Another rider lost, and decision to hang it up

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6/5/2015 11:44am
As I'm getting older I've found I'm happy with just going to the tracks on practice days and not pushing as hard as I would if I were racing. I still do most all of the jumps but they are relatively easy. I ride just hard enough to have fun and have some adrenaline running but never feel really out of control. Of course a freak accident can always happen though, but I feel like I'm somewhat lessening the risk while still having a blast.
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6/5/2015 11:49am
You should take some time and think about everything.

You could ride trails and not tracks. Like peelout said, you can find some bitchin riding out in the hills.

I would ride trails and woods stuff in the winter, and get a mountain bike and ride trails any other time.

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6/5/2015 12:06pm
elementmx wrote:
We all know of tragedies at the track but usually only receive word of them from our computer screen hundreds of miles away. About an hour...
We all know of tragedies at the track but usually only receive word of them from our computer screen hundreds of miles away. About an hour after I left a local practice day yesterday I got a phone call from a good friend who was still at the track describing a horrific scene. A rider apparently endo'd over a medium-large size tabletop with an extension and succumbed to his injuries right at the track. Really, really sad and scary. I don't think its my place to share name or track details. May he rest in peace.


I'm also posting because this literally hit very close to home for me and I'm immediately struggling (again) with the decision to hang up my boots. I raced locally in the A class up until a few years ago, when a crash I consider myself lucky to have gotten out of with only a broken femur scared me away for about a year. I came back and rode last year, just got a new bike, and was ready to get after it and have some fun riding and racing again this year too. I truly love this sport and wouldn't trade the riding/racing memories I have for anything. And I'm a pretty good rider when I'm feelin it! Lol

At the same time, I'm 26, have a great family, amazing fiance, I'm back in school for engineering, and feel like I have bright future ahead of me. My circumstances combined with what happened yesterday really have me leaning towards walking away from moto while I still can.

A lot of dummies post here but I know there are some intelligent folks with a lot of life experience as well. I'd appreciate any advice you have to offer.

Thanks.




I hung it up at 26, a year into my PhD in Neuroscience. I still miss riding, but the consequences of big crashes are too great for me now. I was in a similar situation to you--no slouch, just riding for fun, had a brand new bike and was feeling it. However, as soon as I started thinking about being careful on the track, I could tell I was not riding as safely as I was when I was 100 percent focused on what was in front of me on the track instead. That's dangerous, and it's hard to go from being competitive to just cruising around safely. You are used to going a certain speed, and being at a certain level of fitness; once that goes away, it feels quite weird riding around at half pace and not being able to do the thing you used to be able to do. It's just not as fun. I lost interest because of those two things. Maybe you should too if you are feeling the same way.
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Turning 50 this year and on a plane to Unadilla right now. Hopefully I don't bugger up the borrowed Mugen...or myself. Love the sport, hate the sport.

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6/5/2015 12:22pm Edited Date/Time 6/5/2015 12:22pm
Like many have said it is a personal choice. I see guys riding up into the 60's and 70's and they just keep on going and going. Then I know people who have paid the ultimate price even at a young age. Who is to say this person or that person should continue or stop riding? Only you.


In your mind if something is telling you to stop ie. fear, wisdom, whatever?... and you don't, and then you get seriously hurt will you be mad at yourself for not listening to your instincts, or convictions or whatever that voice is? And will that injury seal the deal for you and you stop for ever with no regrets? Then it is probably time to hang it up.


Or if you do not have a serious conflict and your thoughts are, "Well I could quit riding today and fall off a curb and get run over by a car tomorrow". Then it is probably not time to quit riding yet.

Which one are you? That is the real question.
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6/5/2015 12:22pm
mxpro252 wrote:
My story is similar to yours all the way down to the local A level and broken femur. Sounds like the wreck did something similar to...
My story is similar to yours all the way down to the local A level and broken femur. Sounds like the wreck did something similar to you where you focused more on the rest of your life and began getting that in order, which is a wise move. I stopped racing after my accident, started other sports, graduated college and got a good job all while riding off and on for fun during the past 8 years. I’ve always known the risk I take whenever I ride, but I never quite had the thought of stopping entirely. I just stay in decent shape and ride within my limits by recognizing what’s not worth the risk and putting my ego or pride aside at times.

Luckily once you’ve gotten to a fairly high skill level, riding within your limits is still a pretty quick and fun pace. Yea I might get hurt riding, but it’s a major part of my identity and what I love. There’s risk in everything, just be smart.
Broken tibia and fibula, poopin blood, waking up with a bloody nose at the end of 2013. Took the next year off to finish my degree. Doubt I'll truly ever "hang up the boots".
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I have these same thoughts and then I rationalize by saying that people die in plane crashes but I still fly, people have heart attacks at the gym but I still go and people get hit by cars but I still ride my bicycle. Moto is no different. In fact, I bet if you had the stats for everything you do in life every day, the odds of dying riding a dirt bike are probably far less than other things you do every day. The difference is your perception. It's like guns. People think guns are this huge killer. One kid gets accidentally shot by his friend who found his dads gun and all of a sudden it's an epidemic. Guns don't even make the top 10 list of toddler/adolescent deaths. #'s 1 and 2 are vehicles and pools. Two things most kids get into every day but our perception makes them seem safer than they are.

The truth is that there is no clear answer that fits everyone, each person is different. What is different for me is that I worry about getting hurt right up until the 30 second board goes sideways and then all those thoughts leave my brain and I ride with focus and smiles. The day those thoughts leave the gate with me is the day I am done.
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6/5/2015 12:32pm
I haven't "raced" in nearly 10 years.
Still ride here and there, go to tons of local and Pro races and events and have a sweet gig in the industry.
Nobody ever gives me crap or questions my riding or racing.
When I actually do ride and don't hit any of the jumps, I rarely get crap, but if someone does, I easily blow it off.
I know I suck and I'm not trying to prove anything anymore.
Do what you feel is best.
6/5/2015 12:55pm Edited Date/Time 6/5/2015 1:05pm
In the end it's about being happy and some people want the sure thing. You can't kill yourself on a bike if you don't ride one. But you can still get killed by someone who runs a red light on your way to work. It's a tough choice with no real right answer.

Assess the risk. I do a lot more trail riding at 29 than I did at 18. I won't do a new jump if I second guess myself. I'll roll that fucker all day long. I'm not there to win practice, I just want to get a work out and work on my technique. I will also not jump anything that requires me to be hard on the gas in 4th or 5th gear on a 250 2 stroke. 3rd or below unless I'm just maintaining speed in 4th, keeping the RPM's down. Any jump that is bigger is not worth the risk of crashing or bailing for me. Through my experience, I don't get hurt if I have to ditch the bike mid air going that speed. The risk vs. reward is not enticing enough to go faster or jump farther.
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6/5/2015 1:31pm
You can still rude but for me I just don't feel comfortable racing against squids at this point in my life who cross jump
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6/5/2015 1:32pm
I figured I'd die on a bike at the track,always fine with that,loved it and it is what I did.

In 96 had my 1st daughter,in 2000 the 2nd daughter. That same year things came together to ride husqvarna again and i went at racing like never before.

I got a million dollar insurance policy that paid if I died racing,good for peace of mind pulling on the gate.

In fall of 01 shattered my ankle,got back on and made it to LLs just barely but had fun.

In December of 03 broke my c3 c4 and was paralyzed neck down for a few days,doctor said 99 percent die the other 1 percent wither away. Took about 3 months to get back to normal.

In 05 i started sneaking my 02 husky out to a local Saturday nite track under the guise of working on bikes and selling parts because the family was dead set agin racing or riding. It worked till a goon i was lapping collided over a big double with my leg going in his rear wheel as i tried to push him away. Ate it hard and about a week later the wife sees the bruising when I get out the shower. Kept racing though.

In 08 a new owner of the local honda shop set me up with a 450 for 10 cents to promote his shop. Back to the megaseries and racing all those rounds. Had one of the hardest licks i ever took at muddycreek when a rock wedged the rear brake lever on takeoff and I slammed ,knocked out and thought my pelvis was shattered along with ever organ in my gut.

C scan revealed all ok but I'd broken my lower back years and years earlier that I never knew ,just rode thru it apparently.

In 09 I shattered my tibia plateau and had dr. Homer simpson screw it together ruining my leg. Cant ride anymore but would if possible, possible at the lever I'm used to.

Racing,riding is dangerous but some aren't happy sitting on the couch watching others live,I'm not. I never felt more alive than when I had a chance at loosing my life.
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In the end it's about being happy and some people want the sure thing. You can't kill yourself on a bike if you don't ride one...
In the end it's about being happy and some people want the sure thing. You can't kill yourself on a bike if you don't ride one. But you can still get killed by someone who runs a red light on your way to work. It's a tough choice with no real right answer.

Assess the risk. I do a lot more trail riding at 29 than I did at 18. I won't do a new jump if I second guess myself. I'll roll that fucker all day long. I'm not there to win practice, I just want to get a work out and work on my technique. I will also not jump anything that requires me to be hard on the gas in 4th or 5th gear on a 250 2 stroke. 3rd or below unless I'm just maintaining speed in 4th, keeping the RPM's down. Any jump that is bigger is not worth the risk of crashing or bailing for me. Through my experience, I don't get hurt if I have to ditch the bike mid air going that speed. The risk vs. reward is not enticing enough to go faster or jump farther.
Well put. It's still dangerous but like you said you can reduce the risk by be more careful...
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6/5/2015 1:36pm
MXD wrote:
I have these same thoughts and then I rationalize by saying that people die in plane crashes but I still fly, people have heart attacks at...
I have these same thoughts and then I rationalize by saying that people die in plane crashes but I still fly, people have heart attacks at the gym but I still go and people get hit by cars but I still ride my bicycle. Moto is no different. In fact, I bet if you had the stats for everything you do in life every day, the odds of dying riding a dirt bike are probably far less than other things you do every day. The difference is your perception. It's like guns. People think guns are this huge killer. One kid gets accidentally shot by his friend who found his dads gun and all of a sudden it's an epidemic. Guns don't even make the top 10 list of toddler/adolescent deaths. #'s 1 and 2 are vehicles and pools. Two things most kids get into every day but our perception makes them seem safer than they are.

The truth is that there is no clear answer that fits everyone, each person is different. What is different for me is that I worry about getting hurt right up until the 30 second board goes sideways and then all those thoughts leave my brain and I ride with focus and smiles. The day those thoughts leave the gate with me is the day I am done.
My Brother died in a car accident at 16 years Old. The worst part of a tragic accident death is not being able to say "Good By" or "I Love You" but is it worth saying those things to a loved one if they are laying in a bed suffering to death? I bet more people die doing things which society consider to be "Safe".
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6/5/2015 1:37pm
hillbilly wrote:
I figured I'd die on a bike at the track,always fine with that,loved it and it is what I did. In 96 had my 1st daughter,in...
I figured I'd die on a bike at the track,always fine with that,loved it and it is what I did.

In 96 had my 1st daughter,in 2000 the 2nd daughter. That same year things came together to ride husqvarna again and i went at racing like never before.

I got a million dollar insurance policy that paid if I died racing,good for peace of mind pulling on the gate.

In fall of 01 shattered my ankle,got back on and made it to LLs just barely but had fun.

In December of 03 broke my c3 c4 and was paralyzed neck down for a few days,doctor said 99 percent die the other 1 percent wither away. Took about 3 months to get back to normal.

In 05 i started sneaking my 02 husky out to a local Saturday nite track under the guise of working on bikes and selling parts because the family was dead set agin racing or riding. It worked till a goon i was lapping collided over a big double with my leg going in his rear wheel as i tried to push him away. Ate it hard and about a week later the wife sees the bruising when I get out the shower. Kept racing though.

In 08 a new owner of the local honda shop set me up with a 450 for 10 cents to promote his shop. Back to the megaseries and racing all those rounds. Had one of the hardest licks i ever took at muddycreek when a rock wedged the rear brake lever on takeoff and I slammed ,knocked out and thought my pelvis was shattered along with ever organ in my gut.

C scan revealed all ok but I'd broken my lower back years and years earlier that I never knew ,just rode thru it apparently.

In 09 I shattered my tibia plateau and had dr. Homer simpson screw it together ruining my leg. Cant ride anymore but would if possible, possible at the lever I'm used to.

Racing,riding is dangerous but some aren't happy sitting on the couch watching others live,I'm not. I never felt more alive than when I had a chance at loosing my life.
Respect!
6/5/2015 1:51pm Edited Date/Time 6/5/2015 1:53pm
elementmx wrote:
We all know of tragedies at the track but usually only receive word of them from our computer screen hundreds of miles away. About an hour...
We all know of tragedies at the track but usually only receive word of them from our computer screen hundreds of miles away. About an hour after I left a local practice day yesterday I got a phone call from a good friend who was still at the track describing a horrific scene. A rider apparently endo'd over a medium-large size tabletop with an extension and succumbed to his injuries right at the track. Really, really sad and scary. I don't think its my place to share name or track details. May he rest in peace.


I'm also posting because this literally hit very close to home for me and I'm immediately struggling (again) with the decision to hang up my boots. I raced locally in the A class up until a few years ago, when a crash I consider myself lucky to have gotten out of with only a broken femur scared me away for about a year. I came back and rode last year, just got a new bike, and was ready to get after it and have some fun riding and racing again this year too. I truly love this sport and wouldn't trade the riding/racing memories I have for anything. And I'm a pretty good rider when I'm feelin it! Lol

At the same time, I'm 26, have a great family, amazing fiance, I'm back in school for engineering, and feel like I have bright future ahead of me. My circumstances combined with what happened yesterday really have me leaning towards walking away from moto while I still can.

A lot of dummies post here but I know there are some intelligent folks with a lot of life experience as well. I'd appreciate any advice you have to offer.

Thanks.




Struggle with the same thoughts daily.

I see death at work everyday. And agony families endure....it something I wish I had no experience with.


I get anxiety about injury and death. But that's probably because I'm getting older and realize I'm not invincible like I was at 19. The more you accomplish for yourself the more you realize what you can lose...

I still ride but if I get a tank slapper I shut it down. I have no shame in backing it off. And I get sick hearing about all the injuries. Two personal friends lives are changed forever. And another rider who wasn't a real good friend but were great people and helped me out one time is living life altered.

All in your personal choice. I just pray that I stay in one piece and on two wheels.
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idk if it helps but I'm 28, recently married to an amazing woman and used to race and push the envelop all the time...Since I've had my share of unfortunate events and long recovery periods from riding, I have come back to the sport with a new and fresh approach each time I throw my leg over the bike. Now I ensure that I'm well within my comfort zone whether that be with jumps, trails or simply speed and always make sure to pit stop if I'm getting too tired to hold on. This mindset shift has made more of a difference in my riding in the last two years than where I'm riding or what bike I'm riding. Just my two cents! I'm sure I'm not going to be accident free forever but definitely accident-less prone than before haha Mental Game Strong! Smile Goodluck with your decision man!
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I've seen 4 deaths now at the track & have read the countless stories. A buddy had small tip over, couldn't feel his legs, thankfully the doctors were able to return him to normal. But I found I was riding scared, I wasn't having fun being scared & started going less & less, my hand problems continued (and still continue even off the bike) finally just decided to sell it all. That was the best decision for me & it was made me by me. Wife supports me either way. I miss it, but I'm fine without it.

And to those that argue about you can die at work, you can die in a wreck; I can walk up & down the pits & it would be very hard to find 5 guys that have been in the hospital due to car wrecks out other injuries not involving dirt bikes. But I can find 5 guys to my left & 5 guys to my right without walking far that have all had serious injury due to riding dirt bikes. This is a pay to play sport & you just gotta decide how much you're willing to pay.
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ChrisB10 wrote:
You can still rude but for me I just don't feel comfortable racing against squids at this point in my life who cross jump
If you are racing against "squids...who cross jump"...move up a class, so you aren't racing squids anymore???? Unless you are a squid yourself-speed wise-but one who doesn't cross jump, then you'll have a point.
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If your gonna die, die with your boots on!
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RIP.

Too many opinions and biases. Terrible consequences, addictive urges. Good/bad with everything. No one has it all.
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You are going to know people , and moreover know OF people who buy the farm from time to time in various ways in the course of your life. Don't let that stop YOU from enjoying life. Fear and doubt can be debilitating if you let them
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That's a tough one. There are certainly some questions, like what caused the wreck, what kind of bike was he riding, etc? My brother was always faster than me, but wrecked all the time. We would start riding and then he would wreck and ruin the day. He just didn't pay attention and was just wreckless. My brother always had 250s. He had some bad wrecks and doesn't ride anymore. I had a few wrecks but nothing like him. Mine were more tame (Wind blew me over in the air, cased jumps, etc).

I always had fun riding trails, though. But I also had a time where I rode tracks a lot. Of course, my main bike was a 125 or and xr250. i had other bikes in between, but mainly a 125. The kind of bike and the power plays a role. Accidents will happen, but having a bike that you can handle is half the battle.
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6/5/2015 7:46pm Edited Date/Time 6/5/2015 7:47pm
Advice is useless, in this scenario. You understand the risks, you understand the joy that you get out of riding. The only person that can decide which is the better option, is you. Some people literally can't stop riding, others have an epiphany and decide it isn't worth the risk.

It's lame if you let anyone influence your decision.


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We lost a good buddy during a poker run, his brakes faded and he went off an embankment. Hit his chest on a stump and ripped his aorta out or something. We all kept riding, figured he'd have wanted it that way.

Live to ride, Ride to live

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hang it up, if you're second guessing yourself while on the track, that will leave you in an unfocused position and that does no one any good. Take a break, maybe in 10 years your kid will want to ride and that's à whole new deal. Don't sweat it.

Sorry about your buddy. RIP.
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6/5/2015 8:30pm
I am sorry to hear how much this has affected you, and may the young Moto brother ride in peace...

With that being said you may want to try an approach that I have adopted.

After loosing some of my best friends to this sport, and also having a stay at home wife and a daughter to provide for, I have certainly contemplated retirement many times.

It's easy to say "just don't go as fast" but that's easier said than done...we are racers whom go fast. It's in our DNA.

Over the last year and a half (since the day my daughter was born), I mainly stick to the vet/amateur tracks if one is available. There are usually far less people, safer obstacles, and less 16 Y.O kids jumping over your head and almost killing you....you can still hold it wide open, but your chance of an accident is reduced (in my opinion substantially). I can honestly say I don't know if I have enjoyed riding more than I have since I began to do so. Your not worried about hitting the huge jumps, your worried about keeping up your corner speed.

Yes I get grief from my buddies, but I could care less. I'm having fun, and am coming home to the family I provide for in one peace.

Best of luck to you bud.
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IMO if you're studying engineering you need to focus on that and complete the program. If it's an undergrad 26 isn't too late but not on track either, just saying. Once you have the education/career/life/finances all falling into place you can get back into riding. Determining priorities is the tough part...
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im in your age group and am contemplating just stopping altogether

corporate job = no time for anything except commuting it seems and to be honest, my health insurance is nothing to write home about considering it gets more expensive every year and being out of work would devastate me financially and hurt my career

its really not worth it, IMO but to each their own
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6/5/2015 9:38pm
mxpro252 wrote:
My story is similar to yours all the way down to the local A level and broken femur. Sounds like the wreck did something similar to...
My story is similar to yours all the way down to the local A level and broken femur. Sounds like the wreck did something similar to you where you focused more on the rest of your life and began getting that in order, which is a wise move. I stopped racing after my accident, started other sports, graduated college and got a good job all while riding off and on for fun during the past 8 years. I’ve always known the risk I take whenever I ride, but I never quite had the thought of stopping entirely. I just stay in decent shape and ride within my limits by recognizing what’s not worth the risk and putting my ego or pride aside at times.

Luckily once you’ve gotten to a fairly high skill level, riding within your limits is still a pretty quick and fun pace. Yea I might get hurt riding, but it’s a major part of my identity and what I love. There’s risk in everything, just be smart.
elementmx wrote:
Very similar indeed. I was finishing college right when I had my scary femur crash. It completely made me step back and focus on other aspects...
Very similar indeed. I was finishing college right when I had my scary femur crash. It completely made me step back and focus on other aspects of my life. I graduated college, got a good job, did new things just like you. Then moto came callling back and i got into it again for the past couple years. But aside from what happened yesterday, Im also sort of at another crossroads in life, settling down with a girl, going back to school, and I think that has a lot to do with it.

Lots of good points and feedback here, thank you everyone. If I continue on riding I think it will definitely be very mellow natural type tracks when i can find them, or some trails. Technical ruts and turns are my favorite thing to ride anyways.
There is always claverack it's as natural as they come , that track is so old school I even make the 6 hr trec at least once a year , I was you ten years ago fast A rider , shop ride broke my collarbone decided that's it , I was done with being in some sort off cast/ immobilizer every summer , that lasted a year in the mean time I got a real job was making great money so I decided to buy a 250 and race part time , I ended up fratrureing my pelvis due to my ego , I was riding a pace that I had not been putting the time in during the week to keep my skills spped and endurance up too and the track reached up and bit me in the ass, the way the sport is today at your skill level the consequences are much greater with the evolution off the bike ,the tracks being much faster and the jumps being a lot less forgiving . It took me 5 years to find something to replace it and I am sure you will find some thing too when the time is right .my .02 cents to you would be go trail ride or hit the practice tracks on the weekend and don't hang it all out if your not feeling it that day

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