Against the law for Eli to pay JS17?

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10/26/2019 9:29pm
deluxeman wrote:
The best thing about this whole scenario is that Eli finally has to shut his mouth about the Musquin/Dungey incident in 2017.
SPYGUY wrote:
Two very different scenarios. Musquin pulling over for Dungey had championship implications affecting a rider other than himself and Dungey. Savatgy pulling over affected absolutely no...
Two very different scenarios.

Musquin pulling over for Dungey had championship implications affecting a rider other than himself and Dungey.

Savatgy pulling over affected absolutely no one else outside of Savatgy and Tomac.
Tomac's crash and subsequent lackluster ride at that round was THE championship implication
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10/26/2019 10:13pm
deluxeman wrote:
The best thing about this whole scenario is that Eli finally has to shut his mouth about the Musquin/Dungey incident in 2017.
SPYGUY wrote:
Two very different scenarios. Musquin pulling over for Dungey had championship implications affecting a rider other than himself and Dungey. Savatgy pulling over affected absolutely no...
Two very different scenarios.

Musquin pulling over for Dungey had championship implications affecting a rider other than himself and Dungey.

Savatgy pulling over affected absolutely no one else outside of Savatgy and Tomac.
Monster would beg to differ.
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10/27/2019 12:53am
deluxeman wrote:
The best thing about this whole scenario is that Eli finally has to shut his mouth about the Musquin/Dungey incident in 2017.
SPYGUY wrote:
Two very different scenarios. Musquin pulling over for Dungey had championship implications affecting a rider other than himself and Dungey. Savatgy pulling over affected absolutely no...
Two very different scenarios.

Musquin pulling over for Dungey had championship implications affecting a rider other than himself and Dungey.

Savatgy pulling over affected absolutely no one else outside of Savatgy and Tomac.
And the company who had to sign the check.
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10/27/2019 4:18am Edited Date/Time 10/27/2019 4:43am
Eli tomac is lame, hates racing for his country and now this . Real lame.
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10/27/2019 4:29am
Here’s a thought....

Let Eli worry about what he does with his business and quit creating something from nothing!

Enjoy our sport of RACING!

Cheers!
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10/27/2019 5:17am
Eli tomac is lame, hates racing for his country and now this . Real lame.
He raced 3 mxon events so far. If you want to complain about not racing for their countries, add a bunch more names to your list.
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10/27/2019 6:32pm
SEE ARE125 wrote:
Guess I’m in the minority, but I’d be pissed if I was Tomac. I’d be pissed he let me by, especially if I knew I had...
Guess I’m in the minority, but I’d be pissed if I was Tomac. I’d be pissed he let me by, especially if I knew I had him. I prefer earning what I get as opposed to receiving handouts and favors. Plus, it just creates a hollow victory by making everyone think “Oh he probably wouldn’t have won the million if Savatgy didn’t help him out.” Then Savatgy expects to be compensated for it? lol Like I said, I guess I’m in the minority because I expect to race fairly. Don’t do me dirty, but don’t do me any favors either. When you lay down at night, there’s a certain peace of mind that comes from knowing you earned everything fair and square.

I think Tomac was gonna pass him regardless. I think Tomac knew it. I think Savatgy knew it. I think Savatgy waved him by hoping to get a kickback knowing Tomac was going to pass him anyway. I mean hell, if you’re gonna get passed, you might as well get paid for it, right?
Just like Tomac knew he was going to pass AC at this years MEC, OH, thats right........
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10/27/2019 7:30pm
I lost some respect for Eli... he’s one of my favorite riders and liked him as a person but what they did to Joey is bullshit! Tomac isn’t even denying it either, just saying “It’s against the law to talk about it” ..... dick move!
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10/28/2019 2:32am
zippytech wrote:
I just don't understand why anyone thinks Eli owes hims anything, Joey made the mistake , not Eli...
AZRider wrote:
Its just professional courtesy. Wasnt required, but something that could have made ET look good from a PR standpoint. Paying it forward is a good thing.
In Britain we say "If you can help me out with this I'll give you a 'drink' for it."

A 'drink' being £20-£50-£100, depending on the favour.

A friend of mine runs a bar. He was approached by Greene King (Brewery) who wanted to win his business supplying alcohol for a four year period. Within negotiations, Greene King personally paid him £10k in exchange for giving them all of his business for four years.
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10/28/2019 3:42am
Go Tomac ! All these fools on the fuck Tomac bandwagon now and why ? Because he wouldn't reward a sandbagger who threw a race ? And now he doesn't want to be his friend either ?

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If I made someone 900k richer, out of just pure good will, and the fucker couldn't even bother to stick back the prize money I lost by doing so let alone a small bonus, I'd be so royally pissed and probably punch the guy right between his eyes.

That said, I don't agree with how Joey handled it recently. Just comes across whiney. One minute he says he doesn't expected anything in return and the next complaining he didn't get anything in return.

I would have very much expected something in return.

Still the right thing to do. They could never get that to "fixing the results". It was so clearly a spontaneous decision.
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10/28/2019 5:36pm
Should there be team tactics beforehand? Trophy or money? It’s a one-off race . I recall a couple years ago at an enduro cross race Knight was in position to win big bueno but his teammate edged him out. knight lost his shit on his teamate.The team doesn’t win big$$ but get a trophy anyway. Maybe JS played his cards but no bueno.jmo
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10/28/2019 6:02pm
If I were in Eli's position, If there were nothing worked out in advance, I wouldn't be very happy about him so obviously waving me by. I'd be thinking maybe he did it to guilt me into sharing the cash with him, when I more than likely would have passed him anyway.

And if they had made an arrangement, I'd have been totally ticked off that he did it the way he did that I might have not given him anything. There is no way, besides holding up a sign saying "PASS ME NOW AND SHARE THE WEALTH" that could have looked worse.

At least Marvin acted like he missed a rut.

And if I'd been in Joey's place, I wouldn't have made any deal, and I sure wouldn't have pulled over.

If they made a deal, it's just wrong in my opinion.

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10/28/2019 6:57pm Edited Date/Time 10/28/2019 6:58pm
Beaudzz118 wrote:
Should there be team tactics beforehand? Trophy or money? It’s a one-off race . I recall a couple years ago at an enduro cross race Knight...
Should there be team tactics beforehand? Trophy or money? It’s a one-off race . I recall a couple years ago at an enduro cross race Knight was in position to win big bueno but his teammate edged him out. knight lost his shit on his teamate.The team doesn’t win big$$ but get a trophy anyway. Maybe JS played his cards but no bueno.jmo
There has been team tactics since the start of MX ,deff not a new thing !!
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10/28/2019 7:50pm
If you don’t like Eli you are going always be against him. Joey pulled over he could have tried to win the last main without getting passed.
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10/29/2019 9:50am Edited Date/Time 10/29/2019 9:50am
Joey was definitely riding at 100% that last lap.. [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2019/10/25/381334/s1200_A246ABAC_65C8_46B0_B089_869A6059BC4B.jpg[/img]
Joey was definitely riding at 100% that last lap..
As a racer, you just don't do what Joey did here. Slowing down is one thing, putting your hand up is another. He 'wanted' everyone to know he 'let' Eli win.
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10/29/2019 10:05am
Joey was definitely riding at 100% that last lap.. [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2019/10/25/381334/s1200_A246ABAC_65C8_46B0_B089_869A6059BC4B.jpg[/img]
Joey was definitely riding at 100% that last lap..
kpiper wrote:
As a racer, you just don't do what Joey did here. Slowing down is one thing, putting your hand up is another. He 'wanted' everyone to...
As a racer, you just don't do what Joey did here. Slowing down is one thing, putting your hand up is another. He 'wanted' everyone to know he 'let' Eli win.
He gave himself up he could have been passed we will never know
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1911 wrote:
[img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2019/10/25/381322/s1200_D623369C_8BAB_4834_AFF1_104339F9DCAC.jpg[/img]

Yamaha paid Hannah, not "Brock" and Bob had to go demand it from them.
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10/29/2019 11:05am Edited Date/Time 10/29/2019 11:35am
EngIceDave wrote:
Anyone find a casino covering the MEC bet yet?

Let me know, please
MEC doesn't qualify to as a Nevada gaming event, which requires sports be held under a sanctioning body. Regular SX races meet that requirement under FIM.

That said, I would be surprised if Monster/Feld's legal team let the prize qualifications out without some sort of caveat.

As example, here is part of the prize qualification from the US Open Golf Tournament, with a top prize of over $3M:
"By application, the player certifies that he has not entered into and will not enter into any arrangement whereby he could have a financial interest in any other player's prize money (such as through prize- splitting or prize money "insurance")."
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10/29/2019 11:46am
sumdood wrote:
Go Tomac ! All these fools on the fuck Tomac bandwagon now and why ? Because he wouldn't reward a sandbagger who threw a race...
Go Tomac ! All these fools on the fuck Tomac bandwagon now and why ? Because he wouldn't reward a sandbagger who threw a race ? And now he doesn't want to be his friend either ?

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That ' sandbagger ' made him 900k (!) more with that move. If someone would give up 20-30k of their own price money to make ME 900k more, I'd definitely compensate him for that. Especially if it is my new teammate. If you can't look at it that way, you're in my opinion a plain egocentric dickhead.

I have all the respect in the world for Tomac and his work ethic, but the way he handles this shows a lot about his personality and it is ugly. You all can disagree with me as much as you want, but it is just how I see it lol.
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10/29/2019 6:28pm
In the truest sense, Eli is correct. It’s illegal.

On the other hand:

“Hey Joey. Really great race tonight. Listen, I’d really like the helmet that you wore for my collection. I’ll give you 50 grand”.
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10/29/2019 8:04pm
Tbteam wrote:
In the truest sense, Eli is correct. It’s illegal. On the other hand: “Hey Joey. Really great race tonight. Listen, I’d really like the helmet that...
In the truest sense, Eli is correct. It’s illegal.

On the other hand:

“Hey Joey. Really great race tonight. Listen, I’d really like the helmet that you wore for my collection. I’ll give you 50 grand”.
$2500 a year for 20 years, right ?
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10/29/2019 9:30pm
Did no one watch the race last year? People are arguing like this happened two weekends ago. It’s done with, who cares
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gt80rider wrote:
Laughable? You may wanna check into the gaming commission there in Nevada... They do Not look kindly on fixing the outcome of any event where money...
Laughable? You may wanna check into the gaming commission there in Nevada... They do Not look kindly on fixing the outcome of any event where money is bet in their state.....

For Eli to mysteriously drop off 25k n a suitcase (if you have ever done such a thing, an envelope will more than suffice) could be used as proof in court to collusion.... I highly doubt ET would adapt well to prison life....

Let's say you had bet 20k against Eli for the win.... Let's say you bet the entire rest of the field to beat him at mec (like I did against rc years ago, but that lil fucker still won!) ... you would be pretty pissed seeing Joey pull up at the end, not racing anymore, but fixing the outcome against you....
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Money is not bet on that event anymore, sorry. Many years ago, yes. Otherwise, interesting but ridiculous read.
And only at the MGM GRAND.
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10/29/2019 11:00pm
Ya wanna know how I can knowingly determine that someone is a complete idiot?

When said idiot calls a pro like Joey Savatgy a "Sand Bagger".

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10/30/2019 1:34am
TeamGreen wrote:
Ya wanna know how I can knowingly determine that someone is a complete idiot?

When said idiot calls a pro like Joey Savatgy a "Sand Bagger".

What term do you use for guys that slow down and not win a race on purpose ?
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10/30/2019 4:19am
TeamGreen wrote:
Ya wanna know how I can knowingly determine that someone is a complete idiot?

When said idiot calls a pro like Joey Savatgy a "Sand Bagger".

sumdood wrote:
What term do you use for guys that slow down and not win a race on purpose ?
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10/30/2019 10:17am

Couple things.

1). JS17 gave up roughly 30K to let Ely pass him.

2). It is illegal to fix the outcome of a race ie. pulling over.

AMA RULEBOOK
Section A2.2 line c
"Abetting or knowingly engaging in any race in which the result is “fixed” or prearranged."

Then there' s "D" & "E".
d. "Giving, offering or promising, directly or indirectly, any bribe in any form to any person in an attempt to
circumvent AMA Pro Racing rules or procedures or to otherwise gain an advantage"
e. "Accepting or offering to accept any bribe in any form from any person in an attempt to circumvent AMA Pro
Racing rules or procedures or to otherwise gain an unfair advantage."

So there is no question it is "illegal" according to the sanctioning body they race under. But we all know it happens all the time. The rub is that Ely completely blew JS17 off. There is no clear "rule" on what to do here.

But your character will be displayed by your actions. I can see if in the last minute ET3's attorney said, "Hey you in no way can show any sign of being involved with a conspiracy to defraud Feld out of one million dollars. This would explain Ely's complete silence thereafter. But then yes, there are other ways to thank a person who just handed you the million.

Then there are those who had placed bets on SV17. how would you like to be a person who bet a grip of money on him to place where he was going to place only to see him pull over in the 2nd to the last turn?

As a fan I LOVE the drama. We need more of it. But if I were Ely I woulda made dang sure JS17 KNEW I was thankful for his gift.
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