JGR going bye-bye?

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twotwosix wrote:
Reedy got a Honda 450 from MM this week.
VicDaMoan03 wrote:
marvin musquin?
...Metal Mulisha?
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zippytech 10/7/2019 12:50pm
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kkawboy14 wrote:
JGR doesn’t need Suzuki money to be in business!
scott_nz wrote:
But probably do need the money to make a profit out of their mx team , and they are not a charity It’s scary for the...
But probably do need the money to make a profit out of their mx team , and they are not a charity

It’s scary for the sport even with the contacts and resources they have to run the sponsorship for the nascar Teams they can’t get an outside Industry sponsor for the mx team
No being a smart ass but just how does JGR make money off a mx team?
dickjackson170 10/7/2019 12:57pm
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BobPA wrote:
Can’t find cheap dirt bikes? Facebook and Craigslist are littered with old competitive two strokes....cheap. People are just not that into motorcycles anymore.
soggy wrote:
those cheap bikes usually need hundreds to thousands of dollars to run/ride reliably
Lol, wrong. Unless you're trying to make the night show at Anaheim. Which most people are not.
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colvin227 10/7/2019 11:13pm
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Matthes wrote:
Savatgy going there this week to start some testing.
This could be a good sign.....not a big savatgy fan, but I am a Suzuki and JGR fan so fingers crossed all works out
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Matthes wrote:
Savatgy going there this week to start some testing.
Mr. Afterbar wrote:
Hell yeah!
If Joey is going to be on a Suzuki in Australia.. The only decent Suzuki id say would be built by Byrners Suzuki in Seaford Victoria with SPMX Suspension. Steve Powell builds great suspension and engine packages so the bikes will be good. Jayden Rykers is our top Suzuki guy in his rookie 450 season in 2019. Jayden proved the Suzuki was very completive against all of them factory bikes. Joey has dealt with Byrners Suzuki in Australia before on 85's
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Spat24 10/8/2019 7:04am
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Anyone in the NC area that can go take a look at their test track to see who is riding?
Yeah - I know it is not as easy as it sounds but someone can give it a try!!
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twotwosix 10/8/2019 7:08am
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twotwosix wrote:
Reedy got a Honda 450 from MM this week.
VicDaMoan03 wrote:
marvin musquin?
Brent wrote:
...Metal Mulisha?
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c0ncEpT 10/8/2019 7:24am
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miketherider wrote:
Suzuki's bottom line certainly wasn't helped by this:

https://www.ocregister.com/2019/10/03/yorba-linda-accountant-arrested-o…
I may have read the financials wrong but I believe Suzuki's net profit from 2018 was $2,215,604,111.00 USD

1.8 Million sounds like a huge chunk of money to the average person but in the grand scheme of Suzukis business its a drop in the hat.
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MudPup545 10/8/2019 7:42am
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zippytech wrote:
No being a smart ass but just how does JGR make money off a mx team?
From all the merchandise that Feld/Monster allows them to sell at Supercross events. Oh...wait, never mind. 🙄
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zippytech wrote:
No being a smart ass but just how does JGR make money off a mx team?
MudPup545 wrote:
From all the merchandise that Feld/Monster allows them to sell at Supercross events. Oh...wait, never mind. 🙄
Jgr has a online store you can buy from.
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dirtworldmx 10/8/2019 7:49am
10/8/2019 7:49am Edited Date/Time 10/8/2019 7:50am
JGR screwed themselves by choosing Yamaha and then Suzuki as their bikes. Sure their shop is great, but starting with the worst possible baseline hasn't helped bring in the results and sponsorship money. How great would Barcia have been on a JGR Honda.....
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ML512 10/8/2019 7:52am
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Spat24 wrote:
Anyone in the NC area that can go take a look at their test track to see who is riding? Yeah - I know it is...
Anyone in the NC area that can go take a look at their test track to see who is riding?
Yeah - I know it is not as easy as it sounds but someone can give it a try!!
Their test track isn't like the ones in SoCal where you can just drive up to them and watch...
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MudPup545 10/8/2019 7:58am
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zippytech wrote:
No being a smart ass but just how does JGR make money off a mx team?
MudPup545 wrote:
From all the merchandise that Feld/Monster allows them to sell at Supercross events. Oh...wait, never mind. 🙄
mxb2 wrote:
Jgr has a online store you can buy from.
Us hardcore fans know that. But when the casual fan attends the race at their nearest stadium they have no clue. Parents are forced to buy whatever is approved by Feld and/or Monster. Little Johnny might be interested in a cool JGR souvenir if it were available on the concourse. Not saying that it would generate the funds needed to support a team but, it certainly wouldn’t hurt.
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c0ncEpT 10/8/2019 8:01am
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dirtworldmx wrote:
JGR screwed themselves by choosing Yamaha and then Suzuki as their bikes. Sure their shop is great, but starting with the worst possible baseline hasn't helped...
JGR screwed themselves by choosing Yamaha and then Suzuki as their bikes. Sure their shop is great, but starting with the worst possible baseline hasn't helped bring in the results and sponsorship money. How great would Barcia have been on a JGR Honda.....
You mean when they switched to the bike that has just won the Outdoor title in absolutely dominating fashion the prior year...
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mxb2 10/8/2019 8:05am
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MudPup545 wrote:
From all the merchandise that Feld/Monster allows them to sell at Supercross events. Oh...wait, never mind. 🙄
mxb2 wrote:
Jgr has a online store you can buy from.
MudPup545 wrote:
Us hardcore fans know that. But when the casual fan attends the race at their nearest stadium they have no clue. Parents are forced to buy...
Us hardcore fans know that. But when the casual fan attends the race at their nearest stadium they have no clue. Parents are forced to buy whatever is approved by Feld and/or Monster. Little Johnny might be interested in a cool JGR souvenir if it were available on the concourse. Not saying that it would generate the funds needed to support a team but, it certainly wouldn’t hurt.
True,. But if lil johnny really likes jgr or his parents did. They would know how to purchase stuff online and its probably cheaper. Cool
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Dirty Points 10/8/2019 8:15am
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mxb2 wrote:
Jgr has a online store you can buy from.
MudPup545 wrote:
Us hardcore fans know that. But when the casual fan attends the race at their nearest stadium they have no clue. Parents are forced to buy...
Us hardcore fans know that. But when the casual fan attends the race at their nearest stadium they have no clue. Parents are forced to buy whatever is approved by Feld and/or Monster. Little Johnny might be interested in a cool JGR souvenir if it were available on the concourse. Not saying that it would generate the funds needed to support a team but, it certainly wouldn’t hurt.
mxb2 wrote:
True,. But if lil johnny really likes jgr or his parents did. They would know how to purchase stuff online and its probably cheaper. Cool
You don't go to a spectator event for low, low closeout prices on wares.

Any merch is part of the family entertainment budget, and everyone knows it isn't value priced. Its purpose is as a souvenir to keep memory of a fun outing, a purely emotionally-driven purchase that fails to check those boxes if just an online bargain buy.

And how is a kid going to get his favorite rider to sign the hat you are going to later purchase online?
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dirtworldmx 10/8/2019 8:20am
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dirtworldmx wrote:
JGR screwed themselves by choosing Yamaha and then Suzuki as their bikes. Sure their shop is great, but starting with the worst possible baseline hasn't helped...
JGR screwed themselves by choosing Yamaha and then Suzuki as their bikes. Sure their shop is great, but starting with the worst possible baseline hasn't helped bring in the results and sponsorship money. How great would Barcia have been on a JGR Honda.....
c0ncEpT wrote:
You mean when they switched to the bike that has just won the Outdoor title in absolutely dominating fashion the prior year...
I think it's fair to say that their bikes have always held back their riders.
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hamncheeze 10/8/2019 8:27am
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dirtworldmx wrote:
I think it's fair to say that their bikes have always held back their riders.
You mean the bike Barcia was winning outdoor motos on in 2015 was holding him back? Or the bike Brayton rode in to a near victory in Phoenix 2014? Or the one Millsaps rode to 2nd in the SX series in 2012?

My take from afar on JGR is that maybe the team has suffered from its low-key vibe. They operate as a big family, not nearly as corporate as say factory Kawi or Honda. Maybe that vibe just does not promote enough pressure to push riders to their absolute best. I don't know, I'm just spitballing here. But I'm not going to blame their bikes.
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olds cool 10/8/2019 9:49am
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Spat24 wrote:
Anyone in the NC area that can go take a look at their test track to see who is riding? Yeah - I know it is...
Anyone in the NC area that can go take a look at their test track to see who is riding?
Yeah - I know it is not as easy as it sounds but someone can give it a try!!
ML512 wrote:
Their test track isn't like the ones in SoCal where you can just drive up to them and watch...
This.

I live about 5 or 6 miles from the track. It’s down a private dirt road with a gate at their entrance. Heavily wooded, so you can’t see anything from outside. You’ll have to get the guy that flew the drone over Stew’s place to do some recon but it’s likely to get shot down. We like our target practice around here. Wink
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dirtworldmx wrote:
JGR screwed themselves by choosing Yamaha and then Suzuki as their bikes. Sure their shop is great, but starting with the worst possible baseline hasn't helped...
JGR screwed themselves by choosing Yamaha and then Suzuki as their bikes. Sure their shop is great, but starting with the worst possible baseline hasn't helped bring in the results and sponsorship money. How great would Barcia have been on a JGR Honda.....
c0ncEpT wrote:
You mean when they switched to the bike that has just won the Outdoor title in absolutely dominating fashion the prior year...
dirtworldmx wrote:
I think it's fair to say that their bikes have always held back their riders.
Honestly if you think the bikes held them back I have a bridge to sell you at a fare price.
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kkawboy14 10/8/2019 9:52am
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dirtworldmx wrote:
JGR screwed themselves by choosing Yamaha and then Suzuki as their bikes. Sure their shop is great, but starting with the worst possible baseline hasn't helped...
JGR screwed themselves by choosing Yamaha and then Suzuki as their bikes. Sure their shop is great, but starting with the worst possible baseline hasn't helped bring in the results and sponsorship money. How great would Barcia have been on a JGR Honda.....
They didn’t “choose Yamaha and Suzuki”

That’s all that was left! Just like Savatgy isn’t “choosing” Suzuki......it’s all that’s left!
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Sorry but merch isn't the saving grace people think it is when it comes to funding teams and riders. I think it's dumb FELD has a stranglehold on the industry and profitability of our independent teams, but selling a few hundred hats and tshirts isn't going to even cover diesel to get to the next round.

I'd say FELD keeping out or limiting sponsor engagement out of protection of their own series partners has played bigger factor in team funding in the past.
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Dirty Points 10/8/2019 10:07am
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Hudd_421 wrote:
Sorry but merch isn't the saving grace people think it is when it comes to funding teams and riders. I think it's dumb FELD has a...
Sorry but merch isn't the saving grace people think it is when it comes to funding teams and riders. I think it's dumb FELD has a stranglehold on the industry and profitability of our independent teams, but selling a few hundred hats and tshirts isn't going to even cover diesel to get to the next round.

I'd say FELD keeping out or limiting sponsor engagement out of protection of their own series partners has played bigger factor in team funding in the past.
Its all part and parcel of the same issue. Basic rev streams that Feld is explicitly cutting off from the teams.

And while diesel to the next round may not move the needle much for an outfit like JGR (certainly broader sponsorship opportunities could), it may be huge for a smaller operation.
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Conkey 10/8/2019 10:20am
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Spat24 wrote:
Anyone in the NC area that can go take a look at their test track to see who is riding? Yeah - I know it is...
Anyone in the NC area that can go take a look at their test track to see who is riding?
Yeah - I know it is not as easy as it sounds but someone can give it a try!!
ML512 wrote:
Their test track isn't like the ones in SoCal where you can just drive up to them and watch...
olds cool wrote:
This. I live about 5 or 6 miles from the track. It’s down a private dirt road with a gate at their entrance. Heavily wooded, so...
This.

I live about 5 or 6 miles from the track. It’s down a private dirt road with a gate at their entrance. Heavily wooded, so you can’t see anything from outside. You’ll have to get the guy that flew the drone over Stew’s place to do some recon but it’s likely to get shot down. We like our target practice around here. Wink
That new driveway and ranch style sign look beautiful next door.
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Hudd_421 10/8/2019 11:56am
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Hudd_421 wrote:
Sorry but merch isn't the saving grace people think it is when it comes to funding teams and riders. I think it's dumb FELD has a...
Sorry but merch isn't the saving grace people think it is when it comes to funding teams and riders. I think it's dumb FELD has a stranglehold on the industry and profitability of our independent teams, but selling a few hundred hats and tshirts isn't going to even cover diesel to get to the next round.

I'd say FELD keeping out or limiting sponsor engagement out of protection of their own series partners has played bigger factor in team funding in the past.
Dirty Points wrote:
Its all part and parcel of the same issue. Basic rev streams that Feld is explicitly cutting off from the teams. And while diesel to the...
Its all part and parcel of the same issue. Basic rev streams that Feld is explicitly cutting off from the teams.

And while diesel to the next round may not move the needle much for an outfit like JGR (certainly broader sponsorship opportunities could), it may be huge for a smaller operation.
Defintely not wrong about helping some of the smaller teams or efforts. But I think we should be looking for systematic solutions that make a large impact for all teams. We need to change the culture of how things are done and make this a level playing ground.
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rob162 10/8/2019 1:50pm
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Here is the end all of all talk about how to change things to be more profitable. Until there is a full riders union or somone one else comes along and starts a series nothing will ever change. End of story.
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kkawboy14 10/8/2019 2:53pm
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1) Start charging $150 for every ticket

2) Start charging $300 for every Photographer, per event

3) Start selling cool merchandise at the races for $200

Instant $millionaire!
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KHI Guy 10/8/2019 5:48pm
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kb228 wrote:
I see $2000 kx85s on facebook marketplace daily. Hell i see a few kx250 2 strokes i may sell my 450 and buy. Cheap to modern...
I see $2000 kx85s on facebook marketplace daily. Hell i see a few kx250 2 strokes i may sell my 450 and buy.

Cheap to modern people are $400 apparently.

My coworkers complain about how expensive softball is for their daughters.
I know is besides the point of this thread, but kids travel sports can get stupid expensive. I've spent more on my daughters travel softball then I ever have on my dirt bikin' hobby.

Cost isn't the biggest barrier to entry in this sport like people think it is.
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