If this actually goes somewhere, our sport is done.

Assuming the problem here is stating ahead of time you will be taking someone out for malicious reasons---This isnt the same as a "race incident" per say..

What if you had "beef" with someone you raced with and every single race they intentionally ran their bike into you--I think that becomes a big issue. Or if they lawn dart their bike into you in the pits..ok or not? Are you calling the cops? 

Race incident or intentionally trying to harm someone--different things. 

Be interesting where this goes..

Are we taking each other out in a turn, or are we cross jumping over a big jump - repeatedly on-purpose? Does that begin to cross the line? Yeah, setting the precedent that a take-out could land you in jail is not a good deal for the sport, but if you are out there to cause bodily harm, then maybe you should have the sense to sit out a few races and recollect your thoughts.

Where's the dude who was in the Myrtle threads that was a self confessed Saul Goodman (or was it his brother?), he's got the answers I bet.

If I was the promoter and caught wind of this, they'd both be blacklisted. What is their stance?

That page is a clown show. 

Barcia watching this 

🤐

This sport is dangerous enough without allowing contact... if it's for millions of dollars, i get it.. but working stiffs racing and gotta work at 7am Monday morning,  it's stupidity.... 

MXGRyan is a tool.

My opinion on this,  if it was during a race and happened organically for position. Or if  the other guy took Brandon out in another race, or  one of many other on track things , that's one thing. 

 But taking somebody out over something that happened off track , never mind stolen goggles is  pretty weak. One time  , yah maybe. But over and over just sounds like a great way to get booted from racing. But not something to go to the cops about.     

The guy that got taken out should have talked to the promoter and got Brandon suspended or some sort of penalty. I've seen the local race orgs around me deal with take outs and un sportsmen like conduct  in the past.   Onetime a well known local Pro was unhappy with a lapper and when he came off the track he said some very colorful things  , one of them that I can repeat on here was that he was "going to Fing kill him".  Nesc suspended him and that was the end of it. And that was how I saw multiple other instances handled when lines were crossed.  

 I do not agree with the way Brandon is handling what happened.  But I don't agree with getting the cops involved either. The take out should have been handled by the people running the races. At minimum a warning not to take  him  out again ,followed by suspension or not allow both riders to ride the same class if he took him out again. Whatever got Brandon riled up  its gonna cost him a hell of a lot more than any goggles I've seen.   

 I've had my share of getting taken out and taking people out, its crazy that anybody would have the thought of involving the police. It's always just been a part of the sport to me. Sometimes a takeout resulted in some words after a moto or retaliation in another moto.   A block pass or even a T bone in a lower speed corner  is one thing, cross jumping and higher speed stuff that could result in major injuries is another. But still not a police matter in my opinion. It would be a bad precedent to set, what next involve police in every crash? tracks would look like a crime scene with chalk outlines. 

Agreed, almost as gay as feeling the need to censor the word gay 😃

Ol' Brandon is too dumb not to know when to shut up. 

Brandon's last race?

Hang on so what's going on?

Brandon and Chris don't like each because some goggles got stolen? Whatever but ok. So Brandon takes him out on the track. Now Chris is sueing Brandon saying the motorbike is a lethal weapon?? Wasn't Chris also on a "lethal weapon"? 

Thats so stupid and yes it does set a very bad precedent for the sport. 

Over a woman...

That would make some sense.  I know I've made some dumb decisions when You start thinking  with the wrong head. 

Sounds like outside racing drama and they're bringing it onto the track. That's not how you handle things. This isn't just a racing incident. Its outside theft as the motive for retaliation.

Exactly.   I followed this thread in facebook.   Everybody needs to read Brandon's comments before taking sides.   Running into somebody for malicious reasons is worlds away from a racing incident.  

Speak of the devil.

Anybody know if the Plaintiff suffered actual physical injury or major $ damage to his bike? Any asshole can sue anybody they want in our Civil system. Of course just hiring an Attorney to defend you is a financial burden. Plaintiff has to prove actual damages to do any more damage than Lawyer fee's

heard any good Lawyer jokes lately?

Yep. Unnecessary over the top violence should be punished. I dont think its the end of the world for the sport. Remember Todd bertuzzi in the NHL? He got legally charged over something I consider less, in a sport that allows punchy face as part of the game.

It's not a civil case, it's a criminal case, injury does not need to occur, the intent to cause injury needs to be proven by the prosecution, intent is one of the most difficult things to prove in court, the defendant stated on social media it was deliberate and stating he will do it again, he's making the prosecution's case for them.

Weird situation, but I agree with the person who said that the promoter should ban anyone who makes it public that their intent is to crash another rider. 

I don’t like the idea of pressing charges, especially for a racing incident, but for an intentional act?  Where is the line?  What if the guy getting intentionally crashed into were to get seriously injured, even paralyzed?  Does the severity of the results of the crash change anyone’s feelings?  

Ultimately, this Brandon guy is bringing whatever happens onto himself. He’s allegedly a father of 4, but it sounds like he has the emotional intelligence of a child himself. 

What a time to be alive 

Brandon's first legal battle.

Kinda like these 2.

Exactly.  Seems to me this is far beyond just a racing incident.  Imagine if someone said they were gonna take you out every chance they got over a personal matter and then done it.  How much of that are you willing to take?

Another day, another Facebook drama.

I am so glad I deleted that s*it years ago

I can only imagine what would happen if these guys ran into each other at the grocery store.  Start rubbing and banging cart bars until one gets taken out in a produce section sweeper?  

A real Lawyer can chime in and correct me. But…with most sports implied consent of normal expected contact dictated by the rules. 

Actions that have no athletic purpose or violate rules specifically designed to protect safety can cross the line to criminal assault or civil tort.

Most precedent in these cases come from football and hits or contact after the play was dead or a player was not involved in the play.

There have recently been more cases involving racing or around racing. They involved assault clearly after an incident had already taken place, not during.

I think most of us would agree the Brandes v Holland fight in 97 was nothing worth pursuing.

From what I’ve seen, this is even less than that. If you can’t handle the heat on the track, have a conversation man to man. If you can handle that, find a new sport.

Pretty sure this is exactly how the legendary Hatfield vs McCoy fued started.