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Nobody can say whether or not homeschooling is good or bad. It depends entirely on the school, kid and parents. Though, I will say that I think the freedom is better suited for someone that ends up being more independent when it comes time to get a job, as opposed to entering the rat race. If the person ends up punching a timecard and pulling levers all day, it's probably better to die inside earlier in life and public schools can definitely help with that.
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To each their own.
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He did good.

I would still prefer public school because where else will you learn to fight for your whole life and dodging bullets?
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Whenever the merits of education are being discussed, I always look to Vital to get the real story Unsure
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I think Ping replied to the homeschooling question like this “a homeschool degree means almost as much as sandwich artist of the month to potential colleges...
I think Ping replied to the homeschooling question like this “a homeschool degree means almost as much as sandwich artist of the month to potential colleges or employers” sage words.
Not a bit of truth in those sage words.
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7/3/2019 11:16am
cody41 wrote:
I feel like home schooled kids don’t fully develop their social skills.
racerx317 wrote:
This is a common misconception. My son is involved in many things that have him interacting with a variety of different aged people on a daily...
This is a common misconception. My son is involved in many things that have him interacting with a variety of different aged people on a daily basis. His friends near our house, at the MX Track, and he works 3 days a week at a K9 training facility with a training crew of Veterans to train dogs for police departments, personal protection, etc... he not only interacts with the other trainers, the owner of the company but then has to educate the dog owners as well how to properly handle their dogs. So, arguably he gets a much wider range of social exposure than a child simply going to public school.

On a smaller scale... there are many activities that homeschool kids get involved with that people don’t see. Activities that are not tied to school and some that are. For example: we have friends that do travel Hockey, baseball, girls in dance, competition cheer, etc... my son was on a Skeet shooting team that competed against all the local public schools... TONS of stuff to get involved with to say the least. The old... homeschool kids are not socialized is fake news, lol. The only reason that might happen is due to personal family decisions... these programs are all over the country.
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Not sure where you live but, are home schooled kids allowed to play sports on what would be your area High School teams?
No not in ny
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7/3/2019 11:36am
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What's wrong with common core?
Its a directive from the US Dept of Education that in theory is to provide similar timing on curriculum nationwide so that students will be studying the same material everywhere in the country at approximately the same time. If a student moves elsewhere then they should pick up there schooling where they were at before the move. Sounds logical but it puts the federal government with more control when they really shouldn’t have any. States and local communities need to determine what works best for them and their communities.

Also as curriculum gets tailored for this nationwide learning I feel it’ll be dumbed down to accomodate a lower level of student ability. I think this is already being shown to be happening based on student test scores.
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7/3/2019 11:38am
racerx317 wrote:
We are doing it a little different with a private school at home. So, you can choose to go to the brick and mortar building or...
We are doing it a little different with a private school at home. So, you can choose to go to the brick and mortar building or choose to do it from home with direct contact with an assigned supervisor and tutors. We found this to be head and shoulders better than public schools. My son scored 2 grades behind on the private school’s entry exam when we started the program. He had to go without a summer break for 2 years to get caught up. By the time he was up to their standards he was completing basic Trig in 9th grade.
There are a lot of crappy homeschool programs out there, and then there are ones that really do an amazing job and a public school is a joke in comparison. I’m super glad we chose this path as I believe my son is much better prepared for his post HighSchool life after next year.
I'm guessing your kid isn't a top level amateur racer either? Not knocking your decisions and from your detailed responses and thought put into the question, I would say you have made the right decision. But I think the concerns with homeschooling lil jonnie is because exactly what I see locally. We have several mid-to-top level homeschooled amateurs that can barely write their name. And the parents installing new top ends on the bikes WEEKLY because of the hours they put in at the track. And yet, my lil jonnie is expected to compete with these kids on an even basis? And we wonder why mx is dying?
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Its a directive from the US Dept of Education that in theory is to provide similar timing on curriculum nationwide so that students will be studying...
Its a directive from the US Dept of Education that in theory is to provide similar timing on curriculum nationwide so that students will be studying the same material everywhere in the country at approximately the same time. If a student moves elsewhere then they should pick up there schooling where they were at before the move. Sounds logical but it puts the federal government with more control when they really shouldn’t have any. States and local communities need to determine what works best for them and their communities.

Also as curriculum gets tailored for this nationwide learning I feel it’ll be dumbed down to accomodate a lower level of student ability. I think this is already being shown to be happening based on student test scores.
In your original comment you said:

"We pulled our youngest out of the public schools after the change to the "common core" curriculum. That system over time is just going to migrate teaching methods and materials to the lowest common denominator student."

What are some examples of things that you think your youngest would have missed out on, had they remained in a Common Core school?

States and local communities need to determine what works best for them and their communities.

Can you think of an example for why a local community should have a different standard for what grade their students should be expected to learn algebra?
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7/3/2019 12:08pm
CivBars wrote:
How many of the questions did you know the answer to?
ti473 wrote:
All of them, expect a couple of the science questions, and the bat one. And I'm a dumbass.
CivBars wrote:
Here's your Gold Star. Congratulations! [img]https://rlv.zcache.com/custom_message_gold_star_with_gold_glitter_texture_star_sticker-r8c6018b4e6f64bd4b7386ba858eb00be_0ugdr_8byvr_540.jpg[/img]
Here's your Gold Star. Congratulations!

well thank you kindly for your generosity!
Now if I could have one more for tying my shoes and wiping my own ass, that would be great!
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My son doesnt ride but we choose to home school him for a number of reasons. He doesnt have any social interaction issues unlike me. Hahahahaha
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Be honest. How many of these questions did you get right? Does Homeschooling work? ft. Hunter Yoder
Be honest. How many of these questions did you get right?

Does Homeschooling work? ft. Hunter Yoder

Way to go Hunty!! Being this kids mom, I know he would love to be in public school right now. Hunter thrives in school, and he’s...
Way to go Hunty!! Being this kids mom, I know he would love to be in public school right now. Hunter thrives in school, and he’s always been on honor roll. Unfortunately, our public schools do not tolerate the amount of time he needs to take to race motocross. Hunter has always voiced his passion for Moto ever since he was 2 years old. He started racing at 5, and was in public schools until 8th grade. Homeschool has its benefits though as well. He gets to do all the fun stuff and work as fast as he wants. He is currently in summer school to try to get ahead for next year. Anyways, public school would be fun for him, but Moto is his life! Way to go Hunter on all your right questions, now I know what we need to study up on #scienceclassherewecome
Proud of this kid! He's worked hard to get where he is and has a great future ahead.
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ti473 wrote:
All of them, expect a couple of the science questions, and the bat one. And I'm a dumbass.
CivBars wrote:
Here's your Gold Star. Congratulations! [img]https://rlv.zcache.com/custom_message_gold_star_with_gold_glitter_texture_star_sticker-r8c6018b4e6f64bd4b7386ba858eb00be_0ugdr_8byvr_540.jpg[/img]
Here's your Gold Star. Congratulations!

ti473 wrote:
well thank you kindly for your generosity! Now if I could have one more for tying my shoes and wiping my own ass, that would be...
well thank you kindly for your generosity!
Now if I could have one more for tying my shoes and wiping my own ass, that would be great!
I'm not here to give out Gold Stars all day but I do agree with you on one thing.
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7/3/2019 2:33pm Edited Date/Time 7/3/2019 2:38pm
exbmxmx wrote:
I'm guessing your kid isn't a top level amateur racer either? Not knocking your decisions and from your detailed responses and thought put into the question...
I'm guessing your kid isn't a top level amateur racer either? Not knocking your decisions and from your detailed responses and thought put into the question, I would say you have made the right decision. But I think the concerns with homeschooling lil jonnie is because exactly what I see locally. We have several mid-to-top level homeschooled amateurs that can barely write their name. And the parents installing new top ends on the bikes WEEKLY because of the hours they put in at the track. And yet, my lil jonnie is expected to compete with these kids on an even basis? And we wonder why mx is dying?
The decision to pull him from public school was made for a variety of reasons.
1. I had a straight A kid that was coming home to really struggle with his homework. I had him independently tested after he told me that teachers were giving him answers to tests in public schools to find that he was really 2 grades behind where he should have been in school.

2. The school was threatening us with court due to absences... even though he was supposedly a straight A Student that always stayed on top of his work.

3. I did a TON of research to finally find a program that was accredited and fit our needs or we would have had to throttle down his racing program. My son has really taken to that program and was testing at college levels in 10th grade.

My son is no slouch on a bike for sure. We beat some factory level kids on 65s and 85s and even embarrassed a few when he 1st got on Supers. He grew a huge amount in a short period making Supers really awkward though and then struggled with a couple years of long drawn out recoveries from some injuries. We were definitely all in... fitness trainer, riding coach, a fantastic sponsor support system around us, traveled all over the East coast and hit a couple Canadian races, went through 5-6 bikes a year, etc...
Looking back... He earned multiple lifetimes of life lessons that most adults couldn’t comprehend and I had a huge joy spending some great time with my kid. We were thinking of sending him to a training facility... but I just couldn’t wrap my head around losing that much time with him at that age. He’s 17 now and has decided on his own to stay healthy by staying away from MX and move on in to a career in the military after he graduates. When he gets an itch... he’ll go out and give some local A riders hellfire on his 125 just for kicks.
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RichieW13 wrote:
What's wrong with common core?
Its a directive from the US Dept of Education that in theory is to provide similar timing on curriculum nationwide so that students will be studying...
Its a directive from the US Dept of Education that in theory is to provide similar timing on curriculum nationwide so that students will be studying the same material everywhere in the country at approximately the same time. If a student moves elsewhere then they should pick up there schooling where they were at before the move. Sounds logical but it puts the federal government with more control when they really shouldn’t have any. States and local communities need to determine what works best for them and their communities.

Also as curriculum gets tailored for this nationwide learning I feel it’ll be dumbed down to accomodate a lower level of student ability. I think this is already being shown to be happening based on student test scores.
That's not accurate about "common core".

The system does aim for similar minimums at the end of each grade level, but they don't mandate in any way that students are studying the same material at the same time. They don't even mandate curriculum, only the suggested minimum levels of attainment. That doesn't "dumb down" the level of teaching that students receive, it actually increases it. Teachers are encouraged to stretch their kids to attain more knowledge, and students who struggle are able to be identified more easily to divert them into environments that are more conducive to their abilities.

States and local communities are still able to determine "what works best for them and their communities", but they can no longer ignore basic education for their students.

Having had children through the public school system at both ends of the extremes, it's been a lot better for opportunity to learn than it was back when I was in school.
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7/3/2019 3:19pm
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My son and I have watched this countless times. He's 3 and loves Blippi and moto so you can imagine how happy he was when this came out.
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He did good.

I would still prefer public school because where else will you learn to fight for your whole life and dodging bullets?
We only dodged balls in my day
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APLMAN99 wrote:
That's not accurate about "common core". The system does aim for similar minimums at the end of each grade level, but they don't mandate in any...
That's not accurate about "common core".

The system does aim for similar minimums at the end of each grade level, but they don't mandate in any way that students are studying the same material at the same time. They don't even mandate curriculum, only the suggested minimum levels of attainment. That doesn't "dumb down" the level of teaching that students receive, it actually increases it. Teachers are encouraged to stretch their kids to attain more knowledge, and students who struggle are able to be identified more easily to divert them into environments that are more conducive to their abilities.

States and local communities are still able to determine "what works best for them and their communities", but they can no longer ignore basic education for their students.

Having had children through the public school system at both ends of the extremes, it's been a lot better for opportunity to learn than it was back when I was in school.
The theory of common core was made with good intentions but it’s failing miserably and not preparing students for college on a pretty large scale. This information has been highlighted in a multitude of media outlets both nationally as well as by state. Additionally, I have several close friends that teach in public schools. They are forced to teach a certain way and have a tight leash keeping them from getting creative. An example is math... there are multiple ways to solve a math problem. Many kids comprehend how to solve a solution differently, yet common core dictates that it must be solved only one way. So, the kids that can solve a problem easily with a different method that they comprehend better get dumped into a remedial program when they truly don’t belong there to get a different way jammed down their throat. It bogs the kids down and slows their progress.
Why would we want a kid to be taught only 1 way to solve something? That’s the most ridiculous thing I’ve ever heard. I’d rather have a kid that understands that there are a multitude of ways to solve a problem.
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7/3/2019 4:01pm Edited Date/Time 7/3/2019 4:15pm
If your Mom or Dad or whoever has a computer science degree and can teach u with patience and efficiency, sure.
Or a trade which will be viable for awhile.

Anything else, bad idea.
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APLMAN99 wrote:
That's not accurate about "common core". The system does aim for similar minimums at the end of each grade level, but they don't mandate in any...
That's not accurate about "common core".

The system does aim for similar minimums at the end of each grade level, but they don't mandate in any way that students are studying the same material at the same time. They don't even mandate curriculum, only the suggested minimum levels of attainment. That doesn't "dumb down" the level of teaching that students receive, it actually increases it. Teachers are encouraged to stretch their kids to attain more knowledge, and students who struggle are able to be identified more easily to divert them into environments that are more conducive to their abilities.

States and local communities are still able to determine "what works best for them and their communities", but they can no longer ignore basic education for their students.

Having had children through the public school system at both ends of the extremes, it's been a lot better for opportunity to learn than it was back when I was in school.
racerx317 wrote:
The theory of common core was made with good intentions but it’s failing miserably and not preparing students for college on a pretty large scale. This...
The theory of common core was made with good intentions but it’s failing miserably and not preparing students for college on a pretty large scale. This information has been highlighted in a multitude of media outlets both nationally as well as by state. Additionally, I have several close friends that teach in public schools. They are forced to teach a certain way and have a tight leash keeping them from getting creative. An example is math... there are multiple ways to solve a math problem. Many kids comprehend how to solve a solution differently, yet common core dictates that it must be solved only one way. So, the kids that can solve a problem easily with a different method that they comprehend better get dumped into a remedial program when they truly don’t belong there to get a different way jammed down their throat. It bogs the kids down and slows their progress.
Why would we want a kid to be taught only 1 way to solve something? That’s the most ridiculous thing I’ve ever heard. I’d rather have a kid that understands that there are a multitude of ways to solve a problem.
There is no federal mandate to perform math a certain way, etc. You may be confused because one component of common core is that students develop the ability to explain how they arrived at an answer. That happened with my son, who was always extremely gifted in math but struggled to explain his processes. There was no remedial stuff involved, just developing his ability to explain processes. He’s done pretty well thanks to that common core math program, as he was the outstanding math graduate at one of the top overall universities in the world as an undergraduate and is doing great on his way to a PhD. Common core definitely didn’t result in his instruction devolving into teaching at a lower level, it actually helped him develop his areas of opportunity by revealing them, instead of him just passing quizzes and tests and not preparing him for higher levels.
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7/3/2019 4:16pm Edited Date/Time 7/3/2019 9:13pm
APLMAN99 wrote:
That's not accurate about "common core". The system does aim for similar minimums at the end of each grade level, but they don't mandate in any...
That's not accurate about "common core".

The system does aim for similar minimums at the end of each grade level, but they don't mandate in any way that students are studying the same material at the same time. They don't even mandate curriculum, only the suggested minimum levels of attainment. That doesn't "dumb down" the level of teaching that students receive, it actually increases it. Teachers are encouraged to stretch their kids to attain more knowledge, and students who struggle are able to be identified more easily to divert them into environments that are more conducive to their abilities.

States and local communities are still able to determine "what works best for them and their communities", but they can no longer ignore basic education for their students.

Having had children through the public school system at both ends of the extremes, it's been a lot better for opportunity to learn than it was back when I was in school.
Curriculum alignment was a key feature that was used to “sell” it as a means to accomodate the migratory nature of families today. There are drastically different methodologies being used in teaching with it and has caused a lot of stress in kids. In math they can get the right answer but if they can’t descriptively write their solution methodology it may still be counted wrong. There’s far too much “teaching to the test” to get the US kids to represent well on the metrics against other countries although this has been going on since the “no child left behind” program came on the scene. Talk to many teachers endorsing the switch to common core cause I haven’t?

Look at problem #14 that my daughter brought home 6 years ago when she was 12 yo before we started homeschooling her. This isn’t a common core issue but just represents some of the “messages” kids are receiving in public schools.



Maybe I watched too much Andy Griffeth when I was a kid but I really think our schools could illustrate a higher value system when crafting a problem to the kids that what this problem portrays.
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7/3/2019 4:26pm Edited Date/Time 7/3/2019 4:29pm
racerx317 wrote:
The theory of common core was made with good intentions but it’s failing miserably and not preparing students for college on a pretty large scale. This...
The theory of common core was made with good intentions but it’s failing miserably and not preparing students for college on a pretty large scale. This information has been highlighted in a multitude of media outlets both nationally as well as by state. Additionally, I have several close friends that teach in public schools. They are forced to teach a certain way and have a tight leash keeping them from getting creative. An example is math... there are multiple ways to solve a math problem. Many kids comprehend how to solve a solution differently, yet common core dictates that it must be solved only one way. So, the kids that can solve a problem easily with a different method that they comprehend better get dumped into a remedial program when they truly don’t belong there to get a different way jammed down their throat. It bogs the kids down and slows their progress.
Why would we want a kid to be taught only 1 way to solve something? That’s the most ridiculous thing I’ve ever heard. I’d rather have a kid that understands that there are a multitude of ways to solve a problem.
"An example is math... there are multiple ways to solve a math problem. Many kids comprehend how to solve a solution differently, yet common core dictates that it must be solved only one way."

Complaints about Common Core almost always come down to math. This is incorrect. Common Core is actually about teaching kids more ways to work with math. The idea is that when you learn how to solve a long multiplication problem using an algorithm, you don't really learn what the numbers mean. It becomes an abstract operation.

Instead, Common Core asks students to look at numbers a different way. It teaches them to actually understand what they mean. It teaches them to break them up into parts to do large problems in their heads. I always did well at math in school. And I have always been good at working with numbers in my head. I can break them down into pieces and calculate them. This is something I figured out on my own. Common Core is trying to teach everybody those same tactics.

Occasionally you will see somebody post something online where their kid was graded wrong because they didn't solve a Common Core math problem correctly, instead they used the traditional method. Usually, this is because what the teacher was giving them was not an assignment to solve a particular math problem. It was to get them to think about a number in a certain way, so that it could be used as a building block in the future.

Here is a good video:

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RichieW13 wrote:
"An example is math... there are multiple ways to solve a math problem. Many kids comprehend how to solve a solution differently, yet common core dictates...
"An example is math... there are multiple ways to solve a math problem. Many kids comprehend how to solve a solution differently, yet common core dictates that it must be solved only one way."

Complaints about Common Core almost always come down to math. This is incorrect. Common Core is actually about teaching kids more ways to work with math. The idea is that when you learn how to solve a long multiplication problem using an algorithm, you don't really learn what the numbers mean. It becomes an abstract operation.

Instead, Common Core asks students to look at numbers a different way. It teaches them to actually understand what they mean. It teaches them to break them up into parts to do large problems in their heads. I always did well at math in school. And I have always been good at working with numbers in my head. I can break them down into pieces and calculate them. This is something I figured out on my own. Common Core is trying to teach everybody those same tactics.

Occasionally you will see somebody post something online where their kid was graded wrong because they didn't solve a Common Core math problem correctly, instead they used the traditional method. Usually, this is because what the teacher was giving them was not an assignment to solve a particular math problem. It was to get them to think about a number in a certain way, so that it could be used as a building block in the future.

Here is a good video:

I understand what they’re trying to accomplish. My son and I both can figure out problems quite easily in our heads. This doesn’t mean everyone can comprehend this method or that they don’t figure it out differently in their own head. Many end up struggling because they offer no other methods to solve a problem. They only teach in this method... so, this is the only choice.

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I’ll admit when I saw people complaining about common core I didn’t think it would lead to a principled argument on how to teach mathematics. Respect.
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Common core is a giant load of monkey shit.
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RichieW13 wrote:
"An example is math... there are multiple ways to solve a math problem. Many kids comprehend how to solve a solution differently, yet common core dictates...
"An example is math... there are multiple ways to solve a math problem. Many kids comprehend how to solve a solution differently, yet common core dictates that it must be solved only one way."

Complaints about Common Core almost always come down to math. This is incorrect. Common Core is actually about teaching kids more ways to work with math. The idea is that when you learn how to solve a long multiplication problem using an algorithm, you don't really learn what the numbers mean. It becomes an abstract operation.

Instead, Common Core asks students to look at numbers a different way. It teaches them to actually understand what they mean. It teaches them to break them up into parts to do large problems in their heads. I always did well at math in school. And I have always been good at working with numbers in my head. I can break them down into pieces and calculate them. This is something I figured out on my own. Common Core is trying to teach everybody those same tactics.

Occasionally you will see somebody post something online where their kid was graded wrong because they didn't solve a Common Core math problem correctly, instead they used the traditional method. Usually, this is because what the teacher was giving them was not an assignment to solve a particular math problem. It was to get them to think about a number in a certain way, so that it could be used as a building block in the future.

Here is a good video:

racerx317 wrote:
I understand what they’re trying to accomplish. My son and I both can figure out problems quite easily in our heads. This doesn’t mean everyone can...
I understand what they’re trying to accomplish. My son and I both can figure out problems quite easily in our heads. This doesn’t mean everyone can comprehend this method or that they don’t figure it out differently in their own head. Many end up struggling because they offer no other methods to solve a problem. They only teach in this method... so, this is the only choice.

That's absolutely false, unless you are dealing with an extremely lazy instructor.

Four kids through the "system", and none of them were subject to what you are describing. Although I will admit that the sort of view you are presenting was definitely a big push for the conspiracy peddlers and the ditto-head listeners.....
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7/3/2019 5:43pm
The quality of homeschooling and public schooling alike is so insanely variable - from state to state, city to city, county to county - that it is absolutely impossible to decide, 100%, which is best.

What I CAN say is that depriving your kid of a proper education and normal social life is a pretty shitty thing to do. There *are* excellent homeschool programs, but there are just as many that create functionally and socially illiterate incels, with brains pickled in wingnut propaganda.
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Common core is a giant load of monkey shit.
What makes you think that?
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Retired teacher here, and my advise to today’s parents is begin homeschooling from fifth grade on. At this point in California I believe that there is zero constructive learning happening in the classroom beyond fourth grade.
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