I'd like to apologize to the Euros

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1/20/2016 8:41pm
I must be in the minority. I'm actually looking forward to the event and what kind of track can be built in a race facility like that.

I always thought Daytona was mx than sx....and this one looks even bigger without as many jumps.

Something new. And i think it's kind of cool. Let's not judge it until it's here.
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1/20/2016 9:34pm
They gave us sand, we give them jumps
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It's really true, this really is a forum for people who hate motocross. You guys can whine bitch and complain all you want. I'm going to...
It's really true, this really is a forum for people who hate motocross.

You guys can whine bitch and complain all you want. I'm going to check out promotional models from economically-challenged Eastern Euopean countries who may want a US Visa. I'm going to watch 3 digit locals run mid-pack. I'm going to spot Hillbilly. I'm going to ask Guiseppe Luongo why he is slowly morphing into Billy Joel. I'm going to drink a shit load of beer. You tell 'em i'm coming to the race, and the devil's lettuce is comin with me.
What is the devils lettuce?
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1/20/2016 10:56pm Edited Date/Time 1/21/2016 9:44am
No appologies from the US needed -These are fairly appropriate to run again, as this is the questionable individual that is behind everything:



It's all down to this bloke, and, I think he "owns" the Worlds Championships until 2026. I'd love to see investigation into his, and a few of his FIM mates, machinations by the Swiss authorities - ala the current FIFA thing. Hell, they may get around to it - the Swiss may just extend their attention to so many other organisations 'set ups' in their country. The now, seemingly, defunct MXGPActiongroup site had a fair amount of info showing what could be regarded as illegalities under Swiss law with the whole Youthstream / MX World Championships deals.

But - if the Smiths(?) are willing to pay Luongos fees, well, let them take the risk. Several posters here have said that they are the ones to really push the event, so, good luck to them. They can't get a more piss poor showing of spectators than Southern California did with the first 2 GPs, and, last years spectator turn up was no great thing. It's not like Qatar where the Sheikhs are playing / paying with their small change, with no need to make any money from the event. Let's see how this years Glen Helen goes. I'd not be surprised to see the Charlotte GP having far greater spectator numbers.

Thank SXs all pervading influence for this sort of track. It's Americas' contribution to MX - for good or bad. And promoters are after the money. MX, through SX, seems to have become an artificial jump and artificial whoop fest. As I've said elsewhere, I hope they have the sense to make it largely of sand.

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1/20/2016 11:44pm
Maybe it´s not a supercross track, but is at a track as beautiful as Glen Helen, Unadilla. When there are tracks like that why does it has to be like this. I don´t think it´s bad for the sport, but it´s bad for us, fans. They organised a race in Assen to attract more people who normally wouldn´t come to see a mxgp. I think a real motocross fan likes it more to watch a race in Lierop than Assen. Just my opinion. Sorry for my bad english haha!
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I dont give a rats arse what the track is like, just stoked to see them race here.... Woohoo
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the assen gp was pretty epic. I don't see any problem. the riders loved it and it made for good racing. i know some of you just want a bunch of 2 strokes blasting through sand. the sport is evolving, deal with it.
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By the time they get to the US for Charlotte Motor Speedway and Glen Helen the championships are decided and many riders will be injured.

These stadium tracks started in 2013 on the Lausitzring and at the time I was a fan of Daytona so I liked the idea but Assen should be enough.
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1/21/2016 12:41am Edited Date/Time 1/21/2016 12:41am
About time the Euros learnt how to ride SX, don't you reckon? Cool
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Reggsie wrote:
About time the Euros learnt how to ride SX, don't you reckon? Cool
Pourcel, Roczen and Musquin have won the 250SX Championship. Any Aussie gonna win one anytime soon? Laughing
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Reggsie wrote:
About time the Euros learnt how to ride SX, don't you reckon? Cool
yeah roczen, musquin, wilson and pourcel doing pretty awful.
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newmann wrote:
Fuck the sport and all of its history, we have a TV schedule!!! Fuggin' whiners.
I'm with ya' brotha...
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as long as it's not every round I'm cool with it.. Besides this makes me smile






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Just needs monster trucks too.... Murcia' luongo style
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1/21/2016 3:18am Edited Date/Time 1/21/2016 3:19am
dcg141 wrote:
Oddly enough Hare Scrambles are evolving into faster shorter courses that sometime resemble huge outdoor MX tracks. The off road purists are not happy with those...
Oddly enough Hare Scrambles are evolving into faster shorter courses that sometime resemble huge outdoor MX tracks. The off road purists are not happy with those turn of events. I'm helping put on a race this month and we have been asked by the series promoter to cut it back to 5 miles. Usually the course is twice that long. We have a new clearcut section that I'm trying to get bulldozed in time to have huge natural MX style section.
Isnt a "bull dozed natural section" an oxymoran?
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dcg141 wrote:
Oddly enough Hare Scrambles are evolving into faster shorter courses that sometime resemble huge outdoor MX tracks. The off road purists are not happy with those...
Oddly enough Hare Scrambles are evolving into faster shorter courses that sometime resemble huge outdoor MX tracks. The off road purists are not happy with those turn of events. I'm helping put on a race this month and we have been asked by the series promoter to cut it back to 5 miles. Usually the course is twice that long. We have a new clearcut section that I'm trying to get bulldozed in time to have huge natural MX style section.
10000hrs wrote:
Isnt a "bull dozed natural section" an oxymoran?
Laughing Laughing Laughing

I almost didn't catch that.
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1/21/2016 4:07am Edited Date/Time 1/21/2016 4:19am
ayearinmx wrote:
There are 18 rounds next year...... 4 of which will be held in road-racing circuits (5 if you count Valkenswaard, but no one ever seems to)...
There are 18 rounds next year...... 4 of which will be held in road-racing circuits (5 if you count Valkenswaard, but no one ever seems to)

Qatar is first, the new Thailand track might not even be at one, but I'll include for now, then there is Assen (which I went to last year and thoroughly enjoyed) and now this one.

4/18...... that's 22.2%

Go look up photos (i'm too lazy to post) of St Jean D'Angely, Matterley Basin, Loket, Talavera, Argentina, Teutschenthal, and Arco di Trento..... and let's not forget Glen Helen the following week. People so easily get the pitchforks out about stuff that they.... ahhh forget it. I'll finish now. Keep up the complaining and hopefully see some of you in Charlotte.
Don't bring the truth to some classic GL bashing. Laughing

So many traditional tracks still part of the series like Talavera, Maggiora, Arco, St, Jean, Loket, Teutcschenthal, Lommel, Valkenswaard and Glen Helen.

Assen was a complete success I don't know why anyone would complain about it. And the reason GL is doing it in Charlotte is becuause US MX fans don't go to MXGP races in the USA at regular mx tracks, so bring it to the city and get some new fans....it's not a bad idea. Let's see if it works first before bashing.

A mix of traditional and new is fine, it's what makes the championship so diverse and the riders so versatile.
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I think it will be cool. And I don't apologize. Lol
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Maybe it´s not a supercross track, but is at a track as beautiful as Glen Helen, Unadilla. When there are tracks like that why does it...
Maybe it´s not a supercross track, but is at a track as beautiful as Glen Helen, Unadilla. When there are tracks like that why does it has to be like this. I don´t think it´s bad for the sport, but it´s bad for us, fans. They organised a race in Assen to attract more people who normally wouldn´t come to see a mxgp. I think a real motocross fan likes it more to watch a race in Lierop than Assen. Just my opinion. Sorry for my bad english haha!
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They race Glen Helen the week after...
1/21/2016 4:19am
ayearinmx wrote:
There are 18 rounds next year...... 4 of which will be held in road-racing circuits (5 if you count Valkenswaard, but no one ever seems to)...
There are 18 rounds next year...... 4 of which will be held in road-racing circuits (5 if you count Valkenswaard, but no one ever seems to)

Qatar is first, the new Thailand track might not even be at one, but I'll include for now, then there is Assen (which I went to last year and thoroughly enjoyed) and now this one.

4/18...... that's 22.2%

Go look up photos (i'm too lazy to post) of St Jean D'Angely, Matterley Basin, Loket, Talavera, Argentina, Teutschenthal, and Arco di Trento..... and let's not forget Glen Helen the following week. People so easily get the pitchforks out about stuff that they.... ahhh forget it. I'll finish now. Keep up the complaining and hopefully see some of you in Charlotte.
mccread wrote:
Don't bring the truth to some classic GL bashing. :laugh: So many traditional tracks still part of the series like Talavera, Maggiora, Arco, St, Jean, Loket...
Don't bring the truth to some classic GL bashing. Laughing

So many traditional tracks still part of the series like Talavera, Maggiora, Arco, St, Jean, Loket, Teutcschenthal, Lommel, Valkenswaard and Glen Helen.

Assen was a complete success I don't know why anyone would complain about it. And the reason GL is doing it in Charlotte is becuause US MX fans don't go to MXGP races in the USA at regular mx tracks, so bring it to the city and get some new fans....it's not a bad idea. Let's see if it works first before bashing.

A mix of traditional and new is fine, it's what makes the championship so diverse and the riders so versatile.
Do you ever get tired of pushing your agenda?

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ayearinmx wrote:
There are 18 rounds next year...... 4 of which will be held in road-racing circuits (5 if you count Valkenswaard, but no one ever seems to)...
There are 18 rounds next year...... 4 of which will be held in road-racing circuits (5 if you count Valkenswaard, but no one ever seems to)

Qatar is first, the new Thailand track might not even be at one, but I'll include for now, then there is Assen (which I went to last year and thoroughly enjoyed) and now this one.

4/18...... that's 22.2%

Go look up photos (i'm too lazy to post) of St Jean D'Angely, Matterley Basin, Loket, Talavera, Argentina, Teutschenthal, and Arco di Trento..... and let's not forget Glen Helen the following week. People so easily get the pitchforks out about stuff that they.... ahhh forget it. I'll finish now. Keep up the complaining and hopefully see some of you in Charlotte.
mccread wrote:
Don't bring the truth to some classic GL bashing. :laugh: So many traditional tracks still part of the series like Talavera, Maggiora, Arco, St, Jean, Loket...
Don't bring the truth to some classic GL bashing. Laughing

So many traditional tracks still part of the series like Talavera, Maggiora, Arco, St, Jean, Loket, Teutcschenthal, Lommel, Valkenswaard and Glen Helen.

Assen was a complete success I don't know why anyone would complain about it. And the reason GL is doing it in Charlotte is becuause US MX fans don't go to MXGP races in the USA at regular mx tracks, so bring it to the city and get some new fans....it's not a bad idea. Let's see if it works first before bashing.

A mix of traditional and new is fine, it's what makes the championship so diverse and the riders so versatile.
Do you ever get tired of pushing your agenda?

He doesn't. Luongo could murder someone and he'd find a way to spin it positive. That said I'm looking forward to this race.
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I absolutely agree on the "let us not make a full series of man built mx tracks", but variety is kind of cool if the track is well prepared.

Qatar, well, night race!
Thailand, tons of jumps, hot and humid as hell
Some beautiful new venues like Brazil or Argentina
Some historical sand races in Benelux
Some historical places like in Italy or Glen Helen
A couple stadiums

The 3 things I would like more is:
1. the historical tracks should be the ones with the most elevation changes, that is the roots of MX. (except the sand ones in Benelux)
2. more international riders. A japanese rider did better than usual last year, or Hsu is Thai I believe, if he gets top 5s he will have a full country behind him ! (and that is a country where they sell tons of 2 wheels). Then of course, a few Americans, the more stacked the better !
3. Somehow we need more riders... call me crazy but maybe it is time to have some rules about it, like a max number of staff at the event, limited space regarding motorhomes, a suspension & chassis production rule, and a limited number of engines per season. The teams would then transfer some money to have more riders on the grid, and the riders would get a better salary. I am not a big believer that million dollars motorhomes make the team faster or the riders life better. It would great if the privateers could still get a chance to crack some top 5 sometimes, it is a bit the "broken dreams" that would make good national riders coming back to this series.
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51xc wrote:
the assen gp was pretty epic. I don't see any problem. the riders loved it and it made for good racing. i know some of you...
the assen gp was pretty epic. I don't see any problem. the riders loved it and it made for good racing. i know some of you just want a bunch of 2 strokes blasting through sand. the sport is evolving, deal with it.
It was sand. That's why it worked. Gnarly track, not some cookie cutter pseudo SX thing like the other temporary circuits.
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1/21/2016 7:44am Edited Date/Time 1/21/2016 7:53am
dcg141 wrote:
Oddly enough Hare Scrambles are evolving into faster shorter courses that sometime resemble huge outdoor MX tracks. The off road purists are not happy with those...
Oddly enough Hare Scrambles are evolving into faster shorter courses that sometime resemble huge outdoor MX tracks. The off road purists are not happy with those turn of events. I'm helping put on a race this month and we have been asked by the series promoter to cut it back to 5 miles. Usually the course is twice that long. We have a new clearcut section that I'm trying to get bulldozed in time to have huge natural MX style section.
10000hrs wrote:
Isnt a "bull dozed natural section" an oxymoran?
Lol..you have me there...Its area of what was forest that's been clearcut..as such not ridable with so many fallen trees. I will bulldoze a wide trail but build no jumps. Whatever terrain is there will be the track. The bulldozer beats 3 weeks of working with chain saws.
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1/21/2016 8:52am
Don't know if it has been posted, but is this going to be a night race?? I know it's Friday and Saturday.
1/21/2016 9:10am
ChrisB10 wrote:
For my country hosting a GP and then forcing your motocross riders to ride on a giant supercross track. It's embarrassing honestly.
ahhhhhh its Chrisb310 ...............Laughing Laughing Laughing NEVERMIND
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1/21/2016 9:19am Edited Date/Time 1/22/2016 7:46pm
It's kinda funny...

I'm not concerned with GL's way of running things. I'm just annoyed at the lack of logic with some of the fans of this sport.

We started with someone thinking "We"...the U.S., had something to apologize for.
Joke or not...Uh, No!

This race is a GL run and Promoted race. It's built and managed his way. So, there in lies any complaint you have...call him.

Then there's this: this track ain't much different than the MMS National at Salt Lake City; yet, most Vitards had a mental-melt-down over that event.

Another thing, next time any of you want to compare our Nationals to the MXGPs, be sure to include what the riders get PAID: Namely, be sure to tell us about all the privateers competing to get their spot on the starting gate at those GPs. Please feel free to tell me what does or doesn't matter in these matters. I'll be willing to point out when you're jus' wrong. Especially when you fail to understand how much we love our...& your...privateers.
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1/21/2016 9:47am
There are "traditional" tracks willing to build their infrastructure to accommodate big-time races. There are also those facilities who can't/won't.

The ability to bring new facilities online that meet the infrastructure requirements is a tough hurdle.

Some of you look at the track and see Supercross. Maybe that's due to the grandstands on both sides. Beats me. But some of you also call the Monster Energy Cup Supercross, when there are clear differences.
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If the Charlotte Speedway owners are open to paying Luongo's extortion fees, then more power to them. Will the track be pure sand like the Germany round?

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