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peltier626 7/18/2019 8:09pm
7/18/2019 8:09pm
This thing has been in development for over 5 years now. Can't wait until it or it's predecessor is released.
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Bearuno 7/18/2019 9:37pm
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peltier626 wrote:
This thing has been in development for over 5 years now. Can't wait until it or it's predecessor is released.
It's been sold in some markets for a few years already.

What KTM / KTHusky need to do is pull out their finger and release a EXC / SX version, soon.

Otherwise, they'll be gazumped by Honda's CR-E.
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milamcreek 7/18/2019 11:15pm
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Keep dreaming boys. The ICE is not going anywhere. There is zero market for e bikes from the fan perspective which pays the bills, as well as us the riders.
No fans for formula e, no fans in the stands for SX Ebikes. Don't think pumping in sound is or will Ever change that. Stop pushing this BS no one is buying it.
Once again I own a Battery Co. So I have skin in the game.
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blockhead17 7/18/2019 11:19pm
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milamcreek wrote:
Keep dreaming boys. The ICE is not going anywhere. There is zero market for e bikes from the fan perspective which pays the bills, as well...
Keep dreaming boys. The ICE is not going anywhere. There is zero market for e bikes from the fan perspective which pays the bills, as well as us the riders.
No fans for formula e, no fans in the stands for SX Ebikes. Don't think pumping in sound is or will Ever change that. Stop pushing this BS no one is buying it.
Once again I own a Battery Co. So I have skin in the game.
You couldn’t be more wrong
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milamcreek wrote:
Keep dreaming boys. The ICE is not going anywhere. There is zero market for e bikes from the fan perspective which pays the bills, as well...
Keep dreaming boys. The ICE is not going anywhere. There is zero market for e bikes from the fan perspective which pays the bills, as well as us the riders.
No fans for formula e, no fans in the stands for SX Ebikes. Don't think pumping in sound is or will Ever change that. Stop pushing this BS no one is buying it.
Once again I own a Battery Co. So I have skin in the game.
Haha
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dirtwalker 7/19/2019 12:02am
7/19/2019 12:02am
milamcreek wrote:
Keep dreaming boys. The ICE is not going anywhere. There is zero market for e bikes from the fan perspective which pays the bills, as well...
Keep dreaming boys. The ICE is not going anywhere. There is zero market for e bikes from the fan perspective which pays the bills, as well as us the riders.
No fans for formula e, no fans in the stands for SX Ebikes. Don't think pumping in sound is or will Ever change that. Stop pushing this BS no one is buying it.
Once again I own a Battery Co. So I have skin in the game.
I want one at a decent price so i can ride at tracks that will exist again since the noise is less. Including on my own property. I am sure many more are in the same boat...
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mikec265 7/19/2019 6:19am
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Any info on the bike besides just a picture?
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aeffertz 7/19/2019 6:21am
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Considering that’s just a rendered image and not an actual picture, I reckon we have a bit more time.
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milamcreek 7/19/2019 8:19am
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milamcreek wrote:
Keep dreaming boys. The ICE is not going anywhere. There is zero market for e bikes from the fan perspective which pays the bills, as well...
Keep dreaming boys. The ICE is not going anywhere. There is zero market for e bikes from the fan perspective which pays the bills, as well as us the riders.
No fans for formula e, no fans in the stands for SX Ebikes. Don't think pumping in sound is or will Ever change that. Stop pushing this BS no one is buying it.
Once again I own a Battery Co. So I have skin in the game.
blockhead17 wrote:
You couldn’t be more wrong
Facts don't lie,
Guys look at hybrid sell numbers, car company's can't get away from them fast enough. The only reason they are still being produced is from the large subsidies handed out from the Federal Gov.
The playground niche market is so small that it will and can not cover the R and D budget.
For small riders stacyc is perfect, for a neighborhood warrior fine but it is just such a small market share that it can't be sustained without tax money. Harley Davidson purchasing stacyc and having proprietary rights to Alta gives them an advantage, they did not have to spend a ton on R&D. Let's follow them for a couple of years then y'all will know.
Closed course competition not going to happen.
In 5 years I will repost this and I expect some praise from all of you. Haha
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peltier626 7/19/2019 8:21am
7/19/2019 8:21am
aeffertz wrote:
Considering that’s just a rendered image and not an actual picture, I reckon we have a bit more time.
That bike has been around for quite a while, it's not a rendered picture. I believe it was 2014 when it was introduced. There are numerous video's and pictures and info of this bike in action.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MTLM9x6u0R8 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5hqELhORADA
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kNewc 7/19/2019 8:25am
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milamcreek wrote:
Keep dreaming boys. The ICE is not going anywhere. There is zero market for e bikes from the fan perspective which pays the bills, as well...
Keep dreaming boys. The ICE is not going anywhere. There is zero market for e bikes from the fan perspective which pays the bills, as well as us the riders.
No fans for formula e, no fans in the stands for SX Ebikes. Don't think pumping in sound is or will Ever change that. Stop pushing this BS no one is buying it.
Once again I own a Battery Co. So I have skin in the game.
blockhead17 wrote:
You couldn’t be more wrong
milamcreek wrote:
Facts don't lie, Guys look at hybrid sell numbers, car company's can't get away from them fast enough. The only reason they are still being produced...
Facts don't lie,
Guys look at hybrid sell numbers, car company's can't get away from them fast enough. The only reason they are still being produced is from the large subsidies handed out from the Federal Gov.
The playground niche market is so small that it will and can not cover the R and D budget.
For small riders stacyc is perfect, for a neighborhood warrior fine but it is just such a small market share that it can't be sustained without tax money. Harley Davidson purchasing stacyc and having proprietary rights to Alta gives them an advantage, they did not have to spend a ton on R&D. Let's follow them for a couple of years then y'all will know.
Closed course competition not going to happen.
In 5 years I will repost this and I expect some praise from all of you. Haha
I've never seen so many guys stop by a dudes truck then when there is an Alta in front of it. Go to any motocross track and if a dude rolls up with one I guarantee half the guys there will stop and check it out. If I can afford it I'll get the Honda CRE as soon as it's released.
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peltier626 7/19/2019 8:27am
7/19/2019 8:27am Edited Date/Time 7/19/2019 8:31am
milamcreek wrote:
Keep dreaming boys. The ICE is not going anywhere. There is zero market for e bikes from the fan perspective which pays the bills, as well...
Keep dreaming boys. The ICE is not going anywhere. There is zero market for e bikes from the fan perspective which pays the bills, as well as us the riders.
No fans for formula e, no fans in the stands for SX Ebikes. Don't think pumping in sound is or will Ever change that. Stop pushing this BS no one is buying it.
Once again I own a Battery Co. So I have skin in the game.
I love my Yamaha yz250f. But options and accessibility are a positive as far as I'm concerned if the sport wants to survive in the future. Between the culture and accessibility to riding areas this avenue of tech and silence should help sustain the sport, hopefully. Price point needs to be affordable too.
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milamcreek 7/19/2019 8:29am
7/19/2019 8:29am Edited Date/Time 7/19/2019 8:35am
milamcreek wrote:
Keep dreaming boys. The ICE is not going anywhere. There is zero market for e bikes from the fan perspective which pays the bills, as well...
Keep dreaming boys. The ICE is not going anywhere. There is zero market for e bikes from the fan perspective which pays the bills, as well as us the riders.
No fans for formula e, no fans in the stands for SX Ebikes. Don't think pumping in sound is or will Ever change that. Stop pushing this BS no one is buying it.
Once again I own a Battery Co. So I have skin in the game.
blockhead17 wrote:
You couldn’t be more wrong
milamcreek wrote:
Facts don't lie, Guys look at hybrid sell numbers, car company's can't get away from them fast enough. The only reason they are still being produced...
Facts don't lie,
Guys look at hybrid sell numbers, car company's can't get away from them fast enough. The only reason they are still being produced is from the large subsidies handed out from the Federal Gov.
The playground niche market is so small that it will and can not cover the R and D budget.
For small riders stacyc is perfect, for a neighborhood warrior fine but it is just such a small market share that it can't be sustained without tax money. Harley Davidson purchasing stacyc and having proprietary rights to Alta gives them an advantage, they did not have to spend a ton on R&D. Let's follow them for a couple of years then y'all will know.
Closed course competition not going to happen.
In 5 years I will repost this and I expect some praise from all of you. Haha
I also have to say that I speak of our market, the US. In other nations they can get away with it like with formula E, but like Formula E the governments will be involved to keep it a float. Have y'all not wondered how much the FIA receives from subsidies to make this, do you really believe these race teams woke up one day and said hey I want to waste millions of our money to build e cars. No boys
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milamcreek wrote:
Keep dreaming boys. The ICE is not going anywhere. There is zero market for e bikes from the fan perspective which pays the bills, as well...
Keep dreaming boys. The ICE is not going anywhere. There is zero market for e bikes from the fan perspective which pays the bills, as well as us the riders.
No fans for formula e, no fans in the stands for SX Ebikes. Don't think pumping in sound is or will Ever change that. Stop pushing this BS no one is buying it.
Once again I own a Battery Co. So I have skin in the game.
blockhead17 wrote:
You couldn’t be more wrong
He isn't wrong. The day that supercross goes to electric bikes will be the day the sport dies. Very few people will attend a battery powered supercross. A person only needs to compare F1 attendance to Formula E to get some perspective. 200,000 average compared to 25,000 average and that's with formula E ticket prices being cheap or free. Formula 1 tickets are not cheap. Feld knows this and will fight it tooth and nail, Feld does not want it's business destroyed.

Battery powered bikes may solve some of the problems regarding having a place to ride but as far as racing excitement goes the electric bikes are and will be a joke much like Formula E.
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peltier626 7/19/2019 8:35am
7/19/2019 8:35am
milamcreek wrote:
Keep dreaming boys. The ICE is not going anywhere. There is zero market for e bikes from the fan perspective which pays the bills, as well...
Keep dreaming boys. The ICE is not going anywhere. There is zero market for e bikes from the fan perspective which pays the bills, as well as us the riders.
No fans for formula e, no fans in the stands for SX Ebikes. Don't think pumping in sound is or will Ever change that. Stop pushing this BS no one is buying it.
Once again I own a Battery Co. So I have skin in the game.
blockhead17 wrote:
You couldn’t be more wrong
Enabler wrote:
He isn't wrong. The day that supercross goes to electric bikes will be the day the sport dies. Very few people will attend a battery powered...
He isn't wrong. The day that supercross goes to electric bikes will be the day the sport dies. Very few people will attend a battery powered supercross. A person only needs to compare F1 attendance to Formula E to get some perspective. 200,000 average compared to 25,000 average and that's with formula E ticket prices being cheap or free. Formula 1 tickets are not cheap. Feld knows this and will fight it tooth and nail, Feld does not want it's business destroyed.

Battery powered bikes may solve some of the problems regarding having a place to ride but as far as racing excitement goes the electric bikes are and will be a joke much like Formula E.
Having battery power does not mean ICE goes extinct. OIL is big buisness. Voltage is just another option. I love the sound of a gate full of bikes screaming to me at 15,000 rpm.
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dimetime 7/19/2019 8:38am
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E bikes won't solve dick. If you guys think the resistance of the enviros will melt away because suddenly the bikes are electric you're crazy. As l've said before, my relatives in Utah tell me that there is just as big a push to remove mountain bikes from all single track trails as there is to get rid of motorcycles.

Personally l just don't understand all the boners you guys get over e bikes.
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Harry Backmon 7/19/2019 9:06am
7/19/2019 9:06am
Sounds like you might be a premix-junky.
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Excaliburbmx 7/19/2019 9:06am
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milamcreek wrote:
Keep dreaming boys. The ICE is not going anywhere. There is zero market for e bikes from the fan perspective which pays the bills, as well...
Keep dreaming boys. The ICE is not going anywhere. There is zero market for e bikes from the fan perspective which pays the bills, as well as us the riders.
No fans for formula e, no fans in the stands for SX Ebikes. Don't think pumping in sound is or will Ever change that. Stop pushing this BS no one is buying it.
Once again I own a Battery Co. So I have skin in the game.
I hear you loud and clear. I would not go watch e bikes race period.
I’m 50 and from the Midwest I don’t see anyone opening a e bike only track I can see people riding them on existing tracks.
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Sluggo77 7/19/2019 9:10am
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Would make life and going for a ride a lot easier/simpler. No air filter, no oils, no clutch, no gas, no tranny, no cables and on and on, just keep your chain adjusted/lubed and you are set to go.
As for riding, they should open the door to tracks and trails within city limits which would greatly reduce time commitment and hassle of going for a ride.You could live in the city and ride everyday.
Sounds awesome to me. Oh but it doesn't go brap or pffffftttttttttfarp....or whatever the 4 stroke does. oh well, life will go on.
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mxpro252 7/19/2019 9:16am
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dimetime wrote:
E bikes won't solve dick. If you guys think the resistance of the enviros will melt away because suddenly the bikes are electric you're crazy. As...
E bikes won't solve dick. If you guys think the resistance of the enviros will melt away because suddenly the bikes are electric you're crazy. As l've said before, my relatives in Utah tell me that there is just as big a push to remove mountain bikes from all single track trails as there is to get rid of motorcycles.

Personally l just don't understand all the boners you guys get over e bikes.
Haven't seen this before, what's driving the push to remove mountain bikes?
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Let me get this right. Some of you are saying noise from an ice is what makes you pay up. So, how many decibels is your turning point? Meaning, a 85dB ice motor enough for you to open wallet, or does it have to be 98dB? Golf, tennis, mtn. bike, no motor, quite popular. I do get it, but, just because no sound? I really don't like the sound of 4-strokes, never have. OK, the motogp bikes do sound good, but anyway.
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slipdog 7/19/2019 9:23am
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I'll buy that KTM E bike as soon as it hits the US market.

Just got done with the backyard rebuild on Monday. Alright, alright...



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Mr. Afterbar 7/19/2019 9:38am
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blockhead17 wrote:
You couldn’t be more wrong
milamcreek wrote:
Facts don't lie, Guys look at hybrid sell numbers, car company's can't get away from them fast enough. The only reason they are still being produced...
Facts don't lie,
Guys look at hybrid sell numbers, car company's can't get away from them fast enough. The only reason they are still being produced is from the large subsidies handed out from the Federal Gov.
The playground niche market is so small that it will and can not cover the R and D budget.
For small riders stacyc is perfect, for a neighborhood warrior fine but it is just such a small market share that it can't be sustained without tax money. Harley Davidson purchasing stacyc and having proprietary rights to Alta gives them an advantage, they did not have to spend a ton on R&D. Let's follow them for a couple of years then y'all will know.
Closed course competition not going to happen.
In 5 years I will repost this and I expect some praise from all of you. Haha
kNewc wrote:
I've never seen so many guys stop by a dudes truck then when there is an Alta in front of it. Go to any motocross track...
I've never seen so many guys stop by a dudes truck then when there is an Alta in front of it. Go to any motocross track and if a dude rolls up with one I guarantee half the guys there will stop and check it out. If I can afford it I'll get the Honda CRE as soon as it's released.
Whats your point? People gathered around for the first YZF 400 too and look at how many people cry about 4 strokes. It's new technology in the moto market. Of course people are going to want to check it out.
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mxpro252 wrote:
Haven't seen this before, what's driving the push to remove mountain bikes?
He's probably talking about the push for expansion of national Park and national wilderness land. Bicycles are banned from any designated wilderness land OR land that is under a wilderness study to potentially become designated wilderness which takes years of study with no access. Yes it's true some people hate mountain bikes, but the larger push for alot of this is to keep mining and drilling companies off the land which is always being threatened on blm or forest service land.
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How long have we been reading about the handful of guys on Altas here? 2-3yrs? I ride the same four tracks for years. Of the four tracks. There’s been ONE Alta at one track. No others. And they were available for sale in my area. ONE. No matter how good it makes you “feel”. It is not economically feasible. PERIOD. It is a business guys. You can’t operate at such a huge loss and remain in business. No matter how good it makes you feel.
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loftyair wrote:
Let me get this right. Some of you are saying noise from an ice is what makes you pay up. So, how many decibels is your...
Let me get this right. Some of you are saying noise from an ice is what makes you pay up. So, how many decibels is your turning point? Meaning, a 85dB ice motor enough for you to open wallet, or does it have to be 98dB? Golf, tennis, mtn. bike, no motor, quite popular. I do get it, but, just because no sound? I really don't like the sound of 4-strokes, never have. OK, the motogp bikes do sound good, but anyway.
I think you missed the point.

Sound is part of the overall experience when attending a Supercross. Remove the sound and the event turns into a much different experience. Denying that the experience is not different is to deny the obvious. The question is, is there a market for ebike Supercross/Motocross from a fans point of view? I would argue no, there is not. Once again look at formula E compared to Formula 1.

Comparing stick and ball sports to extreme type sports is not a valid comparison, completely different audience.

Mt. biking? Show me where they have events that attract 50,000 to 75,000 spectators.
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SmokinJoe439 7/19/2019 10:15am
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My friend who was big into bmx racing said a once long time track got shut down over noise complaints. I believe it was the azusa bmx track some housing development moved in by it. This was back in the 90's.

Said all you could hear was mostly the sound of the gate dropping for the moto's. Occasionally a loud cheer or clanking of handle bars. Overall it was not very loud. It basically boiled down to the whole nimby effect.
dickjackson170 7/19/2019 10:15am
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The future of god awful looking motorcycles
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Falcon 7/19/2019 11:01am
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I can't predict what will happen to the e-bike in five or ten years, but I know I'm interested in one now. I'd really like to ride an Alta and see.
I hope Honda pulls the trigger and starts selling that CR-E.
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