What is needed to keep tracks together?

GangGreen wrote:

[b]Time to reduce knob size? This might be the dumbest thing I’ve ever heard !!! So, instead of removing the ridiculously outdated “Double-displacement rule” that permits...

Time to reduce knob size?

This might be the dumbest thing I’ve ever heard !!!

So, instead of removing the ridiculously outdated “Double-displacement rule” that permits 450cc motocross bikes, a SOLUTION is to make the tires crappier???

You’re claiming tires with less grip will slow riders’ down and cause less track wear. The supplemental “Double-Displacement Rule” should have been modified every two years, like a “Balance of Performance Initiative” works in auto racing. The AMA Classes are still 125cc and 250cc, with a supplemental rule permitting 4-strokes larger displacement. The stupid rule caused this.
I do like that you offer solutions to serious problems and not just complaints, like most Vitards.

Photo Credit: Cudby / RacerX

Chris_Cooksey wrote:

Seriously dumbest thing ever, haha I don’t disagree the displacement is too high, but small motor with lots of traction means riders will need to be...

Seriously dumbest thing ever, haha I don’t disagree the displacement is too high, but small motor with lots of traction means riders will need to be built like jockeys. No more big riders like Kevin Windham, Davi Millsaps or Weston Peick.

GuyB wrote:

Would tires wear faster? If chunking is one of the big wear issues now, I’d suggest that a shorter knob height might help there.

Gravel wrote:

I avoid tires that chunk off knobs, and replace my tires when the knobs are worn down between a third and half gone. But I hear...

I avoid tires that chunk off knobs, and replace my tires when the knobs are worn down between a third and half gone. But I hear you, some tires shed knobs way too easy. I’m more of an off road rider now, I’m buying different tires these days..

Do you think shorter knobs would help the tracks hold up better? Doesn’t the FIM require short knobs for ISDE type racing?

GangGreen wrote:

[b]Time to reduce knob size? This might be the dumbest thing I’ve ever heard !!! So, instead of removing the ridiculously outdated “Double-displacement rule” that permits...

Time to reduce knob size?

This might be the dumbest thing I’ve ever heard !!!

So, instead of removing the ridiculously outdated “Double-displacement rule” that permits 450cc motocross bikes, a SOLUTION is to make the tires crappier???

You’re claiming tires with less grip will slow riders’ down and cause less track wear. The supplemental “Double-Displacement Rule” should have been modified every two years, like a “Balance of Performance Initiative” works in auto racing. The AMA Classes are still 125cc and 250cc, with a supplemental rule permitting 4-strokes larger displacement. The stupid rule caused this.
I do like that you offer solutions to serious problems and not just complaints, like most Vitards.

Photo Credit: Cudby / RacerX

Chris_Cooksey wrote:

Seriously dumbest thing ever, haha I don’t disagree the displacement is too high, but small motor with lots of traction means riders will need to be...

Seriously dumbest thing ever, haha I don’t disagree the displacement is too high, but small motor with lots of traction means riders will need to be built like jockeys. No more big riders like Kevin Windham, Davi Millsaps or Weston Peick.

Compromised wrote:

Less knobbies, less grip?

You guys must have never tried a rear trials tire...

Silas444 wrote:

Forgive me for replaying my broken record yet again, but if the AMA would simply lower the weight limit by 25 pounds, then everything, from injuries...

Forgive me for replaying my broken record yet again, but if the AMA would simply lower the weight limit by 25 pounds, then everything, from injuries to race quality to track breakdown to two-stroke participation to the viability of smaller displacement four-stroke engines to fan interest to riders' career length to the bikes we would all eventually get to ride, improves greatly. Good God, it is longgggggggggggggggggg past time, said the old dude who might as well be shouting at the moon.

wavslide1 wrote:

Asphalt the track and change the name to road-a-cross. :-)

wavslide1 wrote:

Asphalt the track and change the name to road-a-cross. :-)

zippytech wrote:

That looks to be what people want.. synthetic SX. so every one can go the same speed. It's not like there was no ruts in the...

That looks to be what people want.. synthetic SX. so every one can go the same speed.

It's not like there was no ruts in the 80's and 90's. Imagine spinning up the face of a jump and coming up short cause lack of knobbies.

Bad Idea

zippytech wrote:

I was not really talk about super moto, more of a full on sx track that is made out of man made materials with no dirt...

I was not really talk about super moto, more of a full on sx track that is made out of man made materials with no dirt.

That would make all the guys that don't like changing conditions happy.

Stuntman949 wrote:

Ever slammed on a BMX race track? Hurts like a real motherfucker

zippytech wrote:

No I have not, I am not for any of it, I think the dirt is fine the way it is, but some think it's too...

No I have not, I am not for any of it, I think the dirt is fine the way it is, but some think it's too difficult to race on.

Compromised wrote:

Less knobbies, less grip?

You guys must have never tried a rear trials tire...

BobPA wrote:

Ride a trials tire in mud or soft dirt, then get back to us...

zippytech wrote:

I was not really talk about super moto, more of a full on sx track that is made out of man made materials with no dirt...

I was not really talk about super moto, more of a full on sx track that is made out of man made materials with no dirt.

That would make all the guys that don't like changing conditions happy.

Stuntman949 wrote:

Ever slammed on a BMX race track? Hurts like a real motherfucker

Stuntman949 wrote:

For the record, I'm fine with it too. Just wish they had more dirt to give the tracks more personality/ technicality

Chris_Cooksey wrote:

Missing my point, more traction and less power means larger riders are at a disadvantage. We aren’t there yet, but look at road racing, any big...

Missing my point, more traction and less power means larger riders are at a disadvantage. We aren’t there yet, but look at road racing, any big MotoGP Stars?

Bultaco wrote:

Dig up the adobe from Carlsbad. Haul it from stadium to stadium. Roll it. If the course is blue groove every week the tires will sort...

Dig up the adobe from Carlsbad. Haul it from stadium to stadium. Roll it. If the course is blue groove every week the tires will sort themselves out. Everyone will be on K-180s in no time.

Or go back to 125s, 250s.

Or rent a some extra skid-steers and groom the whole track on every commercial break.

GuyB wrote:

Would tires wear faster? If chunking is one of the big wear issues now, I’d suggest that a shorter knob height might help there.

Gravel wrote:

I avoid tires that chunk off knobs, and replace my tires when the knobs are worn down between a third and half gone. But I hear...

I avoid tires that chunk off knobs, and replace my tires when the knobs are worn down between a third and half gone. But I hear you, some tires shed knobs way too easy. I’m more of an off road rider now, I’m buying different tires these days..

Do you think shorter knobs would help the tracks hold up better? Doesn’t the FIM require short knobs for ISDE type racing?

ML512 wrote:

ISDE requires a type of tire that is framed road legal in the EU I believe. So yes, it’s a short knob design.

brocster wrote:

There should be no more horsepower on a supercross track than what a 250cc 2t puts out. 500cc 2t didn’t race sx back when because it...

There should be no more horsepower on a supercross track than what a 250cc 2t puts out. 500cc 2t didn’t race sx back when because it was “too much”. Lets not circumvent the problem by reducing the periphials. If thats the case, you want to slow them down, cut suspension travel in half...thanks for thinking outside the box cooksey but tires are not the problem.

Should be simple: covered stadium use lime as needed. Outside stadium, rain in forecast, no lime.