Where is the American Spirit?

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"the advantage of works bikes we used to have"1986 the production rule came into effect, so the US sent a team on production based bikes...

"the advantage of works bikes we used to have"

1986 the production rule came into effect, so the US sent a team on production based bikes and finished 1-2 in every moto, beating world champions on works bikes, are you talking about that advantage?

Nah, the GP guys get stuff we can't.

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10/11/2026 8:23am

I can only speak for myself, as an American fan, but I know others I talk to that feel the same. I'm over the FIM and their BS nonsense. It's total exploitation what they're doing with the MXON. And it truly is a shame. I realize the AMA isn't much better. But it's as simple as that for me and many others I talk with. So I don't blame riders or teams one bit for not attending. We need change on both sides of the pond.

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10/11/2026 9:17am Edited Date/Time 1 day ago
Spoonguy wrote:
America is the largest MX market in the world, with the most tracks, the most money, the largest national series, etc. on and on. And Belgium/Latvia...

America is the largest MX market in the world, with the most tracks, the most money, the largest national series, etc. on and on. And Belgium/Latvia beats us at MXoN. Laughable. Maybe Coombs running our amateur series isn't such a good idea? Euro riders learn to race in Europe and then race pro here seems a formula for success.

Belgium Netherlands Spain and Latvia federations funded their riders. Honda would’ve funded the Lawrences and Shimoda, but the Lawrences stated back in June that they needed...

Belgium Netherlands Spain and Latvia federations funded their riders. Honda would’ve funded the Lawrences and Shimoda, but the Lawrences stated back in June that they needed “rest” and wouldn’t be going. Not sure why Roczen and Shimoda bailed?

Where is all the outcry from Australians, Germans, and the Japanese? 

The funding the Belgian team got from the federation was close to one. Just enough to get the trucks full of gas to get all the equipment to France, but not enough to get them back home so to speak. And that's just to France, a neighboring country.

All the funding came from private sponsors. Some of them have been for years, others were new, which had to be found by the people working for the Belgian team. They were able to set a new standard this year. With a complete hospitality setup, a sponsor dinner on Saturday, hundreds of fans in team colors who could sign up for one of the 500 free T-shirts to create a bigger sense of coherence and a completely free afterparty for the fans. Every member working for the Belgian team is a volunteer - including teammanager Joël Roelants. A couple - Robert and Magda - have been doing this for 35 consecutive years, out of love for the sport and the team.

Now that's patriottism.

And imagine the French funding triples the Belgian one.

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10/11/2026 11:28am Edited Date/Time 10/11/2026 7:01pm
Moto Nomad wrote:
So, 45-year mx fan and racer here. In my humble opinion, the U.S. has lost the plot in terms of its ability to compete on the...

So, 45-year mx fan and racer here. In my humble opinion, the U.S. has lost the plot in terms of its ability to compete on the world stage.

RJ, Wardy, O Show, Emig, MC, even Lechien and many others would not come back from a 5th place at the MXON with anything less than an attitude of "what needs to change, now?" 

We lost to Latvia.

Even my favorite MX journalists like JT, Weege and Matthes seem okay with this. What happened? BTW, the GP crowd is coming here and taking all the glory.

The older racers grew up on gnarly tracks and were forced to adapt and excel in adversarial conditions. For example, RJ grew up at Carlsbad and could probably handle a shit Euro track with no sleep, bad food, or whatever. There is a story where RJ had to wake up Ward in the middle of the night before the race because Wardy was concussed. 

I think there are a bunch of softie BS excuses coming from the American moto contingent right now.

I get it. 

But, I’m between agreement and disagreement. 

To be fair, we pushed our bikes to the end of the block and went riding. For a lot of us, it was a “neighborhood kids” thing. Hell, I didn’t have my own bike until my teens (15) and I sure as hell felt the need to make up for lost time compared to my friends that had been on XR75s and some even scored MR50s! Those bastards! 🤣

In comparison to The New Kids…we had if different. VERY “different”.

Also, many of us did the Moto thing on our own or were the 1st Gen to do it in our families. Again, that’s different. 

The entire adventure aspect of riding seems different to us, too, from where I’m standing. Many of us grew up during the American Moto Pioneering Days or we’re its initial product…that’s me:

The Hodakas

Marty Smith, Danny LaPorte, Bob Hannah, Brad Lackey, Jim Pomeroy, Gary Bailey and the crew taking it to the Euros that owned the sport and had been constantly kicking our asses.

Honda Elsinores & Bob Hannah Yamaha Bicycles

Brad and Danny winning world championships and let’s not forget that 1st MXdN win

It was, it is, it will always be…

Different for us.

And I’m not gonna expect the younger dudes to see things the way I do.

In other words…

The Kids Are Alright 

It’ll come back around & in the mean-time, I’m stoked for Latvia…and The Return of Belgian Greatness…Herlings CRUSHING IT on a Honda…The Spanish letting the world know that they know how to Moto…and our boys still puttin’ in the work with Webb saying,”Adios!” to The Outdoors like a Bad Ass.

Note: The French had a rough day…but…damn…they’re FAST.

MXON is still…just…

Awesome. 

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10/11/2026 11:50am
sandman768 wrote:

New bike sales, tracks and riders are booming the Northeast….upstate NY of all places! 

No kidding? Upstate NY?


That’s great news. 

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10/11/2026 12:12pm

No need to dis Latvia. Seriously, what do you actually know about Latvia?

I have nothing against Latvia. It's just that a country with 350 million people and the best racers in the world should probably be able to easily beat a country with 2 million people and a motocross community that is a tiny fraction of what is in the U.S. Have there been any prominent moto riders from Latvia? I haven't heard of any. 

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10/11/2026 12:48pm

USA struggle at MXON because they are national riders. Not international.

Supercross lures them in with the big bucks, but Herlings seems to have do ok financially without it, so maybe there is other ways to get by.

Maybe USA needs to pick a team a bit earlier, go across the pond & line up at few euro GP’s, get some experience before the big day. 
 

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10/11/2026 1:03pm

No need to dis Latvia. Seriously, what do you actually know about Latvia?

Moto Nomad wrote:
I have nothing against Latvia. It's just that a country with 350 million people and the best racers in the world should probably be able to...

I have nothing against Latvia. It's just that a country with 350 million people and the best racers in the world should probably be able to easily beat a country with 2 million people and a motocross community that is a tiny fraction of what is in the U.S. Have there been any prominent moto riders from Latvia? I haven't heard of any. 

You should consider that the 350 million Americans are largely anti-motorcycle and most are definitely not interested in dirt biking. Belgium only has about 12 million people… we have cities bigger than that… but they have been a dominant force in MX for decades. It has nothing to do with a country’s size or borders and everything to do with the culture.

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10/11/2026 1:16pm
ksithumper wrote:

Even Mitch is whining now, apparently it's all because the US can't use race fuel.

BS. Just need more fight in your dogs.

 

Apparently GB has not had that fight in their dogs since 1994. 

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10/11/2026 1:46pm Edited Date/Time 10/11/2026 1:47pm

This thread is just another example of why I couldn't care less if we go to nations or not. Just a ton of bickering and shit talking. 

FIM does fuck all for US moto. Let them come to the US in 2028 and then don't even show up and let them have a GP. That's all it is anyhow. A GP. 

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10/11/2026 1:49pm Edited Date/Time 10/11/2026 1:51pm
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Reading through all these post….some valid points….sadly the USA does not have any riders  that specialize in outdoors any longer….everything is SX now…or you don’t hold...

Reading through all these post….some valid points….sadly the USA does not have any riders  that specialize in outdoors any longer….everything is SX now…or you don’t hold onto your ride very long….appears the US riders just try to survive the outdoors then back to SX ….its a shame, as outdoor Mx is the foundation of our sport…so this race is basically another GP with 3 Americans jumping in…. ….maybe now that the world SX has folded, the monster super duper Sx clown show can go away and give these guys some down time…maybe even time to prep for the MXON….? And RC can take some more english classes at billy goat community college….

“…so this race is basically another GP with 3 Americans jumping in…”

Mitch said this as well; unfortunately this displays a very American centric perspective and does a great disservice to Australia, Canada, Brazil, South Africa, Japan, New Zealand.

As for the SX disadvantage; hasn’t seemed to be a problem for Jett, Hunter, Roczen and others in previous years, or Vialle and Prado for that matter, in recent years.

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Moto Nomad wrote:
So, 45-year mx fan and racer here. In my humble opinion, the U.S. has lost the plot in terms of its ability to compete on the...

So, 45-year mx fan and racer here. In my humble opinion, the U.S. has lost the plot in terms of its ability to compete on the world stage.

RJ, Wardy, O Show, Emig, MC, even Lechien and many others would not come back from a 5th place at the MXON with anything less than an attitude of "what needs to change, now?" 

We lost to Latvia.

Even my favorite MX journalists like JT, Weege and Matthes seem okay with this. What happened? BTW, the GP crowd is coming here and taking all the glory.

The older racers grew up on gnarly tracks and were forced to adapt and excel in adversarial conditions. For example, RJ grew up at Carlsbad and could probably handle a shit Euro track with no sleep, bad food, or whatever. There is a story where RJ had to wake up Ward in the middle of the night before the race because Wardy was concussed. 

I think there are a bunch of softie BS excuses coming from the American moto contingent right now.

Brent wrote:
Bike sales have dropped dramatically from back in the 80s to now, so Manufacturers don't have the money they used to.Just riding a dirt bike nowadays...

Bike sales have dropped dramatically from back in the 80s to now, so Manufacturers don't have the money they used to.

Just riding a dirt bike nowadays is an expensive hobby.

Moto tracks started disappearing in America for several reasons.    Kids found video games as opposed to outdoor activities.

In Europe, the moto culture is still thriving with tons of kids on 65's 85's and 125 at any practice day you go to because they prioritize safer tracks and don't worry about Supercross or raising their kid to be a professional racer, they just enjoy riding.

Funny how Belgium , who won in Ernee have lost virtually all their Motocross tracks in recent years due to political pressure from Green party policy.

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Moto Nomad wrote:
So, 45-year mx fan and racer here. In my humble opinion, the U.S. has lost the plot in terms of its ability to compete on the...

So, 45-year mx fan and racer here. In my humble opinion, the U.S. has lost the plot in terms of its ability to compete on the world stage.

RJ, Wardy, O Show, Emig, MC, even Lechien and many others would not come back from a 5th place at the MXON with anything less than an attitude of "what needs to change, now?" 

We lost to Latvia.

Even my favorite MX journalists like JT, Weege and Matthes seem okay with this. What happened? BTW, the GP crowd is coming here and taking all the glory.

The older racers grew up on gnarly tracks and were forced to adapt and excel in adversarial conditions. For example, RJ grew up at Carlsbad and could probably handle a shit Euro track with no sleep, bad food, or whatever. There is a story where RJ had to wake up Ward in the middle of the night before the race because Wardy was concussed. 

I think there are a bunch of softie BS excuses coming from the American moto contingent right now.

Brent wrote:
Bike sales have dropped dramatically from back in the 80s to now, so Manufacturers don't have the money they used to.Just riding a dirt bike nowadays...

Bike sales have dropped dramatically from back in the 80s to now, so Manufacturers don't have the money they used to.

Just riding a dirt bike nowadays is an expensive hobby.

Moto tracks started disappearing in America for several reasons.    Kids found video games as opposed to outdoor activities.

In Europe, the moto culture is still thriving with tons of kids on 65's 85's and 125 at any practice day you go to because they prioritize safer tracks and don't worry about Supercross or raising their kid to be a professional racer, they just enjoy riding.

robkinuk wrote:

Funny how Belgium , who won in Ernee have lost virtually all their Motocross tracks in recent years due to political pressure from Green party policy.

To be fair, losing most of the tracks inside the country isn’t as dramatic as it could be. A Belgian could still be closer to a viable MX track than many Americans are. Belgium is less than 5% the size of Texas. Ernée is a LOT closer to Brussels than Houston TX is to Lubbock TX. 

Not saying that the tracks closing are completely irrelevant, but it’s not like there are zero options available either. 

The MXdN is somewhat of a crapshoot. A country’s population doesn’t matter as much the smaller the team is. It certainly doesn’t hurt to have a larger pool of participants, but if you only need 3 to make a team, it mitigates it quite a bit. 

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10/11/2026 2:47pm
ksithumper wrote:

Even Mitch is whining now, apparently it's all because the US can't use race fuel.

BS. Just need more fight in your dogs.

 

The Moth wrote:

Apparently GB has not had that fight in their dogs since 1994. 

Well, our best current 450 rider didn't want to come out to play either, so we have that in common. 

My point isn't actually about the performance of the riders individually on the day - rather the culture that has seemingly developed in the US, among some fans at least, of making excuses. "Wrong fuel/ not enough time on the bikes/never rode a 250 before/Forato knocked me off/we don't ride tracks like this/we never get good gate picks/ this race is irrelevant and we shouldn't go" etc etc etc It's totally the wrong mindset. Seewer rode a 250 for the first time in years, ditto Coldenhoff. Everts rode a 450 that was initially unmanageable and had to detune it every ride. None of them had much testing. They relished, and positively attacked, the challenge - and their fans recognise that.

Webb was class and showed great leadership, he did pretty much as well as could be expected. You need more Webbs, more Tomacs, who dig deep and never, ever give up even in the last seconds. Check out Herlings or Febvre. Absolute pride and self belief - WANTING it. Thats how you win. (And yeah, you need luck too, most years).

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10/11/2026 3:11pm

The factories funded the riders during the middle to late 80s. Now they don’t.

Pretty good back and forth between Reed and RV on this: 

So does RV have any success on a 250 starting against 450s? Ever? 😏

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10/11/2026 3:57pm
"the advantage of works bikes we used to have"1986 the production rule came into effect, so the US sent a team on production based bikes...

"the advantage of works bikes we used to have"

1986 the production rule came into effect, so the US sent a team on production based bikes and finished 1-2 in every moto, beating world champions on works bikes, are you talking about that advantage?

OldTech wrote:

Nah, the GP guys get stuff we can't.

In 1986 Johnny O'Mara rode a production based CR125 and beat all the GP guys, including all the works 500s, the "stuff" GP guys get doesn't matter, the rider makes the difference.

This is something the industry does not want to publicize, it would harm new bike and aftermarket part sales. 

If "stuff" mattered, how could Ken Roczen win the 2026 Supercross Championship on a Suzuki?

Why this title is bigger than any other for Ken Roczen

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"the advantage of works bikes we used to have"1986 the production rule came into effect, so the US sent a team on production based bikes...

"the advantage of works bikes we used to have"

1986 the production rule came into effect, so the US sent a team on production based bikes and finished 1-2 in every moto, beating world champions on works bikes, are you talking about that advantage?

OldTech wrote:

Nah, the GP guys get stuff we can't.

In 1986 Johnny O'Mara rode a production based CR125 and beat all the GP guys, including all the works 500s, the "stuff" GP guys get doesn't...

In 1986 Johnny O'Mara rode a production based CR125 and beat all the GP guys, including all the works 500s, the "stuff" GP guys get doesn't matter, the rider makes the difference.

This is something the industry does not want to publicize, it would harm new bike and aftermarket part sales. 

If "stuff" mattered, how could Ken Roczen win the 2026 Supercross Championship on a Suzuki?

Why this title is bigger than any other for Ken Roczen

Have you told Jorge Prado about your theory? 

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You know the best way to develop a good racer? Have them race often, against people that are close to their same pace. They will all get faster from trying to beat one another.

Now take a look at the US system. There's no transition between an anemic amateur scene and the highest level in the world nationals. 

 

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OldTech wrote:

Nah, the GP guys get stuff we can't.

In 1986 Johnny O'Mara rode a production based CR125 and beat all the GP guys, including all the works 500s, the "stuff" GP guys get doesn't...

In 1986 Johnny O'Mara rode a production based CR125 and beat all the GP guys, including all the works 500s, the "stuff" GP guys get doesn't matter, the rider makes the difference.

This is something the industry does not want to publicize, it would harm new bike and aftermarket part sales. 

If "stuff" mattered, how could Ken Roczen win the 2026 Supercross Championship on a Suzuki?

Why this title is bigger than any other for Ken Roczen

APLMAN99 wrote:

Have you told Jorge Prado about your theory? 

Was it the bike or was it the people at Kawasaki he didn't gel with?

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In 1986 Johnny O'Mara rode a production based CR125 and beat all the GP guys, including all the works 500s, the "stuff" GP guys get doesn't...

In 1986 Johnny O'Mara rode a production based CR125 and beat all the GP guys, including all the works 500s, the "stuff" GP guys get doesn't matter, the rider makes the difference.

This is something the industry does not want to publicize, it would harm new bike and aftermarket part sales. 

If "stuff" mattered, how could Ken Roczen win the 2026 Supercross Championship on a Suzuki?

Why this title is bigger than any other for Ken Roczen

APLMAN99 wrote:

Have you told Jorge Prado about your theory? 

Was it the bike or was it the people at Kawasaki he didn't gel with?

Wasn’t the biggest claim that he couldn’t win, or even be safe, on the bike?  If it was simply the people, that makes intentionally trying to not qualify quite a bit worse, doesn’t it?  

O’mara didn’t win because ‘stuff’ doesn’t matter. He won in spite of the ‘stuff’ he had. If he’d have had a 250 he probably would have passed into second much quicker! 

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10/11/2026 4:56pm
APLMAN99 wrote:

Have you told Jorge Prado about your theory? 

Was it the bike or was it the people at Kawasaki he didn't gel with?

APLMAN99 wrote:
Wasn’t the biggest claim that he couldn’t win, or even be safe, on the bike?  If it was simply the people, that makes intentionally trying to...

Wasn’t the biggest claim that he couldn’t win, or even be safe, on the bike?  If it was simply the people, that makes intentionally trying to not qualify quite a bit worse, doesn’t it?  

O’mara didn’t win because ‘stuff’ doesn’t matter. He won in spite of the ‘stuff’ he had. If he’d have had a 250 he probably would have passed into second much quicker! 

He did say he never felt comfortable on the bike...

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Kawasaki has a reputation for not being unwilling to set the bike up to their riders liking, that's a people issue, not a bike issue.

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This country has taught its people to hate America, America is racist, sexist, evil etcWe’ve talk black to hate white, woman to hate man, old to...

This country has taught its people to hate America, America is racist, sexist, evil etc

We’ve talk black to hate white, woman to hate man, old to hate young and more and vice versa.


And then surprised when young men don’t have endless national pride.


We’ve taught them their culture sucks and foreign cultures are pure and their own is a virus etc etc.

 

Division = Control. If we were genuinely united, the money men behind the curtains would have their hands tied.

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America doesn't have the riders anymore to win, and the top guys that are left don't want to invest the time and money to go race in Europe and lose. This isn't just riders spending more time on Supercross, foreign riders are dominating there too. Give it a generation and some American kids can come up and you will probably be on top again.

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APLMAN99 wrote:

Have you told Jorge Prado about your theory? 

Jorge’s a cat.

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Was it the bike or was it the people at Kawasaki he didn't gel with?

APLMAN99 wrote:
Wasn’t the biggest claim that he couldn’t win, or even be safe, on the bike?  If it was simply the people, that makes intentionally trying to...

Wasn’t the biggest claim that he couldn’t win, or even be safe, on the bike?  If it was simply the people, that makes intentionally trying to not qualify quite a bit worse, doesn’t it?  

O’mara didn’t win because ‘stuff’ doesn’t matter. He won in spite of the ‘stuff’ he had. If he’d have had a 250 he probably would have passed into second much quicker! 

He did say he never felt comfortable on the bike...Kawasaki has a reputation for not being unwilling to set the bike up to their riders liking...

He did say he never felt comfortable on the bike...

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Kawasaki has a reputation for not being unwilling to set the bike up to their riders liking, that's a people issue, not a bike issue.

Wait, why would being ‘comfortable’ on the bike even be an issue?  I thought that the ‘stuff’ didn’t matter? 

😎

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10/11/2026 5:54pm Edited Date/Time 10/11/2026 5:54pm
ksithumper wrote:

Even Mitch is whining now, apparently it's all because the US can't use race fuel.

BS. Just need more fight in your dogs.

 

The Moth wrote:

Apparently GB has not had that fight in their dogs since 1994. 

ksithumper wrote:
Well, our best current 450 rider didn't want to come out to play either, so we have that in common. My point isn't actually about the performance...

Well, our best current 450 rider didn't want to come out to play either, so we have that in common. 

My point isn't actually about the performance of the riders individually on the day - rather the culture that has seemingly developed in the US, among some fans at least, of making excuses. "Wrong fuel/ not enough time on the bikes/never rode a 250 before/Forato knocked me off/we don't ride tracks like this/we never get good gate picks/ this race is irrelevant and we shouldn't go" etc etc etc It's totally the wrong mindset. Seewer rode a 250 for the first time in years, ditto Coldenhoff. Everts rode a 450 that was initially unmanageable and had to detune it every ride. None of them had much testing. They relished, and positively attacked, the challenge - and their fans recognise that.

Webb was class and showed great leadership, he did pretty much as well as could be expected. You need more Webbs, more Tomacs, who dig deep and never, ever give up even in the last seconds. Check out Herlings or Febvre. Absolute pride and self belief - WANTING it. Thats how you win. (And yeah, you need luck too, most years).

Hannah raced an RM125 in 1987 MXdN, five years since he last raced one in a series. He didn't complain or make excuses. 

I hear so much whining and gnashing of teeth over on this side of the pond, and I don't think that culture is changing anytime soon. We've a lot of work to do and as long as we have private tracks and the cult of personality at the helm, nothing will change anytime soon. 

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APLMAN99 wrote:
Wasn’t the biggest claim that he couldn’t win, or even be safe, on the bike?  If it was simply the people, that makes intentionally trying to...

Wasn’t the biggest claim that he couldn’t win, or even be safe, on the bike?  If it was simply the people, that makes intentionally trying to not qualify quite a bit worse, doesn’t it?  

O’mara didn’t win because ‘stuff’ doesn’t matter. He won in spite of the ‘stuff’ he had. If he’d have had a 250 he probably would have passed into second much quicker! 

He did say he never felt comfortable on the bike...Kawasaki has a reputation for not being unwilling to set the bike up to their riders liking...

He did say he never felt comfortable on the bike...

image 3927

Kawasaki has a reputation for not being unwilling to set the bike up to their riders liking, that's a people issue, not a bike issue.

APLMAN99 wrote:

Wait, why would being ‘comfortable’ on the bike even be an issue?  I thought that the ‘stuff’ didn’t matter? 

😎

Setup matters, exotic factory equipment (stuff) doesn't make the difference, the rider does.

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The Moth wrote:

Apparently GB has not had that fight in their dogs since 1994. 

ksithumper wrote:
Well, our best current 450 rider didn't want to come out to play either, so we have that in common. My point isn't actually about the performance...

Well, our best current 450 rider didn't want to come out to play either, so we have that in common. 

My point isn't actually about the performance of the riders individually on the day - rather the culture that has seemingly developed in the US, among some fans at least, of making excuses. "Wrong fuel/ not enough time on the bikes/never rode a 250 before/Forato knocked me off/we don't ride tracks like this/we never get good gate picks/ this race is irrelevant and we shouldn't go" etc etc etc It's totally the wrong mindset. Seewer rode a 250 for the first time in years, ditto Coldenhoff. Everts rode a 450 that was initially unmanageable and had to detune it every ride. None of them had much testing. They relished, and positively attacked, the challenge - and their fans recognise that.

Webb was class and showed great leadership, he did pretty much as well as could be expected. You need more Webbs, more Tomacs, who dig deep and never, ever give up even in the last seconds. Check out Herlings or Febvre. Absolute pride and self belief - WANTING it. Thats how you win. (And yeah, you need luck too, most years).

Hannah raced an RM125 in 1987 MXdN, five years since he last raced one in a series. He didn't complain or make excuses. I hear so much...

Hannah raced an RM125 in 1987 MXdN, five years since he last raced one in a series. He didn't complain or make excuses. 

I hear so much whining and gnashing of teeth over on this side of the pond, and I don't think that culture is changing anytime soon. We've a lot of work to do and as long as we have private tracks and the cult of personality at the helm, nothing will change anytime soon. 

that bike he rode was extremely trick.....it wasn't a stocker by any means....

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No need to dis Latvia. Seriously, what do you actually know about Latvia?

Moto Nomad wrote:
I have nothing against Latvia. It's just that a country with 350 million people and the best racers in the world should probably be able to...

I have nothing against Latvia. It's just that a country with 350 million people and the best racers in the world should probably be able to easily beat a country with 2 million people and a motocross community that is a tiny fraction of what is in the U.S. Have there been any prominent moto riders from Latvia? I haven't heard of any. 

You should consider that the 350 million Americans are largely anti-motorcycle and most are definitely not interested in dirt biking. Belgium only has about 12 million...

You should consider that the 350 million Americans are largely anti-motorcycle and most are definitely not interested in dirt biking. Belgium only has about 12 million people… we have cities bigger than that… but they have been a dominant force in MX for decades. It has nothing to do with a country’s size or borders and everything to do with the culture.

Odds are a country of 350 million can have 3 people better at anything chosen than a country of 12 million does. It just makes mathematical sense, even take out total population, how many mx bikes are in Latvia vs. USA, how many mx bike dealers, how many tracks, the odds are stacked against any European country competing against the USA. Herlings even stated USA riders are paid more.

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Moto Nomad wrote:
I have nothing against Latvia. It's just that a country with 350 million people and the best racers in the world should probably be able to...

I have nothing against Latvia. It's just that a country with 350 million people and the best racers in the world should probably be able to easily beat a country with 2 million people and a motocross community that is a tiny fraction of what is in the U.S. Have there been any prominent moto riders from Latvia? I haven't heard of any. 

You should consider that the 350 million Americans are largely anti-motorcycle and most are definitely not interested in dirt biking. Belgium only has about 12 million...

You should consider that the 350 million Americans are largely anti-motorcycle and most are definitely not interested in dirt biking. Belgium only has about 12 million people… we have cities bigger than that… but they have been a dominant force in MX for decades. It has nothing to do with a country’s size or borders and everything to do with the culture.

Spoonguy wrote:
Odds are a country of 350 million can have 3 people better at anything chosen than a country of 12 million does. It just makes mathematical...

Odds are a country of 350 million can have 3 people better at anything chosen than a country of 12 million does. It just makes mathematical sense, even take out total population, how many mx bikes are in Latvia vs. USA, how many mx bike dealers, how many tracks, the odds are stacked against any European country competing against the USA. Herlings even stated USA riders are paid more.

I disagree. Those odds only work if all else is equal, and it clearly isn’t. You can’t just gloss over advantages and disadvantages because numbers.

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