So James is just...gone? Really?

ctbale wrote:

Some of you smart fucks school the rest, so what happens if he decides to race A1? Does he just go there and there is a...

Some of you smart fucks school the rest, so what happens if he decides to race A1? Does he just go there and there is a spot for him to qualify? (dont make me start another JS7 thread!)

Sheriff245 wrote:

MSR is still around...

Falcon wrote:

Seven was just purchased by the company that owns Matrix, Next and Tag metals. You'll see that brand for a while.

brocsdad wrote:

7idp is part of matrix etc.

It is not the same company

kzizok wrote:

Like sands through the hourglass, so are the days of our lives.

UpTiTe wrote:

Honest question, do you really think a company would hold back telling the world they signed Stewy?

UpTiTe wrote:

Honest question, do you really think a company would hold back telling the world they signed Stewy?

richter28 wrote:

Yes because there are a multiple companies not announcing anything right now. He won't be at A1 but he'll be out there eventually.

Falcon wrote:

Seven was just purchased by the company that owns Matrix, Next and Tag metals. You'll see that brand for a while.

brocsdad wrote:

7idp is part of matrix etc.

It is not the same company

moscrop940 wrote:

Exactly what he said.

7IDP is a bicycle protection brand, which was acquired by the Matrix/TAG/NEXT people, has nothing to do with SE7EN moto.

bd wrote:

This! I expected Stew to come back from his suspension fit, ripped and ready to rock. Was I ever wrong..... he came back out of shape...

This! I expected Stew to come back from his suspension fit, ripped and ready to rock. Was I ever wrong..... he came back out of shape and Dunge knocked him the fuck out. If Stew does not focus on racing like Dunge, Tomac, Canard, Roczen, he has NO chance. What team would invest in him? I would place a fitness clause in my contract with him.

Stew... if you are not racing for titles, gracefully bow out. You are one of the GOATS..... nothing to prove.

GuyB wrote:

Here's my take. After he finally got the green light to return to racing, James did the Straight Rhythm (which he won on skill, not fitness)...

Here's my take.

After he finally got the green light to return to racing, James did the Straight Rhythm (which he won on skill, not fitness), and he had a couple international races lined up after that. The first one was on French soil in Lille, the same weekend as the terrorist attack in Paris. Obviously that made it an unusual weekend. He and Malcolm were both spooked by it, and had to be coaxed into riding by Eric Perronard. While on the track early in the night, James came up short in a section, which bucked him rear end high into the next corner. He nose-wheelied in, couldn't get stopped, and smashed his leg in-between his and Malcolm's bikes. That killed the weekend in France, as well as the race in Australia, and I'd guess, a large portion of the time that he'd have used to seriously prep for the '16 season.

We know how he tangled with Dungey at A1, and how that set him out for several races. I don't know for sure, but the way he slapped the ground, I'd guess that concussion was a biggie. I'd heard a couple different times that when he tried to come back, it was like there was too much coming at him...it was hard to process it all. The usual way to heal up from that is no riding, time off, and to keep your heart rate down. Not a great recipe for getting back in shape.

I don't know how many concussions he's had during his career, either at the races, or while training at home, but I can think of a handful.

This summer? I know the outdoors has never been his first priority, but it was disheartening to see the races that he did do. There are still flashes of the old brilliance, but they're not as frequent, and not as spectacular. Throughout his career, he's been one of a handful of guys that I'd have happily paid to watch ride. But he sure didn't look like the old James last summer, and if you look around, a lot of his contemporaries are retired. I'm not sure how many team manager would want to wrap their race team budgets around the kind of deals he's been accustomed to, or what other strings might be attached.

At this point he's started a family, and I'd hope he could happily retire and live the good life...if that's what he wants to do. If he wants to put in the work to get to where he was before, and it's worth the risk to him to make it happen, I'd be just as happy to watch that. Either way, I hope he's good with it. I've known people in other sports who were forced to retire...not on their own terms, and it's sometimes tough to watch.

Ramrod wrote:

It's also weird that with him being his gear company's top rider he isn't out there more pushing the brand. I think he still loves to...

It's also weird that with him being his gear company's top rider he isn't out there more pushing the brand.

I think he still loves to ride Mx but is just over racing it: training, pressure, media, expectations, travel... Who knows.

RandyS wrote:

With no James Stewart racing I can't see how there will be a Seven within a year or two.

UpTiTe wrote:

If I remember right, you said he will be lining up on a Honda therefore, I win the bet.

JohnRoy wrote:

You have the worst track record on vital about your "inside info". You are the worst self proclaimed "insider" on the internet.

bd wrote:

This! I expected Stew to come back from his suspension fit, ripped and ready to rock. Was I ever wrong..... he came back out of shape...

This! I expected Stew to come back from his suspension fit, ripped and ready to rock. Was I ever wrong..... he came back out of shape and Dunge knocked him the fuck out. If Stew does not focus on racing like Dunge, Tomac, Canard, Roczen, he has NO chance. What team would invest in him? I would place a fitness clause in my contract with him.

Stew... if you are not racing for titles, gracefully bow out. You are one of the GOATS..... nothing to prove.

GuyB wrote:

Here's my take. After he finally got the green light to return to racing, James did the Straight Rhythm (which he won on skill, not fitness)...

Here's my take.

After he finally got the green light to return to racing, James did the Straight Rhythm (which he won on skill, not fitness), and he had a couple international races lined up after that. The first one was on French soil in Lille, the same weekend as the terrorist attack in Paris. Obviously that made it an unusual weekend. He and Malcolm were both spooked by it, and had to be coaxed into riding by Eric Perronard. While on the track early in the night, James came up short in a section, which bucked him rear end high into the next corner. He nose-wheelied in, couldn't get stopped, and smashed his leg in-between his and Malcolm's bikes. That killed the weekend in France, as well as the race in Australia, and I'd guess, a large portion of the time that he'd have used to seriously prep for the '16 season.

We know how he tangled with Dungey at A1, and how that set him out for several races. I don't know for sure, but the way he slapped the ground, I'd guess that concussion was a biggie. I'd heard a couple different times that when he tried to come back, it was like there was too much coming at him...it was hard to process it all. The usual way to heal up from that is no riding, time off, and to keep your heart rate down. Not a great recipe for getting back in shape.

I don't know how many concussions he's had during his career, either at the races, or while training at home, but I can think of a handful.

This summer? I know the outdoors has never been his first priority, but it was disheartening to see the races that he did do. There are still flashes of the old brilliance, but they're not as frequent, and not as spectacular. Throughout his career, he's been one of a handful of guys that I'd have happily paid to watch ride. But he sure didn't look like the old James last summer, and if you look around, a lot of his contemporaries are retired. I'm not sure how many team manager would want to wrap their race team budgets around the kind of deals he's been accustomed to, or what other strings might be attached.

At this point he's started a family, and I'd hope he could happily retire and live the good life...if that's what he wants to do. If he wants to put in the work to get to where he was before, and it's worth the risk to him to make it happen, I'd be just as happy to watch that. Either way, I hope he's good with it. I've known people in other sports who were forced to retire...not on their own terms, and it's sometimes tough to watch.

GuyB wrote:

Here's my take. After he finally got the green light to return to racing, James did the Straight Rhythm (which he won on skill, not fitness)...

Here's my take.

After he finally got the green light to return to racing, James did the Straight Rhythm (which he won on skill, not fitness), and he had a couple international races lined up after that. The first one was on French soil in Lille, the same weekend as the terrorist attack in Paris. Obviously that made it an unusual weekend. He and Malcolm were both spooked by it, and had to be coaxed into riding by Eric Perronard. While on the track early in the night, James came up short in a section, which bucked him rear end high into the next corner. He nose-wheelied in, couldn't get stopped, and smashed his leg in-between his and Malcolm's bikes. That killed the weekend in France, as well as the race in Australia, and I'd guess, a large portion of the time that he'd have used to seriously prep for the '16 season.

We know how he tangled with Dungey at A1, and how that set him out for several races. I don't know for sure, but the way he slapped the ground, I'd guess that concussion was a biggie. I'd heard a couple different times that when he tried to come back, it was like there was too much coming at him...it was hard to process it all. The usual way to heal up from that is no riding, time off, and to keep your heart rate down. Not a great recipe for getting back in shape.

I don't know how many concussions he's had during his career, either at the races, or while training at home, but I can think of a handful.

This summer? I know the outdoors has never been his first priority, but it was disheartening to see the races that he did do. There are still flashes of the old brilliance, but they're not as frequent, and not as spectacular. Throughout his career, he's been one of a handful of guys that I'd have happily paid to watch ride. But he sure didn't look like the old James last summer, and if you look around, a lot of his contemporaries are retired. I'm not sure how many team manager would want to wrap their race team budgets around the kind of deals he's been accustomed to, or what other strings might be attached.

At this point he's started a family, and I'd hope he could happily retire and live the good life...if that's what he wants to do. If he wants to put in the work to get to where he was before, and it's worth the risk to him to make it happen, I'd be just as happy to watch that. Either way, I hope he's good with it. I've known people in other sports who were forced to retire...not on their own terms, and it's sometimes tough to watch.

gsxr6 wrote:

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bd wrote:

This! I expected Stew to come back from his suspension fit, ripped and ready to rock. Was I ever wrong..... he came back out of shape...

This! I expected Stew to come back from his suspension fit, ripped and ready to rock. Was I ever wrong..... he came back out of shape and Dunge knocked him the fuck out. If Stew does not focus on racing like Dunge, Tomac, Canard, Roczen, he has NO chance. What team would invest in him? I would place a fitness clause in my contract with him.

Stew... if you are not racing for titles, gracefully bow out. You are one of the GOATS..... nothing to prove.

GuyB wrote:

Here's my take. After he finally got the green light to return to racing, James did the Straight Rhythm (which he won on skill, not fitness)...

Here's my take.

After he finally got the green light to return to racing, James did the Straight Rhythm (which he won on skill, not fitness), and he had a couple international races lined up after that. The first one was on French soil in Lille, the same weekend as the terrorist attack in Paris. Obviously that made it an unusual weekend. He and Malcolm were both spooked by it, and had to be coaxed into riding by Eric Perronard. While on the track early in the night, James came up short in a section, which bucked him rear end high into the next corner. He nose-wheelied in, couldn't get stopped, and smashed his leg in-between his and Malcolm's bikes. That killed the weekend in France, as well as the race in Australia, and I'd guess, a large portion of the time that he'd have used to seriously prep for the '16 season.

We know how he tangled with Dungey at A1, and how that set him out for several races. I don't know for sure, but the way he slapped the ground, I'd guess that concussion was a biggie. I'd heard a couple different times that when he tried to come back, it was like there was too much coming at him...it was hard to process it all. The usual way to heal up from that is no riding, time off, and to keep your heart rate down. Not a great recipe for getting back in shape.

I don't know how many concussions he's had during his career, either at the races, or while training at home, but I can think of a handful.

This summer? I know the outdoors has never been his first priority, but it was disheartening to see the races that he did do. There are still flashes of the old brilliance, but they're not as frequent, and not as spectacular. Throughout his career, he's been one of a handful of guys that I'd have happily paid to watch ride. But he sure didn't look like the old James last summer, and if you look around, a lot of his contemporaries are retired. I'm not sure how many team manager would want to wrap their race team budgets around the kind of deals he's been accustomed to, or what other strings might be attached.

At this point he's started a family, and I'd hope he could happily retire and live the good life...if that's what he wants to do. If he wants to put in the work to get to where he was before, and it's worth the risk to him to make it happen, I'd be just as happy to watch that. Either way, I hope he's good with it. I've known people in other sports who were forced to retire...not on their own terms, and it's sometimes tough to watch.

jeffro503 wrote:

Really well said Steve. I feel selfish for saying it , but I sure would like to see him put in one more , healthy and...

Really well said Steve. I feel selfish for saying it , but I sure would like to see him put in one more , healthy and focused season. If that's possible?....I don't know. These past few years have been a train wreck , so I'd like to see him go out on a high note. I'm not saying he should win the title or anything , but more along the lines of just going out there and trying to put in some good finishes and just finish the series. It doesn't sound like it's going to happen now though since we only have like 3-1/2 weeks before A1.

bd wrote:

This! I expected Stew to come back from his suspension fit, ripped and ready to rock. Was I ever wrong..... he came back out of shape...

This! I expected Stew to come back from his suspension fit, ripped and ready to rock. Was I ever wrong..... he came back out of shape and Dunge knocked him the fuck out. If Stew does not focus on racing like Dunge, Tomac, Canard, Roczen, he has NO chance. What team would invest in him? I would place a fitness clause in my contract with him.

Stew... if you are not racing for titles, gracefully bow out. You are one of the GOATS..... nothing to prove.

GuyB wrote:

Here's my take. After he finally got the green light to return to racing, James did the Straight Rhythm (which he won on skill, not fitness)...

Here's my take.

After he finally got the green light to return to racing, James did the Straight Rhythm (which he won on skill, not fitness), and he had a couple international races lined up after that. The first one was on French soil in Lille, the same weekend as the terrorist attack in Paris. Obviously that made it an unusual weekend. He and Malcolm were both spooked by it, and had to be coaxed into riding by Eric Perronard. While on the track early in the night, James came up short in a section, which bucked him rear end high into the next corner. He nose-wheelied in, couldn't get stopped, and smashed his leg in-between his and Malcolm's bikes. That killed the weekend in France, as well as the race in Australia, and I'd guess, a large portion of the time that he'd have used to seriously prep for the '16 season.

We know how he tangled with Dungey at A1, and how that set him out for several races. I don't know for sure, but the way he slapped the ground, I'd guess that concussion was a biggie. I'd heard a couple different times that when he tried to come back, it was like there was too much coming at him...it was hard to process it all. The usual way to heal up from that is no riding, time off, and to keep your heart rate down. Not a great recipe for getting back in shape.

I don't know how many concussions he's had during his career, either at the races, or while training at home, but I can think of a handful.

This summer? I know the outdoors has never been his first priority, but it was disheartening to see the races that he did do. There are still flashes of the old brilliance, but they're not as frequent, and not as spectacular. Throughout his career, he's been one of a handful of guys that I'd have happily paid to watch ride. But he sure didn't look like the old James last summer, and if you look around, a lot of his contemporaries are retired. I'm not sure how many team manager would want to wrap their race team budgets around the kind of deals he's been accustomed to, or what other strings might be attached.

At this point he's started a family, and I'd hope he could happily retire and live the good life...if that's what he wants to do. If he wants to put in the work to get to where he was before, and it's worth the risk to him to make it happen, I'd be just as happy to watch that. Either way, I hope he's good with it. I've known people in other sports who were forced to retire...not on their own terms, and it's sometimes tough to watch.

GuyB wrote:

Here's my take. After he finally got the green light to return to racing, James did the Straight Rhythm (which he won on skill, not fitness)...

Here's my take.

After he finally got the green light to return to racing, James did the Straight Rhythm (which he won on skill, not fitness), and he had a couple international races lined up after that. The first one was on French soil in Lille, the same weekend as the terrorist attack in Paris. Obviously that made it an unusual weekend. He and Malcolm were both spooked by it, and had to be coaxed into riding by Eric Perronard. While on the track early in the night, James came up short in a section, which bucked him rear end high into the next corner. He nose-wheelied in, couldn't get stopped, and smashed his leg in-between his and Malcolm's bikes. That killed the weekend in France, as well as the race in Australia, and I'd guess, a large portion of the time that he'd have used to seriously prep for the '16 season.

We know how he tangled with Dungey at A1, and how that set him out for several races. I don't know for sure, but the way he slapped the ground, I'd guess that concussion was a biggie. I'd heard a couple different times that when he tried to come back, it was like there was too much coming at him...it was hard to process it all. The usual way to heal up from that is no riding, time off, and to keep your heart rate down. Not a great recipe for getting back in shape.

I don't know how many concussions he's had during his career, either at the races, or while training at home, but I can think of a handful.

This summer? I know the outdoors has never been his first priority, but it was disheartening to see the races that he did do. There are still flashes of the old brilliance, but they're not as frequent, and not as spectacular. Throughout his career, he's been one of a handful of guys that I'd have happily paid to watch ride. But he sure didn't look like the old James last summer, and if you look around, a lot of his contemporaries are retired. I'm not sure how many team manager would want to wrap their race team budgets around the kind of deals he's been accustomed to, or what other strings might be attached.

At this point he's started a family, and I'd hope he could happily retire and live the good life...if that's what he wants to do. If he wants to put in the work to get to where he was before, and it's worth the risk to him to make it happen, I'd be just as happy to watch that. Either way, I hope he's good with it. I've known people in other sports who were forced to retire...not on their own terms, and it's sometimes tough to watch.

kkawboy14 wrote:

Your obviously a hater!

I'm hoping he can be on the line.

davistld01 wrote:

Yeah, Jeff...I'm selfish too. I'd love to see him do at least a "farewell" season before he retires...but only if he's at the point where he...

Yeah, Jeff...I'm selfish too. I'd love to see him do at least a "farewell" season before he retires...but only if he's at the point where he can truly perform up to the level that he's been at in the past. And I have to believe nobody has been more disappointed with the last few years than James has. The guy has got to have had his confidence shaken horribly. It's one thing to be a mediocre rider and riding with less than stellar results. It's quite another thing to be James Bubba Stewart, and riding like a rookie...and having the social media keyboard pros rip you apart afterwards.

The point GuyB made about the effect of the concussions...even the ones that we have seen and know about, not to mention the ones he might have suffered on his own track that we don't...and that it was "too much coming at him" and that it was hard to process. I've had numerous concussions, a few in racing...but others elsewhere, and that description is so accurate to how things feel for the first day or two afterwards. And those were probably mild compared to what he's suffered, and fewer as well. I'd never heard it described that way, but it makes sense when you look at the crashes he's had...and his leaving the race because of weird reasons.

Frankly, I don't see James ever being a title contender again...I don't believe we'll see a JS7 in the same sharp edged shape like Dungey, Roczen or Tomac on the line at A1, or whatever even he might choose to show up at. I just hope that if he does show up, he shows up with confidence that he can run with those guys, and not be ashamed of anything.

But, I totally would respect his decision if he just decided to begin a new chapter in his life that was James Stewart the husband, father and businessman. That's as great a calling as being a pro racer as far as I'm concerned.

twotwosix wrote:

In my opinion (which isn't worth much) James should get in good physical shape again (not that hard, just takes a couple months of eating right...

In my opinion (which isn't worth much) James should get in good physical shape again (not that hard, just takes a couple months of eating right and training) and announce his retirement tour. Pick 5 races he wants to attend and make a big deal about it. I would imagine James HATES the way he is currently going out and wants to end it on better terms for his legacy. RC did a retirement tour and it went well. People liked seeing him dice it up here and there. James won't be as competitive as RC was at the end, but he would still be 'in the mix' from time to time.

kkawboy14 wrote:

Your obviously a hater!

I'm hoping he can be on the line.

GuyB wrote: