Mike Brown getting heat over LL?

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500guy 8/8/2017 7:19am
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Congrats on the 2nd place finish. I am not sure why any former pro would be upset about getting beat by another former pro though. I...
Congrats on the 2nd place finish. I am not sure why any former pro would be upset about getting beat by another former pro though. I have no issue with Pros racing +25 and 40, but why are EX-Pros allowed in the +30 sportsman class? You have a few guys in the Top 5 who raced and qualified for Nationals. Even if they didn't "earn a professional point" the were still fast enough to have their PRO card and Qualify for a National. That loophole is a joke. Might as well open it to all riders at that point.
You have to earn more than just a few Points to earn a "Pro" Card , until then it's a Pro/Am card
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Huckster 8/8/2017 8:02am
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Read the MX Sports rules for the Sportsmens class. Specifically states any PRO who didn't earn a point through SX or Nationals is eligible. Not talking about actually getting your pro card
lostboy819 8/8/2017 10:25am
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Is there any other sport that allows current and/or former professionals to compete at amateur events? Can Michael Jordan or Kobe join a U.S. Amateur Basketball...
Is there any other sport that allows current and/or former professionals to compete at amateur events? Can Michael Jordan or Kobe join a U.S. Amateur Basketball team? Maybe Tom Watson could tee up at select amateur golf events? John McEnroe compete for a US Amateur Tennis championship?

I also don't agree that anyone over the age of 25 goes to Loretta's with the hope of being signed by Pro Circuit or Geico by the end of the week. I'm sure even the most sheltered, naïve 25 year old has probably come to the realization that they aren't going to go pro and make it to the "big time."

I also don't believe it's fair to expect a fast (on a local/regional level) 30- or 40-something year old weekend warrior, working 9-to-5 to support his family to "get over it" and "get faster" so he can compete against a decorated champion (Mike Brown in this example) who eats, sleeps and trains to make his living competing on a factory-supported dirt bike.

You can say it's OK because you are a fan of the rider but it's still just another form of sandbagging and one of the main reasons why my family and I don't race anymore.
So you quit racing because of "sandbagging " ?? You might as well say you quit because you were not fast enough and that's a pretty lame reason to quit I would say its more of a excuse. Blush
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wreckitrandy 8/8/2017 11:08am
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In years past, American racers had zero in the way of a chance against the much faster European riders. To the point that, to be 'first American' was the initial goal. If memory serves, it seldom does anymore, Dick Burleson may have been considered our 500 national champion once because he was first American in the very early trans-am series. Extrapolate to now.... Just give a medal to the first REAL amature in the class. For instance, in the 25+ class that everyone seems so Bengt over, if a rider can prove without doubt that he never attempted to race for money or prize in ANY way, that he never got a free bike, parts, gear,,,, that he drove himself to the race in a pickup truck with bald tires,,,,,, then and only then, shall he be named "First REAL Amateur" with great pomp and circumstance to ensue presently.
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You guys kill me, really? First of all I would love to see more classes, legends class, maybe all ages have A/B and B/C designations? Hell I don't know about the logistics but that would be great.

With that said, current rules are what they are. Brownie is an animal and is ready for a battle wether it be a pack ride through the week or the next off-road/mx race in front of him. Would have loved to see him race one more National at Muddy Creek this year but the details didn't come together. He had no plan whatsoever to race Lorettas til about June, heard some of his old competition were racing and said hell yea... He is still an employee of Husqvarna for what that's worth and I bet his bike was closer to stock than 75% of the equipment down there last week, so what?
Everyone needs to chill, if you know anything about Mike he is a humble guy that most likely had no clue where he would stack up, even in the 40+ class.
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hard2kill 8/1/2019 7:50pm
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Bump.

Just thought we might need another one of these threads???
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You guys kill me, really? First of all I would love to see more classes, legends class, maybe all ages have A/B and B/C designations? Hell...
You guys kill me, really? First of all I would love to see more classes, legends class, maybe all ages have A/B and B/C designations? Hell I don't know about the logistics but that would be great.

With that said, current rules are what they are. Brownie is an animal and is ready for a battle wether it be a pack ride through the week or the next off-road/mx race in front of him. Would have loved to see him race one more National at Muddy Creek this year but the details didn't come together. He had no plan whatsoever to race Lorettas til about June, heard some of his old competition were racing and said hell yea... He is still an employee of Husqvarna for what that's worth and I bet his bike was closer to stock than 75% of the equipment down there last week, so what?
Everyone needs to chill, if you know anything about Mike he is a humble guy that most likely had no clue where he would stack up, even in the 40+ class.
Why is he racing a yamaha?
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montesagold wrote:
You guys kill me, really? First of all I would love to see more classes, legends class, maybe all ages have A/B and B/C designations? Hell...
You guys kill me, really? First of all I would love to see more classes, legends class, maybe all ages have A/B and B/C designations? Hell I don't know about the logistics but that would be great.

With that said, current rules are what they are. Brownie is an animal and is ready for a battle wether it be a pack ride through the week or the next off-road/mx race in front of him. Would have loved to see him race one more National at Muddy Creek this year but the details didn't come together. He had no plan whatsoever to race Lorettas til about June, heard some of his old competition were racing and said hell yea... He is still an employee of Husqvarna for what that's worth and I bet his bike was closer to stock than 75% of the equipment down there last week, so what?
Everyone needs to chill, if you know anything about Mike he is a humble guy that most likely had no clue where he would stack up, even in the 40+ class.
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Why is he racing a yamaha?
Because you're quoting a 2 year old post...
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montesagold wrote:
You guys kill me, really? First of all I would love to see more classes, legends class, maybe all ages have A/B and B/C designations? Hell...
You guys kill me, really? First of all I would love to see more classes, legends class, maybe all ages have A/B and B/C designations? Hell I don't know about the logistics but that would be great.

With that said, current rules are what they are. Brownie is an animal and is ready for a battle wether it be a pack ride through the week or the next off-road/mx race in front of him. Would have loved to see him race one more National at Muddy Creek this year but the details didn't come together. He had no plan whatsoever to race Lorettas til about June, heard some of his old competition were racing and said hell yea... He is still an employee of Husqvarna for what that's worth and I bet his bike was closer to stock than 75% of the equipment down there last week, so what?
Everyone needs to chill, if you know anything about Mike he is a humble guy that most likely had no clue where he would stack up, even in the 40+ class.
mxb2 wrote:
Why is he racing a yamaha?
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Because you're quoting a 2 year old post...
My bad,. I saw him at high point. Llq, def. Still.super fast. Kudos to him.
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Somebody call the whaaaaaambulance
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HOLY SHIT STOP BITCHING ABOUT BROWN RACING! Who cares!!! Step it up if you wanna beat him. Literally 8 pages of dudes crying about brown waxing all the 25 year olds. Cry some more
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MotoMan12345 8/1/2019 9:31pm
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AwkwArd. Just realized this thread is old. Ignore my post Smile
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geeZ177 8/2/2019 7:21am
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JustPuttinAround wrote:
Those guys ought to shut up. In many local races, you can drop a class with a drop in age. i.e. a 40A racer could race...
Those guys ought to shut up.
In many local races, you can drop a class with a drop in age. i.e. a 40A racer could race in 30B....
Following that logic, Brownie could be racing 450C...
Woohoo Tongue Silly Grinning
That makes zero sense. If you are an A you are an A period. Or B,C,D. For better or worse, age should have nothing to do with it. Ride the skill class that you belong in. Now as for the Mike Brown thing. I don't know much about the LL classes, but if he is riding in +25A then I say it's fair game. But if it's just +25 with no skill attached to it then that is a LL problem and there should be +25A,+25B,+25C or at least a +25A and then a +25 B/C combined.
devindavisphoto 8/2/2019 11:33am
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What's more embarrassing? A 47 year old waxing 25 year olds or 25 year olds complaining about a 47 year old waxing them?


Brownie is a gangster.
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In Brown's defense, I really doubt he expected to win so easily and I don't think we'll see him racing the Vet classes next year. In...
In Brown's defense, I really doubt he expected to win so easily and I don't think we'll see him racing the Vet classes next year. In hindsight, it was all pointless and I think he's probably a little embarrassed.
This post didn't age well!
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You can say that but then again this is supposed to be an amateur event and you have former pros including national champions competing . They...
You can say that but then again this is supposed to be an amateur event and you have former pros including national champions competing . They should have their own class.
25+ is their class
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For all you Tuckfards calling people whiners, I bet if it was you or your own boy getting second to a former National Pro Champ at an AMATEUR event, you’d have a different outlook. Brownie is not and has not been an amateur for the last 30 years. That’s it. Cut and dry and there is no argument for it. If this went to court, DC, MB and LL would lose.
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Racer111 wrote:
For all you Tuckfards calling people whiners, I bet if it was you or your own boy getting second to a former National Pro Champ at...
For all you Tuckfards calling people whiners, I bet if it was you or your own boy getting second to a former National Pro Champ at an AMATEUR event, you’d have a different outlook. Brownie is not and has not been an amateur for the last 30 years. That’s it. Cut and dry and there is no argument for it. If this went to court, DC, MB and LL would lose.
I agree. Once you’ve had a professional license the amateur status is no longer an option. It’s really not very complicated.
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hard2kill wrote:
Bump.

Just thought we might need another one of these threads???
chop your hands off and have someone throw them in the wood chipper.
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Racer111 wrote:
For all you Tuckfards calling people whiners, I bet if it was you or your own boy getting second to a former National Pro Champ at...
For all you Tuckfards calling people whiners, I bet if it was you or your own boy getting second to a former National Pro Champ at an AMATEUR event, you’d have a different outlook. Brownie is not and has not been an amateur for the last 30 years. That’s it. Cut and dry and there is no argument for it. If this went to court, DC, MB and LL would lose.
Nighttrain wrote:
I agree. Once you’ve had a professional license the amateur status is no longer an option. It’s really not very complicated.
Rules say otherwise...
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So a guy with a resume that reads, finished third in the GP's,125 national champ,WORCS Champion, and on & on,competing Professionally for 20 years is eligible to race a Amateur event?
Why not just go qualify for a Outdoor National instead if you wanna continue racing?
If I'm gonna bust ass to qualify for what is called the Biggest Amateur event of the year, I wanna know I'm competing against other Amateurs!
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racin mason 8/2/2019 8:30pm
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Its not fair, cause he's faster than me......
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SwingHard wrote:
So a guy with a resume that reads, finished third in the GP's,125 national champ,WORCS Champion, and on & on,competing Professionally for 20 years is eligible...
So a guy with a resume that reads, finished third in the GP's,125 national champ,WORCS Champion, and on & on,competing Professionally for 20 years is eligible to race a Amateur event?
Why not just go qualify for a Outdoor National instead if you wanna continue racing?
If I'm gonna bust ass to qualify for what is called the Biggest Amateur event of the year, I wanna know I'm competing against other Amateurs!
By definition he is an amateur. He doesn't hold a current AMA Pro license for MX or SX, or an MXGP Pro license.

Why is this so hard to understand
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Travis_Hudson 8/2/2019 8:42pm
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Racer111 wrote:
For all you Tuckfards calling people whiners, I bet if it was you or your own boy getting second to a former National Pro Champ at...
For all you Tuckfards calling people whiners, I bet if it was you or your own boy getting second to a former National Pro Champ at an AMATEUR event, you’d have a different outlook. Brownie is not and has not been an amateur for the last 30 years. That’s it. Cut and dry and there is no argument for it. If this went to court, DC, MB and LL would lose.
Nighttrain wrote:
I agree. Once you’ve had a professional license the amateur status is no longer an option. It’s really not very complicated.
slipdog wrote:
Rules say otherwise...
This is the funniest shit ever. JUST A BUNCH OF WISH I COULD OF BEEN A HERO MOTHER EFFERS UP IN HERE. Woohoo Whistling
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Spagina767 8/2/2019 8:47pm
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Everyone is so one sided. I see both. Agree with both to a point. I’m just in the middle.

Brown should be able to run LL.

LL should have a vet pro class.

LL does not have a vet pro class.

Due to the above, Brown is cool to race +25.

If they had a +25 ex pro, and he decided to race another class with average joes... that’s BS. But as it stands right now, I can’t fault the guy... I can only fault the system. It’s clear that ex pros are showing more interest in vet racing than back in the day. Time for LL to get on board and make a +25 class for those who have held a pro license. Anyone who has had a pro license should only be able to race that “+25 ex pro”, and the A Pro Sport classes... but hey, that’s just my opinion.
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MotoMan12345 wrote:
HOLY SHIT STOP BITCHING ABOUT BROWN RACING! Who cares!!! Step it up if you wanna beat him. Literally 8 pages of dudes crying about brown waxing...
HOLY SHIT STOP BITCHING ABOUT BROWN RACING! Who cares!!! Step it up if you wanna beat him. Literally 8 pages of dudes crying about brown waxing all the 25 year olds. Cry some more
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APLMAN99 8/2/2019 8:59pm
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It's an easy fix, just stop referring to it as an Amateur National Championship.

Problem solved.

Since the concept of amateurism is outdated, there's really no reason to describe it as such........
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zehn 8/2/2019 9:25pm
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Right, just what LL/amateur racing needs. MORE classes
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Nighttrain 8/2/2019 9:28pm
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slipdog wrote:
Rules say otherwise...
The. AMA is a joke at this point and letting former pros race in an amateur national class is impossible to defend. Add an exhibition class for the former pros to race at LL.
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brocster 8/2/2019 9:36pm
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I would be embarrassed if I was a national pro or ex national pro seeking a win at an amateur national no matter what the classes are called...

You should have put that much effort in on your way up...

Doesn’t look good, smell good or sound good when it’s listed as 20XX national number and >20XX national amateur champion.

Its like bantam league all stars superceeding MLB
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