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What happened at pala? Yea deegs is faster but not to the level you think
Prado is a solid 4-5 guy with podium potential if someone has a bad day. The problem is his ego is a winner. So when he isn’t in contention for the lead he falls apart. I know that Supercross isn’t his area of expertise but we saw it all year long there. If he was hunt for the lead he was going fast. As soon as someone passes him that he doesn’t think should be passing him…he drops anchor.
I fully expect him to ride as well as he has this year until midway through the outdoor season then he will start mailing it again. I don’t think we get “not trying to qualify” level of give up but instead just cruising for 10-12.
I agree with this - he’s realistically a 4th - 5th place guy for the most part. You could make a case that he’s more a 3rd place guy but Deegan is improving so unless Prado shows us something I doubt that many people will be disagreeing that the Lawrences and Deegan are the top 3 and Prado slots in behind them.
What you say about his ego is probably right too. He may not be able to accept the reality that there are guys who have him covered even on his best day and that could mess with him mentally, which could set him back into the next tier (top 10 with the occasional top 5). I hope that’s not what happens. I’d rather be watching him challenge for podiums. It’s a lot of fun to see him racing with Deegan, with their contrasting styles.
I’ve followed GPs, for a few years and Jorge is incredibly talented but I’ve also watched him for 2 years here and I’ve never seen his ceiling high enough to beat Hunter or Jett. Do you have videos of standout rides you can share in the thread here that show that speed from him? Genuinely would like to see
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I'd say this one here was probably one of the best rides I've seen from him. I do think his ceiling is good enough to win races vs the current Lawrences but even the best version of Prado doesn't beat them in a championship I think. Talent and skill wise he should be up there with Deegan and battle for third at least every weekend though.
The thing with Prado is.. I think he is very mentally driven and everything has to be aligned for him. When he knows he isn't battling for wins it seems like he sometimes just rides around, like he has zero confidence that weekend compared to like Haiden for example who charges forward no matter what. He did this in his early MXGP 450 years and in SX aswell.
In his 2018/2019 Mx2 he was so good (almost perfect season in 2019) that everyone expected him to immediately battle for the title when he moved up and he wasn't bad in his rookie year. But pretty much like what we have seen in SX for example. When he was on he had winning speed and could win on any day but on the other weekend he could ride around in 10-15th and nobody knew what was going on. Than he got Covid, had to retire from the season and he really wasn't the same for over a year.
2021 and 2022 were pretty much the same tho. Holeshots, winning speed on some weekends, way outside the top 5th a week later.
In 2023 and 2024 everything clicked. A holeshot was pretty much a moto win from him and he was gone after the first 2-3 turns. 2024 it also didn't matter where he started, he had so much more speed than anyone that he just blew by people most races. Specially 2024 is why everyone had high hopes for Prado actually being a challenge for Jett, he basically looked like Lucas does now.
I sometimes ask myself if he regrets his decision to move to the US (obviously he regrets signing with Kawasaki, no doubt about that), specially now with Lucas also coming over. In 2024 he had all the confidence in the world and definitely thought (and said) he could beat Jett. Now we basically have two Jetts out there with Hunter getting even better. and now Lucas and Deegan aswell? I wouldn't be surprised if we see more SX than MX wins from Prado in the future though.
I thought his post-race interview was very straightforward. He said he needs to improve his pace and ultimately confidence.
He is now dealing with what all US nationals riders do and that is riding SX for 7-8 months out of the year and still trying to be as good in MX. I think his move East will help his MX race prep. Not sure he’ll challenge the top 3 with regularity, but on occasion would not surprise me.
I would agree but I feel like we all saw this coming and then the Kawi took him out with injury. I should have said for the guys still racing.
I will say this for Prado which is why I feel like this year is has been such a letdown was his 24 MXGP championship was as impressive as it gets. In 23 there was plenty of Gajser wasn’t there and Herlings got hurt. But his 2024 MXGP title has one of the most impressive top 3 of any championship ever.
1.Prado
2. Gajser
3. Herlings
The guys that finished 2nd and 3rd are all time riders and he beat them over a long series. I understand his playbook of get the start and run away. He was very good at that. Perhaps if you swapped his starts with Gajsers the season would have been different but that’s all ifs and buts.
For some reason, it’s easy for some to forget Jorge finished 6th overall in Pro MX last year, despite the so-called “quitting.” I fully expect him to improve on that this year, maybe as high as 3rd overall, but 4th-5th, right now, seems more likely. And I think that would be a great result for him. He’ll definitely be the top KTM racer.
I think last year set him back both speed wise and mentally, and he’s having to build again. Simple as that.
I never really thought about it like that until your comment, and I 100% agree with you.
When you're talking about mental toughness that lasts 1-5%, it must be hard to find and retain, let alone being more or less alone in a foreign country. I also think you US guys realise how hard it is to be away from home, friends, family food etc. Especially when things aren't goign quite right, let alone the shambles that was last year. When your talking mental toughness that last 1-5% must be hard to find and retain, let alone beign more or less alone in a foriegn country.
that would make Deeg's Dangerboyz happy....
Fair enough. Last year he won 7 tho
With no other riders there, I would be taking the wins and be a hero… so what’s your point?
Eh, I feel like your judgement of the 2024 season is a little cloudy. Yes, Jorge had some rides that were far better than what he's shown in 2023 (like Sweden and that first Spanish round). But it wasn't like "he had so much more speed" than Jeffrey and Tim. Tim was actually really close on winning the title in 2024, if not for his footpeg breaking off at the penultimate round. Jorge made 19 points on Tim that weekend, yet won the title with 10 points over. You could argue Tim could've won the title if not for that freak accident with only 4 motos to go. Tim also had the red plate still at that point.
First it was, staying healthy through SX to get going in the Nat’s…
Now it seems to be, staying healthy through the Nat’s to get going in SX…
I love how nobody believes Prado. He tells you what it is, and then we all go speculating. He told you what it was last year and I’ll be damned if it wasn’t the truth. And he’s telling you what it is this year.
Pit Row
I wanna believe him and I do think he'll get better. This is FAR from 2024 Prado.
But I'm still puzzled about things like dropping 4 seconds a lap after Deegan passed him for multiple laps.
George hasn't shown me anything! Marchbanks might make him another victim very soon! Only 2.5 seconds after 35 minutes! I know its the Bike! LOL
I think he's frustrated/disheartened that he can't hang with the Lawrence bro's but probably sees himself as the next best guy, so whenever anyone else passes him the negativity gets in his head and he loses focus.
He's an incredibly gifted rider technically and you achieve what he has done without being exceptional, but I don't think he's ever really had the grit or balls-out style to win Outdoor championships in America.
Prado also had mechanical issues in 2024 they were just earlier in the season. His seat fell off in one race.
Fitness. Even though he’s older, Prado lacks the “man strength” necessary to go 30 +2 WFO like Deegan can. Deegan is still lacking the skills to match the Lawrences’ pace for a whole moto, but I’d argue there might not be anyone in the field (except maybe Chase) that is stronger and fitter than 38. If Prado was strong enough to run 100% for an entire moto, I don’t think Deegan would get close to him yet. 38 is still refining his technique to reach his potential on 450s. This is coming from someone who is not a fan of Deegan the character, but it’s hard not to be a fan of Deegan the racer.
I agree with you on this.
That´s key, he needs to takes risks, get to the box a couple times and then have a sexton style slam and stay in the couch. Figure it out and comeback stronger. It took 5 seasons to Greg Albertyn to win the championship riding that way, he would not have win otherwise
Albertyns superman seat grab to lazyboy no-hander lander through the rhythm lane in Orlando is still one of the best SX crashes ever.
He lost his seat in a qualifying race. He scored 0 points in one moto because of a start crash and decided to call it a day. No mechanicals that season other than a piss poor performance in the mud.
At pala jet and deegan had terrible starts. only reason he got 2nd,
"Break him"
Hahahahaha, What an idiot... Dude is barely breaking wind.
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