You will never be able to convince me on a different take of the situation. I knew better than to post and still did anyway. That's my fault for not just staying above this mess.
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ky_savage 10/25/2019 1:59pm
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Is this still in the news one year later?
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soren346 10/25/2019 2:02pm
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Jeff_Crutcher wrote:
Why is this still being talked about?
Because it's a three pager already... You're reading it. Lol
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EngIceDave 10/25/2019 2:08pm
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EngIceDave wrote:
Anyone find a casino covering the MEC bet yet?

Let me know, please
Ahem...
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soren346 10/25/2019 2:08pm
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disbanded wrote:
Savatgy puts his hand up and wants to get paid for it? Bullshit!
Jt$ wrote:
So, if you moved over and increased your teammate's earnings by 900k (pre-tax etc), you would be cool with him not even acknowledging the gesture? Got...
So, if you moved over and increased your teammate's earnings by 900k (pre-tax etc), you would be cool with him not even acknowledging the gesture? Got it. I would not. Maybe I am alone in that sentiment but doing the right thing never goes out of style.
disbanded wrote:
What Joey did was a fucking embarrassment to the sport!
As some posters here are an embarrassment to this forum... And this sport. DISBANDED.
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soren346 wrote:
As some posters here are an embarrassment to this forum... And this sport. DISBANDED.
You got me there
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DanDunes818 10/25/2019 2:47pm
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Jt$ wrote:
So, if you moved over and increased your teammate's earnings by 900k (pre-tax etc), you would be cool with him not even acknowledging the gesture? Got...
So, if you moved over and increased your teammate's earnings by 900k (pre-tax etc), you would be cool with him not even acknowledging the gesture? Got it. I would not. Maybe I am alone in that sentiment but doing the right thing never goes out of style.
APLMAN99 wrote:
“The right thing to do” is a moral judgement. It’s hard to overlook the morality of allowing another rider to win and jump straight to the...
“The right thing to do” is a moral judgement. It’s hard to overlook the morality of allowing another rider to win and jump straight to the other guy.

If you truly believe that mantra, you should be pretty upset at Savatgy for his actions that resulted in someone having to pay out an extra $1.9M in prize money. But no one will be because there are times when doing the right thing isn’t in style.....
Jt$ wrote:
Feel free to twist the verbiage however you want. You will never be able to convince me on a different take of the situation. I knew...
Feel free to twist the verbiage however you want. You will never be able to convince me on a different take of the situation. I knew better than to post and still did anyway. That's my fault for not just staying above this mess.
JT, with your 500 different jobs how do you find the time to argue with these people? I'm getting seriously frustrated just reading their fanboy arguments and your replies.
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wnorton729 10/25/2019 4:29pm
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Thisusernameisavailable wrote:
Joey was definitely riding at 100% that last lap.. [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2019/10/25/381334/s1200_A246ABAC_65C8_46B0_B089_869A6059BC4B.jpg[/img]
Joey was definitely riding at 100% that last lap..
Eli should have blasted the outside around him, that’d been awesome.
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1911 wrote:
[img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2019/10/25/381322/s1200_D623369C_8BAB_4834_AFF1_104339F9DCAC.jpg[/img]

Hannah pulled over a few times, even though he didn’t win he got the win bonuses
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Ted722 10/25/2019 5:37pm
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1911 wrote:
[img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2019/10/25/381322/s1200_D623369C_8BAB_4834_AFF1_104339F9DCAC.jpg[/img]

Uncle Tony wrote:
Hannah pulled over a few times, even though he didn’t win he got the win bonuses
Yes, the infamous Jody Weisel (MXA) pic. Heading the pit board and pulling over for teammate Glover. Bailey too in Hurricane’s Honda days. Don’t think Hannah would have pulled over for Eli.
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Ted722 wrote:
Yes, the infamous Jody Weisel (MXA) pic. Heading the pit board and pulling over for teammate Glover. Bailey too in Hurricane’s Honda days. Don’t think Hannah...
Yes, the infamous Jody Weisel (MXA) pic. Heading the pit board and pulling over for teammate Glover. Bailey too in Hurricane’s Honda days. Don’t think Hannah would have pulled over for Eli.
I do not think he got paid for pulling over at Honda?
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Crush 10/25/2019 5:59pm
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Matthes wrote:
There's so much stupid in this thread it's incredible.
As stupid as America never winning the MXdN again?
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hamncheeze 10/25/2019 6:38pm
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When it comes to Tomac: All I know for sure is there was no bunching in Las Vegas 2017. Even 'Fro and Ralph said it was just a great night for a guy like Reed to ride himself into contention for a win. Heart of a lion and all that.

Participation in this thread is only making us more dumberer.
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APLMAN99 10/26/2019 2:42pm
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Jt$ wrote:
So, if you moved over and increased your teammate's earnings by 900k (pre-tax etc), you would be cool with him not even acknowledging the gesture? Got...
So, if you moved over and increased your teammate's earnings by 900k (pre-tax etc), you would be cool with him not even acknowledging the gesture? Got it. I would not. Maybe I am alone in that sentiment but doing the right thing never goes out of style.
APLMAN99 wrote:
“The right thing to do” is a moral judgement. It’s hard to overlook the morality of allowing another rider to win and jump straight to the...
“The right thing to do” is a moral judgement. It’s hard to overlook the morality of allowing another rider to win and jump straight to the other guy.

If you truly believe that mantra, you should be pretty upset at Savatgy for his actions that resulted in someone having to pay out an extra $1.9M in prize money. But no one will be because there are times when doing the right thing isn’t in style.....
Jt$ wrote:
Feel free to twist the verbiage however you want. You will never be able to convince me on a different take of the situation. I knew...
Feel free to twist the verbiage however you want. You will never be able to convince me on a different take of the situation. I knew better than to post and still did anyway. That's my fault for not just staying above this mess.
I'm not twisting verbiage. If you are trying to pin this as a 'right vs wrong' thing, then that makes it an ethical issue. I'm simply pointing out that you aren't considering the ethics fully.

I do agree that it wasn't a great idea to frame it as an ethical issue in the first place.....
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TDeath21 10/26/2019 6:12pm
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Langston_fan wrote:
Just rewatched those last 3 laps. Going into that behind the stands section, there was the long lefty where joey let eli by. That corner was...
Just rewatched those last 3 laps. Going into that behind the stands section, there was the long lefty where joey let eli by. That corner was one lined...followed by the tight s section, again one lined, and then the long straight with the launch into the sand section into the final turn. Eli passing in the remaining portion of the track would’ve been very difficult. He basically would’ve had to bomb Joey up the inside, or go around the outside of Joey in the final corner (more likely). But he didn’t cause Joey pulled over. High five, thanks mate 😉
TDeath21 wrote:
Yep that’s the thing apparently nobody here realizes. Lap times aren’t all that matters. This isn’t a time trial with one person on the track. He...
Yep that’s the thing apparently nobody here realizes. Lap times aren’t all that matters. This isn’t a time trial with one person on the track. He still had to make the pass. He wouldn’t have been able to do so at the current pace, given what remained on the track.
mx 219 wrote:
I disagree, I think there is a 50/50 chance he makes the pass. He was right on Joey before the single outside of the stadium. He...
I disagree, I think there is a 50/50 chance he makes the pass. He was right on Joey before the single outside of the stadium. He had like 2 turns to make it happen, if you have to barrel him out of the way.
There were no passing opportunities left. Maybe in the sand. Maybe. But all Joey had to do there was keep the inside line and he’d have been fine.
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lostboy819 10/26/2019 7:21pm
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TDeath21 wrote:
There were no passing opportunities left. Maybe in the sand. Maybe. But all Joey had to do there was keep the inside line and he’d have...
There were no passing opportunities left. Maybe in the sand. Maybe. But all Joey had to do there was keep the inside line and he’d have been fine.
Tomac would have cleaned him out just like Osborne did. JS17 cant even go to take a piss anymore without looking over his shoulder. Cool
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deluxeman 10/26/2019 7:21pm
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The best thing about this whole scenario is that Eli finally has to shut his mouth about the Musquin/Dungey incident in 2017.
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TDeath21 10/26/2019 7:37pm
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TDeath21 wrote:
There were no passing opportunities left. Maybe in the sand. Maybe. But all Joey had to do there was keep the inside line and he’d have...
There were no passing opportunities left. Maybe in the sand. Maybe. But all Joey had to do there was keep the inside line and he’d have been fine.
lostboy819 wrote:
Tomac would have cleaned him out just like Osborne did. JS17 cant even go to take a piss anymore without looking over his shoulder. Cool
There wasn’t a spot for a takeout opportunity. Unless he cut the track which would obviously be a DQ. It was tight S turn to sand section to sweeping uphill left hander. Joey stays inside and doesn’t fuck up in the sand and it’s his, no matter what Tomac does.
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SPYGUY 10/26/2019 9:09pm
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deluxeman wrote:
The best thing about this whole scenario is that Eli finally has to shut his mouth about the Musquin/Dungey incident in 2017.
Two very different scenarios.

Musquin pulling over for Dungey had championship implications affecting a rider other than himself and Dungey.

Savatgy pulling over affected absolutely no one else outside of Savatgy and Tomac.
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