Marv's cross jump at Redbud

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7/10/2018 11:26am
Must have been close because it pissed Kenny off. He tried to chop Eli off in the first moto at the Wick also when Eli passed him on the outside, they bounced off each other.

But Marvs a nice guy, and he's French so you know you can't criticize him and stuff or else you are in the same boat as the guy giving him the finger. Huh Huh
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7/10/2018 11:30am
fuk that french bastard
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7/10/2018 11:34am
Roczen would have gotten destroyed had he not made the split second move to brake and avoid Marvin's goon out. Marvin loves to swerve across the track to block. If you haven't picked up on it, you mustn't be very aware or experienced. This Red Bud incident was a mistake, but it was indeed a bad cross jump.
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dimetime wrote:
Ok, we'll go over this again for the slower of mind here on Vital. Being in the lead and racing your line in not cross jumping...
Ok, we'll go over this again for the slower of mind here on Vital.

Being in the lead and racing your line in not cross jumping. Period. When you're in front the track is yours. The whole thing, side to side, front to back, it's your track. You cannot cross jump by definition.

Swerving over on someone who is clearly faster and doing it only as a block or intimidation tactic is cross jumping.

Inswear some of you guys don't know the meaning of words or you all just love to play semantic games. Either way it doesn't help your case.
Just so we’re clear, if the lead rider is the faster of the two, anything he does is not cross jumping. However, if the lead rider is the slowest of the two, jumping across the track is cross jumping, correct?
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7/10/2018 11:43am
Well, you are DDavis. That says a lot.
I'm not Ddavis anymore. That egotistic kid is far gone Laughing
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7/10/2018 11:58am
Musquin hating morans. Everybody cross jumps...

Maybe you need to call him and tell him to just let Eli by. Cool
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7/10/2018 12:09pm Edited Date/Time 7/10/2018 12:10pm
Marvins "crossjumping" has to be the biggest myth in moto/SX.

He doesn't deliberately crossjump any more than any other riders. Fading from one side to the other side on jumps to line up for the next corner is a completely different thing that 95% of riders out there with any kind of skill does(including me).

Like some of you already mentioned. I'm still waiting for the 15 minute long compilation of Marvins outrageous riding antics that no one else does.
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Roczen would have gotten destroyed had he not made the split second move to brake and avoid Marvin's goon out. Marvin loves to swerve across the...
Roczen would have gotten destroyed had he not made the split second move to brake and avoid Marvin's goon out. Marvin loves to swerve across the track to block. If you haven't picked up on it, you mustn't be very aware or experienced. This Red Bud incident was a mistake, but it was indeed a bad cross jump.
i agree with you about Red Bud, he made a mistake and looked like a spode while doing it...Definitely not intentional.
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7/10/2018 12:13pm
davistld01 wrote:
Musquin hating morans. Everybody cross jumps...

Maybe you need to call him and tell him to just let Eli by. Cool
Pretty sure he crossed jumped Kenny this weekend not Tomac....Cool
7/10/2018 12:13pm
For anyone that wanted video of the incident.

Image from Gyazo

Looks to me like he hooked up at the last second and it shot him into Kenny's line. I'm not a fan of cross jumping when anyone does it but I would not say this is intentional cross jumping, could happen to anyone.
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7/10/2018 12:16pm Edited Date/Time 7/10/2018 12:24pm
For anyone that wanted video of the incident. Looks to me like he hooked up at the last second and it shot him into Kenny's line...
For anyone that wanted video of the incident.

Image from Gyazo

Looks to me like he hooked up at the last second and it shot him into Kenny's line. I'm not a fan of cross jumping when anyone does it but I would not say this is intentional cross jumping, could happen to anyone.
Anyone that doesn't see this as a mistake from Marvin is either:

1. Stupid
2. Has never jumped jumps with a "slippery" base right after a corner

Like you say. We can clearly see that he loses the rear end and it throws him off when he gained the traction back.
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7/10/2018 12:19pm
Well, you are DDavis. That says a lot.
I'm not Ddavis anymore. That egotistic kid is far gone Laughing
I have to say that I concur, so welcome to Vital and STFU!
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7/10/2018 12:22pm
Oh, and to me the above gif clearly shows that Marvin squirreled of the face and did not "cross jump"
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im really mad
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Pot, meet kettle...
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7/10/2018 12:37pm
For anyone that wanted video of the incident. Looks to me like he hooked up at the last second and it shot him into Kenny's line...
For anyone that wanted video of the incident.

Image from Gyazo

Looks to me like he hooked up at the last second and it shot him into Kenny's line. I'm not a fan of cross jumping when anyone does it but I would not say this is intentional cross jumping, could happen to anyone.
That's enough to change my opinion. Thank you
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dimetime wrote:
Ok, we'll go over this again for the slower of mind here on Vital. Being in the lead and racing your line in not cross jumping...
Ok, we'll go over this again for the slower of mind here on Vital.

Being in the lead and racing your line in not cross jumping. Period. When you're in front the track is yours. The whole thing, side to side, front to back, it's your track. You cannot cross jump by definition.

Swerving over on someone who is clearly faster and doing it only as a block or intimidation tactic is cross jumping.

Inswear some of you guys don't know the meaning of words or you all just love to play semantic games. Either way it doesn't help your case.
Agree with most of that. I saw Kenny get a good drive out of the corner and try to pass Marv back, but shutoff when he saw Marv drift over into him. Marv was in front so Kenny dealt with it. At the last minute Marv hit something that caused him to drift wider.
The part I don’t agree with is deliberately swerving in front of big jumps instead of holding your line. I can’t say I’ve seen that out of Marv. As others have pointed out, slick approaches to jumps causes a lot of riders to drift from inside to outside approaching typical short approach SX jumps.
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7/10/2018 12:45pm Edited Date/Time 7/10/2018 1:15pm
When I was watching the moto live my initial reaction was like WTF Marv. Then I watched it a few times and he clearly doesn’t do it on purpose. The bike hooked up on the face of the jump and shot him left. Unfortunately Marv is a known cross-jumper and known to run guys off the track. He won’t ever get the benefit of the doubt in these situations. It sucks and isn’t fair to him to receive all the hate but as you made your bed, so you must lie in it. There are a lot of people in the industry claiming it.

References (sorry no compilation video)
-Jason Thomas- always commenting on how Musquin crossing jumping
-SwizCorner Pulp Mx “Nations Collide” article
-Musquin v Webb 2015 Washougal
-Musquin-Seely 2018 SX
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For anyone that wanted video of the incident. Looks to me like he hooked up at the last second and it shot him into Kenny's line...
For anyone that wanted video of the incident.

Image from Gyazo

Looks to me like he hooked up at the last second and it shot him into Kenny's line. I'm not a fan of cross jumping when anyone does it but I would not say this is intentional cross jumping, could happen to anyone.
Nuthin’ wrong with that.
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7/10/2018 1:11pm
Marvin rides a wide bike, and for sure there's been some stuff in the past where he's been guilty of cross-jumping a rider (see the 2015 outdoor season) but at Red Bud it does look like he got kicked a bit off line on the face of the jump.

For a great example of cross-jumping, watch Cooper Webb at Daytona this year on the long straight. He literally goes side to side trying to hold off Tomac, who was going a lot faster. Tomac did the right thing and cleaned him out, but the problem is that Eli has little practice at riding like that so he crashed too
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7/10/2018 1:15pm
dimetime wrote:
Ok, we'll go over this again for the slower of mind here on Vital. Being in the lead and racing your line in not cross jumping...
Ok, we'll go over this again for the slower of mind here on Vital.

Being in the lead and racing your line in not cross jumping. Period. When you're in front the track is yours. The whole thing, side to side, front to back, it's your track. You cannot cross jump by definition.

Swerving over on someone who is clearly faster and doing it only as a block or intimidation tactic is cross jumping.

Inswear some of you guys don't know the meaning of words or you all just love to play semantic games. Either way it doesn't help your case.
That’s the DUMBEST shit I ever read. Cross jumping is cross jumping. By your definition you’re not drinking and driving if there are no other cars on the road.

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7/10/2018 1:16pm
For anyone that wanted video of the incident. Looks to me like he hooked up at the last second and it shot him into Kenny's line...
For anyone that wanted video of the incident.

Image from Gyazo

Looks to me like he hooked up at the last second and it shot him into Kenny's line. I'm not a fan of cross jumping when anyone does it but I would not say this is intentional cross jumping, could happen to anyone.
Motofinne wrote:
Anyone that doesn't see this as a mistake from Marvin is either: 1. Stupid 2. Has never jumped jumps with a "slippery" base right after a...
Anyone that doesn't see this as a mistake from Marvin is either:

1. Stupid
2. Has never jumped jumps with a "slippery" base right after a corner

Like you say. We can clearly see that he loses the rear end and it throws him off when he gained the traction back.
Some mini-Chadapult action no doubt.
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7/10/2018 1:25pm
dimetime wrote:
Ok, we'll go over this again for the slower of mind here on Vital. Being in the lead and racing your line in not cross jumping...
Ok, we'll go over this again for the slower of mind here on Vital.

Being in the lead and racing your line in not cross jumping. Period. When you're in front the track is yours. The whole thing, side to side, front to back, it's your track. You cannot cross jump by definition.

Swerving over on someone who is clearly faster and doing it only as a block or intimidation tactic is cross jumping.

Inswear some of you guys don't know the meaning of words or you all just love to play semantic games. Either way it doesn't help your case.
KurtJ99 wrote:
Agree with most of that. I saw Kenny get a good drive out of the corner and try to pass Marv back, but shutoff when he...
Agree with most of that. I saw Kenny get a good drive out of the corner and try to pass Marv back, but shutoff when he saw Marv drift over into him. Marv was in front so Kenny dealt with it. At the last minute Marv hit something that caused him to drift wider.
The part I don’t agree with is deliberately swerving in front of big jumps instead of holding your line. I can’t say I’ve seen that out of Marv. As others have pointed out, slick approaches to jumps causes a lot of riders to drift from inside to outside approaching typical short approach SX jumps.
So the problem here is that luckily Ken was able to shut it off and it was just a table top. Imagine trying to shut it off at the last second when committed to a triple jump or an uphill double or something other then a nice safe table top where shutting it off won't necessarily kill you.

That's the problem with cross jumping. If you have to shut off on the face of a jump you are already committed on doing. Or you can't shut off in time and cross lines. Either way it's super sketchy. Super dangerous and that is why RACERS hate that move. It's an unwritten racing rule. If folks here at Vital don't understand it then they have never raced and/or have never been cross jumped on.

It's dangerous and every racer knows this.

Go ask Eli Tomac, Cooper Webb, Justin Barcia, etc what they think of Marvin's cross jumping....

Or will folks here also ask them to provide video proof.
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7/10/2018 1:27pm
slipdog wrote:
Oh, and to me the above gif clearly shows that Marvin squirreled of the face and did not "cross jump"
oh, and to me the above gif clearly shows Slip knows his shit and if you don't agree then fuck you
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7/10/2018 1:28pm
I've gotten out of shape on the face and crossed over and have had it happen to me as well. It sucks, and causes major puckering up, but it happens.

It would really surprise me to learn that a rider intentionally crossed over into another rider in the air to shut them down or possibly connect with them in the air, it can only end poorly for both riders.

I do agree that being out front gives one the track and the rider coming up on the leader is obligated to pay attention to the maneuverings of the front runner and negotiate himself past, the leader has the track.
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7/10/2018 1:36pm
The vital rider critique police are out in force....watch out pros you might get a telling off because vital knows better

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7/10/2018 1:40pm
I WANT TO SET SOMETHING STRAIGHT... when criticizing another, let's use a different word than Moron;

Since none of you inbreeds know how to spell it.
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7/10/2018 1:41pm
I think this scenario was an accident, but the move over on Barcia on the step up at highpoint was BS
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7/10/2018 1:48pm
dimetime wrote:
Ok, we'll go over this again for the slower of mind here on Vital. Being in the lead and racing your line in not cross jumping...
Ok, we'll go over this again for the slower of mind here on Vital.

Being in the lead and racing your line in not cross jumping. Period. When you're in front the track is yours. The whole thing, side to side, front to back, it's your track. You cannot cross jump by definition.

Swerving over on someone who is clearly faster and doing it only as a block or intimidation tactic is cross jumping.

Inswear some of you guys don't know the meaning of words or you all just love to play semantic games. Either way it doesn't help your case.
Racer111 wrote:
That’s the DUMBEST shit I ever read. Cross jumping is cross jumping. By your definition you’re not drinking and driving if there are no other cars...
That’s the DUMBEST shit I ever read. Cross jumping is cross jumping. By your definition you’re not drinking and driving if there are no other cars on the road.

I agree with 111

Dimetime: Your saying if your ahead of a guy you can go left, right, left, fly off jumps left right, left right all the fuck over the place? What about the fastest way between two points is a straight(ish) line. What about holding your line between corners?

your two cents?
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7/10/2018 1:54pm
aroark247 wrote:
I WANT TO SET SOMETHING STRAIGHT... when criticizing another, let's use a different word than Moron;

Since none of you inbreeds know how to spell it.
“Let’s get one thing straight.” Not “something!”
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7/10/2018 1:55pm
That vid is clear. Cross jump, yes. Intentional no. I got unintentionally cross jumped this weekend on the Road jump at Washougal. Rider 1 checked, rider 2 (my buddy Roger) HAD to jump right to left to miss rider 1, and I was already fully committed on the left line. I landed on Roger's rear tire and it ripped the bars out of my hands and sent me for for a nice tumble down the back side. Just bruised ribs, shoulder, hand, and neck. Could have been a lot worse. I'm not mad at Roger. I had the option to check too but since it was first lap and we were all in the lead pack of 5 I figured everyone would be jumping it. I figured wrong. $hit happens fast in this sport.

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